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04 Jan 2021, 8:29 am

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There is no reason in this whole wide world to stay in a marriage which is this unhappy and unhealthy.

You are already suffering extreme health consequences that put you under medication. The best thing for the both of you is to leave. Think of how this could improve your life, you deserve to be healthy and feel like yourself. There are certain things that you can't negotiate and remain happy. It looks like this is one of them. We can do a lot of things but it doesn't mean they are the right way.

It sounds like it's over, he will not keep going to psychologists because he tried that. By the way psychologists are better than psychiatrists to get people to open up, especially autistics. From what I know psychiatrists ask questions which aspies tend to hate, and give meds or some suggestions of life changes that aren't nearly enough. Seems like you can't fix his issues and he will not change.

In the future try not to fix the person's issues, watch if they work on themselves when tough times come and how they treat you in those times. Your only responsibility is to identify what you do wrong and deal with it, otherwise you fall in codependency and no one appreciates it either. You're not their parent, you are their lover. Observe and remove the unhealthy from your life as soon as possible. Take care


Yes, reports sugget that indeed many women DO need a sexual relationship with an NT man, or they don't see a point in life. This need is so great, that women are better off dating a criminal, alcoholic, cheater, bum, etc., and with an AS man their need is not met and they end up having mental health problems and unhappy with life. It's absolutely a phenomenon. Women are sexual and sociable creatures and with an AS they lack that and just start to die off like a plant that isn't watered.


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NT here, happily married to my beloved (Aspie) husband who, like many Aspies, does likes sex...In fact, in our relationship, i have written here in WP before, how he wants sex more frequently than ME...We have only been married for less than two years...And i fully understand that his sexual needs may change overtime...And that is ok with ME as long as my beloved husband continues to show me his love in other ways...As many NT elderly couples do when they can no longer enjoy sex due to some health afflictions... 8O :D :wink:

Anyhow, you are right in that some Aspies are asexual, which makes them indifferent to sex...Please remember that ASD is a disorder that affects the individual in various aspects of his or her life...In some cases, this includes the ability to enjoy an optimum sexual life...Please keep in mind that not every NT women will take the time to learn about ASD traits as i have in order to be more understanding, kind, and compassionate to his or her partner on the spectrum...

As an NT, I believe I am qualified to clarify for everyone, here in WP, what you are trying to saying in this post...NTs, men and women, are indeed EMOTIONAL and SEXUAL BEINGS...When God created Adam, God said clearly that it is not good for men to be alone...God could have easily created a completely separate being to become Adam's life partner...Instead, God put Adam into a profound sleep and took a rib from his body...From this rib, God created Eve...And so together, they made ONE complete person...Why???...Because it was and still is God's will that man and woman enjoy the most INTIMATE of human relationships--physically, mentally, emotionally, and spiritually...However, humans are NOT animals...We were created in God's image, able to cultivate divine, qualities like LOVE...And so, healthy SEX combined with LOVE equals INTIMACY...

Eating is a basic human necessity...However, because God wants humans to enjoy the act of eating, he gave us our taste buds...In the same way, God created us sexual beings in order to reproduce...But he created our sexuality in a way that it is a PLEASURE and not a household chore...So, to say that NT women put-up with all kinds of bad behavior from their partners because of their sexual need is a GROSS MISUNDERSTANDING of human nature from your behalf...True, many NT women put-up with a lot of (! ! !) from their partner, because of their EMOTIONAL ATTACHMENT or LOVE which encompasses a lot more than just the physical attraction that leads to sex...So, please do not call a phenomenon the fact that NT women are sexual in nature...It is disrespectful to ME and many NT wives (to Aspies) who are not here to have their say...Thank you for reading...And have a blessed Sunday... :heart: :heart: :heart:

Post Script: Some NT women do develop health issues as a direct result of their partners' autistic traits NOT because of the deprivation of SEX but because of the deprivation of LOVE...I do not yet know of any NT women who have died for being deprived of SEX...My beloved paternal grandmother became a widow at age 29, when in her sexual peak...She never had any other man in her life...She died at the age of 92, still madly in love with her beloved husband...Similar case with my beloved maternal grandmother... :cry:

Yep, but I think many women tend to equate sex with love. They feel attracted sexually and addicted when affectionately stimulated.
Sex = love [or brain & heart sex]
That's why they need to be warmed up for sex in time with chivalrous behavior [white knighting and a little black for humor, well that's hot and playful, ya flirtin'?].


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04 Jan 2021, 8:32 am

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Try getting your husband an official diagnosis from an appropriately-trained and licensed mental-health practitioner instead of only assuming his "aspie-like behavior" is the result of him being an aspie.

