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17 Feb 2020, 12:36 pm

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Forgot to say that my therapist does not consider my lover abusive or toxic at all. What happened was that when we were texting he got annoyed with me and told me to s.d off. This had never happened previously, he has never been intentionally verbally abusive and never physically either. Now s.d off was something my father frequently said to my mother and it immediately triggered a violent response in me. That was when I told him s.d off back and blocked him. My therapist explained to me that friends, lovers, family, people in general often lose their tempers, argue and then continue to make up or laugh it off. It happens and it's not necessarily abuse and from what he has heard about my lover not likely to be, probably just a short temper . People also say these things playfully to each other though I never would. Just part of human interaction. From a place of not responding to abuse I now am "trigger happy" so to speak. If one of my friends tells another to f..k off I get upset, and stay upset well after they have forgotten all about it. I am confused to say the least.

I can't say weather your lover was abusive or not but it seems very much about your triggers.
It's true that friends and lovers get angry at each other every now and then and it's normal.
It's abusive as hell to intentionally play on one's triggers, even if superficially there is nothing out of ordinary.
I don't sit in his mind to know which is the case.


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17 Feb 2020, 1:15 pm

The fact that he is autistic makes it even more confusing. Who can tell me about what triggers an aspies temper? I do believe that being tired/overwhelmed/ frustrated/ irritated is no excuse for being rude.


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17 Feb 2020, 1:22 pm

Does he know how triggering rude words are for you?


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17 Feb 2020, 1:45 pm

He hasn't used many, and those I found offensive and made him aware of, he never used again. He never says anything negative about me or my appearance, or my beliefs. Sometimes if he thinks I'm stubborn he gets impatient. He is very direct and unfiltered. Never intentionally hurtful. We are probably not an ideal combination for a harmonious relationship :P


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17 Feb 2020, 1:58 pm

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He hasn't used many, and those I found offensive and made him aware of, he never used again. He never says anything negative about me or my appearance, or my beliefs. Sometimes if he thinks I'm stubborn he gets impatient. He is very direct and unfiltered. Never intentionally hurtful. We are probably not an ideal combination for a harmonious relationship :P

Sounds more like incompatibility than abuse.


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17 Feb 2020, 2:15 pm

Thank you magz. His autism and my pathology are a challenge. I have to say that he tries vigilantly to make amends and correct things when given the opportunity. We cannot seem to let go of each other. My therapist has given me doubts about my ending the relationship.


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17 Feb 2020, 8:04 pm

Even smart people get pulled into abusive relationships. It’s not your fault. You are strong and you are so capable of a healthy, happy relationship! I’m so glad you left! That’s a difficult thing to do.


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18 Feb 2020, 5:05 am

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Thank you magz. His autism and my pathology are a challenge. I have to say that he tries vigilantly to make amends and correct things when given the opportunity. We cannot seem to let go of each other. My therapist has given me doubts about my ending the relationship.

I don't know the things from inside and I have no idea if you relationship was making you more happy or more miserable.

My husband is short tempered. I was never afraid of it because of my different life story: my Aspie uncle I grew up with is also short tempered, all the time he entered violent fights with other adults - but not with me. This made me able to learn his patterns: the outbrust is never personal but it often looks like it was. Then, the adults make a great mistake by making it personal - they get offended and fight back, which makes the thing escalate without limits.
My way is to wait till the first wave of the outburst is over, let him calm down a bit and, if the words I heard still hurt, ask innocently: Did you really mean what you just said?
The answer is always a genuine apology. But it certainly requires mental stamina to do it.


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18 Feb 2020, 7:19 am

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Teach51 wrote:
Thank you magz. His autism and my pathology are a challenge. I have to say that he tries vigilantly to make amends and correct things when given the opportunity. We cannot seem to let go of each other. My therapist has given me doubts about my ending the relationship.

I don't know the things from inside and I have no idea if you relationship was making you more happy or more miserable.

My husband is short tempered. I was never afraid of it because of my different life story: my Aspie uncle I grew up with is also short tempered, all the time he entered violent fights with other adults - but not with me. This made me able to learn his patterns: the outbrust is never personal but it often looks like it was. Then, the adults make a great mistake by making it personal - they get offended and fight back, which makes the thing escalate without limits.
My way is to wait till the first wave of the outburst is over, let him calm down a bit and, if the words I heard still hurt, ask innocently: Did you really mean what you just said?
The answer is always a genuine apology. But it certainly requires mental stamina to do it.



