Apparently Aspies are sociopaths and narcissistic lmao

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Yeah, and at the end of the day we're handled with a mix of "care" and "caution".

Like Adam Lanza and other "Autistic" shooters. A kid shoots up his school and the commentators keep saying things like, "he was a social outcast, he was excluded, that's what lead to this." Sometimes they'll even speculate on "if he was on the Autism Spectrum".

I've been picked on and ostracized by my peers. I've felt angry and resentful at my peers. I have never, ever, ever considered doing anything violent in retaliation, at least not towards anyone but myself. But I don't see that much fanfare when the picked on outcast kills himself, they only seem to care when they can label him as dangerous. (And sometimes pretend to be "empathetic" about it, while insinuating that outcasts and loners are inherently dangerous.)

Oh my God big time! Thanks for bringing this up! I feel that way too. They are ok if you internalize things to a self harm level-- even encourage you to. I saw this clearly with a therapist my son once had (fired) who would bully literally bully him and ..oh nvm cant go into it. Just imagine the psychological bullying at school thrown at a non verbal severe autistic child who tries his best to learn and loves therapy normally--relentless jeering at him saying stuff like no wonder you will never have aby friends. Do u think anyone wants to be your friend, no.
You are never going ro do anything in your life. Etc hardcore stuff and i he was 5 then

He was self harming (they say self injure when its a kid who is unable ro use a knife and just bites tgemselves n tries to bang their heads ) and having pronounced increase in seizures and regressed


. 2 ppl aside frm me witnessed it and finally my appeal to XH n the lady (his friend) to stop sending her was listened to... Yeah..
He had done NOTHING to incite her words nothing. And even so the other therapists wrre acting like he must have done Something and assuming i was exaggerating...


Some true bullies and diseased hearts out there

She wd say this stuff every few moments and disguise it with a 'hey friend, look hefe' etc the typical therapist instructiins then say this stuff in a lower tone
Vicious, relentless.
She would smirk when he woukd stsrt hitting himself more n more e
Over time. I saw this constantly n didnt want her and they didnt listen to me i wd word fr word wuote her n nobody listened till a few MONTHS later of her coming 1ce every week
I wd speak up fr him n she wd tell me to leave and that parents ruin therapy and dont understand etc and that if i didnt stop he would 'never have a job and be a burden on taxpayers'
Mr Murdstone in female form.

That was actually one thing XH's mom and I apparently agreed upon as whenever I told him he wd say oh yeah my mom says that about Jennifer too. Yet put it down to us imagining things and overreacting

Pretty young seemingly nice charming blonde lady to boot...no wonder no1 listened

Mental health professionals gaslighting and making things worse. I've been there too.

That's sad.
Kick a beautiful soul when you can.
That's how I see NTs even if its not true. That's how my emotions see them.

Age 5, unable to stand up for himself,

talk back or tell anyone,
and beating himself and biting himself having absorbed all her poison,

and she's sitting there smiling. That is unforgivable.

I've ran across this site before while trying to Google ways to cope with some relationship issues I was having. I don't remember the article I found, but I quickly noticed that it definitely didn't have anything good to say about people with autism + being in a relationship with someone who has ASD. After browsing, a lot of the site seems to focus on why being in a relationship with an autistic person is a bad thing, and has a lot of people outright complaining about their partners and family members.
I understand that having a relationship with an autistic person might be sometimes stressful and/or confusing for a typically developing person, so one might desire to look to others for help and support, but the apparent obsession on that site with demonizing us and our traits is weird to me. I saw multiple things about people contemplating leaving their partners or describing their partners as manipulative sociopaths simply because they stopped utilizing masking behaviours as much around them, which ironically probably doesn't help their partners need to mask. If my partner freaked out and got angry at me for becoming more comfortable around them I certainly wouldn't want to act like myself near anyone.
As others have mentioned there are even links to websites insinuating most mass shooters are autistic, which I'm pretty sure is false. Finding that in particular made me angry, and I don't understand who would be benefited from suggesting things like that.

Sociopath minds would. They prey on people with autism already in the normal world, why not ascribe (with no proof) all shootings to ASD as well?

I was listening to a podcast years ago, an interview with Lianne Holiday Willey, who is a writer who specifically writes about Aspergers, her experience with it. I have not read her own book, only her contribution to Dr Tony Attwood's compilation 'Been there? Done that? Try This!" (an awesome book btw).


In her interview, she described how lawyers (a group I think probably holds the most sociopath minds that aren't committing crimes - i.e. put their talent to good use, not bad - a broad statement without evidence, almost as inflammatory as the shootings/ASD one you mentioned)
tried to report her to Child services and have her kids taken from her.

Why? Because in her book, among many things, she described the sensory issues/etc that she had to deal with on a daily basis while parenting her baby (or babies, don't remember).
Now, she had only written this to explain in context, how the difficulties show up.