Better yet, instead of assuming anything, try getting the both of you to a marriage counselor.  You may find out that the problems you claim to be having with your husband are not really his fault at all!

:roll: No ... it is not always the husband's fault...


Even if he's autistic, not always the aspie's fault.

And autism isn't a mental disorder :roll:


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04 Jan 2021, 8:44 am

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Try getting your husband an official diagnosis from an appropriately-trained and licensed mental-health practitioner instead of only assuming his "aspie-like behavior" is the result of him being an aspie.

Better yet, instead of assuming anything, try getting the both of you to a marriage counselor.  You may find out that the problems you claim to be having with your husband are not really his fault at all!

:roll: No ... it is not always the husband's fault...


Even if he's autistic, not always the aspie's fault.

And autism isn't a mental disorder :roll:

It's everybody's fault. My fault, your fault, the husband's fault, the wifi's fault, the dog, and Fnord's fault.
Now let's kiss. Dibs on the wifi!


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04 Jan 2021, 9:18 am

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He may very well be part of the Cluster B types of personalities. He could be a narcissist (they will never admit to anything and always use others to do their dirty work for them), a sociopath, histrionic (the dramatic ones that makes everything personal), Antisocial Personality Disorder.... well and so much more. If he doesn't want to talk to your couples therapist. Why not let him, choose his own therapist. Even if he does, it will take at least 5 years to make any improvement. That's if he is not inevitably delaying his appointments to make it look like the therapist wasn't able to meet him.

Anyway, I would say cut him off, and move on with your life, and then take a hard look at why you are so attracted to him (or people like him). Because there is a reason why you allowed him into your life in the first place. So you should discuss that with your therapist. (Usually Cluster C type personalities ends up being the doormats for Cluster Bs).

I recommend Elinor Greenberg Ph.D's book Borderline, Narcissistic, and Schizoid Adaptations: The Pursuit of Love, Admiration, and Safety 1st Edition

First you need to be self aware. Then you will understand the other person. Because if you don't, you will just end up going for the same type of person again.

Narcissists comes in so many levels, they could be the classic narcissist, or covert or passive aggressive etc. Normally cluster C lacks complete narcissism, because narcissism is healthy when balanced. A narcissist refers to someone where the narcissism is so high and pervasive in their life that it ends up being on the opposite end of the spectrum of narcissism.


You're projecting, and speculating wildly here. Don't forget this is a marriage you're happily writing off with these assumptions.

Narcissism shares some behaviours with Pathalogical Demand Avoidance, but the driving forces behind those behaviours are completely different. Given that professionals have repeatedly mentioned Autism and not Narcissism, if anything in his behaviour seems that way it's more likely PDA. But actually everything that's been said simply suggests an Aspie outwardly shutting down out of fear and anxiety. Or even simple communication breakdown and lack of understanding.

To the OP, I would suggest writing down everthing you feel, including the "why" and "how" bits. "When you do X, it makes me think Y, and then I feel Z. Is that what you intended, or am I misunderstanding you? I'm not trying to make you feel guilty, I just want this to work".

Be reassuring. It sounds as though he is already stressed. And also quite possibly feeling guilty if he knows you've been upset (a key difference from narcissism - Aspies can be anti-social but they do think about others, even if they have odd ways of showing it). You may need to wait for his second answer to get to the heart of things. The first could be deliberately rude or dismissive if he's trying to run away, the second will come after reflection and will be more honest, without any knee-jerk. But it might take a while. Some Aspies have poor emotional self-awareness, not only do they struggle to understand others, they also struggle to understand their own feelings and reactions. "Why did I do THAT?". It takes us time to figure it out.

Just in case it is relevant, here is a link to the PDA Society:
PDA Society homepage

I wouldn't be surprised if he is overwhelmed at the amount of interaction required to maintain a "normal" relationship, the responsibilities that go with it (both towards you emotionally, and also practically in terms of holding down a job, paying the bills, maintaining a home, potential fatherhood etc. etc.) and the risks of failure. It's quite easy to get into a downward spiral from there. The more worried you get, the more stressed you get, the more isolated and defensive you become, the more distant and upset your partner gets, the more you feel inadequate and guilty, the more you worry about letting everybody down......

Basically anxiety / depression with an Aspie twist.


I agree with most of the points you made. He felt guilty when I was suffering from depression and he expressed it once.

Also, I believe my husband refuse to go for psychiatrists/ psychologists just because it is difficult to discuss emotional matters with them. Even when he is discussing with me about how he feels or something related to emotional matters he just closes his eyes, using his arm, or look away. So, I understand how difficult for him to discuss. That may be the reason he refuses to go for diagnosis and maybe counselling.