:D Thank you! I care about this man a great deal. Does he make me happy? Yes, when we are not battling it out. That is excellent advice magz, you are correct, the first outburst is usually not a personal attack but a reactive response.

Love you magz, you are a wise and wonderful person. :heart: I appreciate you taking the time to care.


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18 Feb 2020, 8:33 am

Teach, I just share what I've learned and I hope it helps you understand your own situation better and make better informed choices. You do struggle with being easily triggered. He can't completely avoid triggering you. Is it worth it? It's up to you two.
In any case, working up some clear rules, boundaries and procedures would probably make things less turbulent. Aspies often lack tact and interpersonal sensitivity but usually know how to stick to the rules. You both may feel safer then.


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19 Feb 2020, 7:03 pm

My ASD report says that I am likely to be abusive, especially verbally. And sadly it's not untrue. I am 95% "sweet" or otherwise controlled and 5% abusive (my husband sees most of that). Just this month, my ASD coach congratulated me for my impulse control: across the elementary school parking lot (yes, in public with kids around), I yelled half of an insult at my husband, rather than the whole insult. Go me. :roll: (he tried to help, but hadn't communicated and so the help was unhelpful and I saw red). It was not a trigger for my husband, but still, I'd like not to embarrass us.

About triggering, I think it's more personality (or social conditioning) than ASD --- I have explained a thousand times my triggers and yet my NT husband continues to use them (bad habit, cultural conditioning?), while I am careful to avoid his triggers -that he tells me about or are otherwise obvious (e.g. only one insult triggers my husband and I have NEVER used it once he told me.) So I have ASD (albeit female) and I know and am careful about our triggers, but my NT husband is not as much. Of course, his perspective could be different. :wink:

Our relationship is often uncomfortable and we have big upsets, but we agree that the Pros outweigh the Cons. I don't know if other relationships would be "better", but what we have is good "enough". (And maybe it's actually great given our upbringings --- hard to tell.)

Wishing you find something "good enough" (in a happy way) or great if you desire.



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21 Feb 2020, 12:35 pm

The thing to do is to break the cycle I have been friends with females who break off one toxic relationship and just to go to someone just like the person they left.

I was stuck in a rut and was into the wrong type of girl. I broke the cycle and have been married for 11 years now

If a good person comes into your life give them a chance what do you have to lose at this point?


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21 Feb 2020, 12:56 pm

Does anyone here think that it's better to abstain from intimate relationsips if you have CPTSD and don't always identify abusive behaviour, or the opposite, see it where it doesn't exist?


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21 Feb 2020, 1:05 pm

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Does anyone here think that it's better to abstain from intimate relationsips if you have CPTSD and don't always identify abusive behaviour, or the opposite, see it where it doesn't exist?


Not necessarily but I would recommend being very careful before getting involved with someone, especially emotionally.

If someone constantly triggers you, they are not a good match, whether they are abusive or not. If you're not sure you can identify abusive behaviours, I would suggest to read up on the subject, including "warning signs" and keep that list somewhere in the back of your mind when you get to know people.


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21 Feb 2020, 1:21 pm

Teach51 wrote:
Forgot to say that my therapist does not consider my lover abusive or toxic at all. What happened was that when we were texting he got annoyed with me and told me to s.d off. This had never happened previously, he has never been intentionally verbally abusive and never physically either. Now s.d off was something my father frequently said to my mother and it immediately triggered a violent response in me. That was when I told him s.d off back and blocked him. My therapist explained to me that friends, lovers, family, people in general often lose their tempers, argue and then continue to make up or laugh it off. It happens and it's not necessarily abuse and from what he has heard about my lover not likely to be, probably just a short temper . People also say these things playfully to each other though I never would. Just part of human interaction. From a place of not responding to abuse I now am "trigger happy" so to speak. If one of my friends tells another to f..k off I get upset, and stay upset well after they have forgotten all about it. I am confused to say the least.


I can say it is normal for couples to get mad and say something they regret saying and apologize later.

the question is does it happen all the time or is it a one off thing. My AS wife has gotten mad enough she has hit me before do I care not really it has only happened twice over 11 years and it was my fault I pushed her harder (not physically) then I should have and she had a melt down.

I have a better understanding of what her limitations are now so I know how much to expect out of her.

I have my issues and she had hers but we have both learned to deal with it and be there for each other no matter what.


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21 Feb 2020, 1:34 pm

I am positive that this relationship is not contributing to my recovery and there is no solid foundation of trust to stabilize it. Thanx guys. You are a welcome reminder that good guys exist.


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