- keeping in mind that Dr Tony Attwood specifically said he thinks females with Aspergers are some of the most caring people.
These sociopaths decided to use this honesty done with good purpose as an opportunity to demonize someone whose goal was helping others with Aspergers, as well as the people around them.

She hadn't harmed anyone or done anything bad in the book - but they thought that her exposing her own vulnerability and weakness (for good reason) was sufficient reason to try and do something as damaging and drastic as have her kid(s?) removed from her.

That's how these people operate. I think the type who probably demonize Aspergers and ASD as a whole are the same types who, throughout their lives, went around slandering people, thriving from the drama, maybe committing actual wrongdoing like adultery, shoplifting, etc, for the thrill of it. Then they project their sickness onto the easiest targets. The easiest targets, why, because they DON'T have the ability to charm and deceive or look normal, or explain themselves as easily as others can.

Moral superiority that they lack, they come by in this way, instead, an illusion of.

Here's an example of how such people actually deceive others--one of the statements that the judge in a trial against Ted Bundy made:
"You're a bright young man.
You would have made a good lawyer and I would have loved to have you practice in front of me, but you went another way, partner.

Take care of yourself.
I don't feel any animosity toward you. I want you to know that.
Once again, take care of yourself."

That's a known killer, rapist, robber. They knew he was one of them, and they made jokes with him, enjoyed his presence, and the judge summed it up in those words.
That's how both NTs and psychopath or sociopath minds are - tribal towards each other regardless of what they've done.

Do you think a person with Asperger's or full classic autism would have garnered that reaction, for lesser crimes?

Nope. They demonize & beat down & bully even someone proven innocent, or with no evidence against them, because their autistic differences seem 'suspicious' and 'sociopathic' and 'psychopathic' to them.

A real psychopath is like Ted Bundy, who had everyone convinced from the get-go. Friends making excuses for him and even raising money together to bail him out of jail though there was clear, undeniable proof against him at that point, they refused to believe it.

With a non-autistic adept sociopath or narcissist or both,
2+2 = 100,
any inconsistency is wiped out by social ability, charm, self-belief, etc. and they pass.

With an autistic person,
2 + 2 = ???
If they don't immediately give a '4' for an answer, and are struggling to process the question,
and leave it blank, or ask for help,
immediately the non-austistics swoop down and assume they meant
100, which they didn't, and give them a zero without helping them figure it out.

That's not literal, btw, I know many or most would get that right,
I mean if 2+2 was the equivalent of social know-how.

I read an article 1ce a long time ago about how the writer thought Ted Bundy was autistic. There was even a post on this forum 1ce asking if he was. viewtopic.php?p=159383

Lmao.the furthest thing.


Smart sociopaths are the same in 'not understanding' but , like Bundy, they figure it out and thrive to everyone else's detriment (if they wish.. I.e. it is intentional) from their simultaneous detachment and understanding.
There's a youtube video 'interview with a sociopath' that explains this

Lmao... Bundy? He was a sociopath known for incredible charm and manipulative ability. Most Auties/Aspies are the opposite: we are empathetic and want to be good people but others don't see us as such.

^ One of the books I read when the concept I might be autistic was suggested to me and taken as credible by my doctor was ”Zero Degrees of Empathy” by Simon Cohen.
One of the things I found interesting and stuck with me was he splits empathy into two distinct faculties of the mind:
• Empathy: the ability to intuitively sense other peoples emotion states and ‘picture’ the workings of their mind.
• Sympathy: the ability to care about other peoples emotional states and mental workings.

He asserted that:
• Neurotypicals have both, at least with regards to each other.
• Autistics have the second, but the first is diminished and sometimes absent: so he’s saying we care, but have insufficient automatic information to intuitively care effectively.
• Psychopaths/Sociopaths have the first, but the second is diminished/absent: so they have all the information, but don’t care and are thus free to use and abuse to get what they want with no guilt or conscience.

I rather liked that model of splitting human faculties into passive (input oriented) and active (output oriented) sub-faculties.

I like this model because it makes sense, and does not attempt to place blame on anyone.

But what do you call someone who has neither empathy nor sympathy?

^ good question!

I wonder if such people exist?

Some people probably don't know about other people's feelings or don't care.

I like the model too. I sometimes worry about being a good person and if I'm not good enough at feeling things from others' perspectives. It's good to remember that one can care a lot about others' feelings but have little intuitive sense of those feelings.

That's the way I have understood it for a long time. Empathy is really "theory of mind". Autistics sympathesizes with others but lack theory of mind, and so fail to "empathize".

Sociopaths know how you think and feel (ie have "empathy") , by since they lack sympathy they use that knowledge to exploit you.

John Carley, author of a book about aspergers that the doc who diagnosed me, broke it down something like that.