I never ever treated him badly or never said that I will leave if he can not do this or that ( I mean I was reassuring.) Maybe that is the reason he is with me for 7 years. Similarly, I do not want to leave, I just want to reduce my stress levels and continue with him.

Meanwhile, I hope sharing how others feel and still survive within the relationship already made me feel better.... :)



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04 Jan 2021, 9:20 am

KT67 wrote:
Fnord wrote:
Try getting your husband an official diagnosis from an appropriately-trained and licensed mental-health practitioner instead of only assuming his "aspie-like behavior" is the result of him being an aspie.

Better yet, instead of assuming anything, try getting the both of you to a marriage counselor.  You may find out that the problems you claim to be having with your husband are not really his fault at all!

:roll: No ... it is not always the husband's fault...


Even if he's autistic, not always the aspie's fault.

And autism isn't a mental disorder :roll:


Definitely, We both have discussed and accepted it already.



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04 Jan 2021, 10:14 am

Chejana,

An Aspie husband here, again.

It might be worth noting that he might be bad at knowing what mood you are in. He probably wants you to be happy but he might be unclear on how to help. Maybe you could try just telling him. Not in an adversarial or accusing way, in a helpful way. For instance, early in our marriage there were times when my bride had to tell me she needed a hug. After 20 years I have progressed to having enough of a clue that I can guess when it might be a good time ask her if she needs a hug.

Also, remember he probably communicates differently than you do. He likely says what he means and means what he says, and if he says something he probably means that and nothing more. My bride and I have miscommunicated a number of times because of this difference! From my standpoint it usually ends up with me saying something like "But that's not what I said! What I said was...."

And long hours at work? Hard to say, maybe ask him about it (without involving emotions). My Aspieness may have pushed me into some long hours because I was determined to accomplish stuff (for instance, once I told my bride I would have to work late and it turned out I did not leave the office 'til the following morning!). Really. I was at work. I wasn't going astray. I wasn't avoiding her. And the stress and demands of my job were making me miserable and what I really needed at home was sleep, peace, and to be left alone--fortunately my bride had worked in similar situations so she kind of understood, she could easily have made me much, much more miserable and unhappy and desirous of staying longer at the office.


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04 Jan 2021, 10:25 am

Being a partner of someone with autism normally means accepting differences, not putting up with them. If you find it difficult to engage with them, then maybe it is not working the way it is supposed to. :(



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04 Jan 2021, 10:47 am

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Chejana, Hi! I'm an Aspie husband. My bride and I are rapidly approaching our 21st anniversary. We are devoted to each other :heart: and we drive each other nuts. (That's a two-way street, by the way, and I thought all husbands and wives did that--my Aspieness just changes how I drive her nuts.)

I can't speak for your husband but I can give a few observations from my vantage point.

If your husband is an Aspie then he is an Aspie whether he is diagnosed, or not. A diagnosis might not change him much. But, if you are sure he is an Aspie then you have a lot of information you can use with or without a formal diagnosis--and if you poke around on the Internet you can find a lot more.

https://lovinganasperger.wordpress.com/ ... ect-lover/

I don't know how my bride would describe our relationship and I don't know how much of the following she would agree with, but here goes...

I am predictable and reliable, like the tide or the planetary orbits. She generally knows where I am, which direction I will go, and how I will react--and she has learned to use me as a reliable anchor for her more interesting life.

I know how to amuse her. How I should help her. Despite being very predictable I still manage to surprise her (sometimes). And, in my own way, I try to make her happy.

https://aspiespot.com/an-aspie-loves-you/

The good and bad news is that Aspies are generally described as not liking change. But if he married you, then he made a huge change because he wanted you in his life.

We only discovered I was an Aspie after our 19th anniversary. But we've been learning to live together since our wedding.

Oh, I showed my bride this comic today:

https://www.gocomics.com/pickles/2021/01/03

She laughed aloud and noted that I was a lot like that guy.


Hi!
Happy 21st Anniversary!

I already read the links you sent me.
My partner also has many characteristics explained in the blog you suggested.
The only thing is I feel lonely within marriage and I sometimes feel hard to bear it.
But, I understand that my partner may not know that unless I express it.
In contrast, expressing it also may cause problems because I feel that he is uncomfortable when we are discussing matters related to emotions.

However, still, I do not need to leave him, what I want is to be with him and be comfortable with him.
I am struggling to do that, and you may understand it is much harder because mostly the need and effort, both are only from my side.

We also have been learned to live together since the beginning of our marriage and now things are much better than they were at that time.
It cheers me up that there are many AS/NT married couples who wish to continue their marriage.

One more thing, this is the first time I exchange ideas with another aspie except for my partner. I'm very happy about it when you said that you are married for almost 21 years. I wish us to be too.



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04 Jan 2021, 10:54 am

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Also, remember he probably communicates differently than you do. He likely says what he means and means what he says, and if he says something he probably means that and nothing more. My bride and I have miscommunicated a number of times because of this difference! From my standpoint it usually ends up with me saying something like "But that's not what I said! What I said was...."



You are exactly right, there were times I got badly hurt because of the misunderstandings.

He usually has a habit to tell me important things via telephone calls, rather saying it face to face.
And I misunderstand him, and get hurt. Later, I talk with him face to face and he says that his intention is to tell me a positive thing and I have understood it as a negative thing. :D



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04 Jan 2021, 1:07 pm

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Also, remember he probably communicates differently than you do. He likely says what he means and means what he says, and if he says something he probably means that and nothing more. My bride and I have miscommunicated a number of times because of this difference! From my standpoint it usually ends up with me saying something like "But that's not what I said! What I said was...."



You are exactly right, there were times I got badly hurt because of the misunderstandings.

He usually has a habit to tell me important things via telephone calls, rather saying it face to face.
And I misunderstand him, and get hurt. Later, I talk with him face to face and he says that his intention is to tell me a positive thing and I have understood it as a negative thing. :D
As long as neither of you gets too worked up about it, the miscommunication can be sort of funny.

First memorable miscommunication for us was long ago. She changed her hair, I assume...I often don't notice...I figure, for the purposes of this story, that she must've changed her hair because this would not have happened otherwise. She asked me how I liked her hair. I told her the truth (I was new to marriage, now I know I should've changed the subject!! !), "I would prefer it longer." For a week she was angry with me and I had no idea why. Finally, I cornered her and asked "What's wrong, why are you mad at me?!" Her response "You said my hair looked bad!! !" Predictably, my response was "But that's not what I said! What I said was I would prefer it longer. It looks fine but I like long hair." That calmed her down a lot.

There was another memorable (to me) communication problem related to her hair. She changed her hair color--a big, completely different change. For a week she kept asking me "What do you think?". She asked me that a lot. A whole lot. I had no response because I hadn't given it much thought...but this was apparently an unacceptable response. Finally, she cornered me and demanded "What do you think about my new hair color? What is going through your mind?!" So, after a long pause, I told her exactly what was going through my mind: "Should I still get you gold jewelry or now should it be silver?" She left in a huff, with much eye-rolling, and a definite hint of stomping.

Much more recently I happened to be walking in front of some businesses and stopped to look at the menu in the window of a small Chinese restaurant. Most of it was normal Chinese-food-in-America stuff but there were a few awfully authentic items, too. Later that day I mentioned to my bride that that restaurant had some odd things on their menu. She is not an Autie so she read between the lines of what I said, "You want to eat there?" Followed by me "That's not what I said! What I said was..."


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04 Jan 2021, 1:21 pm

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Double Retired wrote:

Also, remember he probably communicates differently than you do. He likely says what he means and means what he says, and if he says something he probably means that and nothing more. My bride and I have miscommunicated a number of times because of this difference! From my standpoint it usually ends up with me saying something like "But that's not what I said! What I said was...."



You are exactly right, there were times I got badly hurt because of the misunderstandings.

He usually has a habit to tell me important things via telephone calls, rather saying it face to face.
And I misunderstand him, and get hurt. Later, I talk with him face to face and he says that his intention is to tell me a positive thing and I have understood it as a negative thing. :D
As long as neither of you gets too worked up about it, the miscommunication can be sort of funny.

First memorable miscommunication for us was long ago. She changed her hair, I assume...I often don't notice...I figure, for the purposes of this story, that she must've changed her hair because this would not have happened otherwise. She asked me how I liked her hair. I told her the truth (I was new to marriage, now I know I should've changed the subject!! !), "I would prefer it longer." For a week she was angry with me and I had no idea why. Finally, I cornered her and asked "What's wrong, why are you mad at me?!" Her response "You said my hair looked bad!! !" Predictably, my response was "But that's not what I said! What I said was I would prefer it longer. It looks fine but I like long hair." That calmed her down a lot.

There was another memorable (to me) communication problem related to her hair. She changed her hair color--a big, completely different change. For a week she kept asking me "What do you think?". She asked me that a lot. A whole lot. I had no response because I hadn't given it much thought...but this was apparently an unacceptable response. Finally, she cornered me and demanded "What do you think about my new hair color? What is going through your mind?!" So, after a long pause, I told her exactly what was going through my mind: "Should I still get you gold jewelry or now should it be silver?" She left in a huff, with much eye-rolling, and a definite hint of stomping.

Much more recently I happened to be walking in front of some businesses and stopped to look at the menu in the window of a small Chinese restaurant. Most of it was normal Chinese-food-in-America stuff but there were a few awfully authentic items, too. Later that day I mentioned to my bride that that restaurant had some odd things on their menu. She is not an Autie so she read between the lines of what I said, "You want to eat there?" Followed by me "That's not what I said! What I said was..."

So what did she read by that?
By the way isn't Chinese typically the worst food known in movies followed by Mexican?
Ohmigosh, odd things! Way to sell the place.

Wow, shes trying hard to flirt and wants to be liked a lot, prefers to nail your preferences rather than ask you so she keeps on taking risks even if they might hurt her. In her imagination you will love it. But reality is often not how we imagine. Your response isn't quite what she wants but you might know this, it's however the truth. I would guess she prefers something along the lines 'Best hair ever, hun/qt! I wanna take you out now, then pull on it all night long'. Yeh, imma steal your wife, like that. Rather than your hair is 'fine' because 'fine' is what people say when they're not feeling quite ok but want to pass, sounds like letting her down in a nice way, and adding that you prefer something else is regarded as unnecessary and even worse. But she makes due with it bc she isn't gonna get any better response and is uninterested in continuing.

Mhm, she supposed that saying 'what's going through your mind' works for aspies rather than 'how do you feel about it' but you were distracted, that's the truth. She probably wouldn't want to be lied to though either so it defeats the point of thinking 'well i could have asked him what's going through his mind about my hair while being more specific' but you weren't even stunned by her flaunting herself before you wearing new hair, at the moment. She would get much more attention walking into a bar without changing anything, but she's mad about you [in a good way] so she'll keep on trying.

And then if she's that into you liking her hair, you can tell her to wash your d-feet with her pretty hair like Mary Magdalen, a process called anointing.


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04 Jan 2021, 1:47 pm

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There is no reason in this whole wide world to stay in a marriage which is this unhappy and unhealthy.

You are already suffering extreme health consequences that put you under medication. The best thing for the both of you is to leave. Think of how this could improve your life, you deserve to be healthy and feel like yourself. There are certain things that you can't negotiate and remain happy. It looks like this is one of them. We can do a lot of things but it doesn't mean they are the right way.

It sounds like it's over, he will not keep going to psychologists because he tried that. By the way psychologists are better than psychiatrists to get people to open up, especially autistics. From what I know psychiatrists ask questions which aspies tend to hate, and give meds or some suggestions of life changes that aren't nearly enough. Seems like you can't fix his issues and he will not change.

In the future try not to fix the person's issues, watch if they work on themselves when tough times come and how they treat you in those times. Your only responsibility is to identify what you do wrong and deal with it, otherwise you fall in codependency and no one appreciates it either. You're not their parent, you are their lover. Observe and remove the unhealthy from your life as soon as possible. Take care


Yes, reports sugget that indeed many women DO need a sexual relationship with an NT man, or they don't see a point in life. This need is so great, that women are better off dating a criminal, alcoholic, cheater, bum, etc., and with an AS man their need is not met and they end up having mental health problems and unhappy with life. It's absolutely a phenomenon. Women are sexual and sociable creatures and with an AS they lack that and just start to die off like a plant that isn't watered.


... ... ...

NT here, happily married to my beloved (Aspie) husband who, like many Aspies, does likes sex...In fact, in our relationship, i have written here in WP before, how he wants sex more frequently than ME...We have only been married for less than two years...And i fully understand that his sexual needs may change overtime...And that is ok with ME as long as my beloved husband continues to show me his love in other ways...As many NT elderly couples do when they can no longer enjoy sex due to some health afflictions... 8O :D :wink:

Anyhow, you are right in that some Aspies are asexual, which makes them indifferent to sex...Please remember that ASD is a disorder that affects the individual in various aspects of his or her life...In some cases, this includes the ability to enjoy an optimum sexual life...Please keep in mind that not every NT women will take the time to learn about ASD traits as i have in order to be more understanding, kind, and compassionate to his or her partner on the spectrum...

As an NT, I believe I am qualified to clarify for everyone, here in WP, what you are trying to saying in this post...NTs, men and women, are indeed EMOTIONAL and SEXUAL BEINGS...When God created Adam, God said clearly that it is not good for men to be alone...God could have easily created a completely separate being to become Adam's life partner...Instead, God put Adam into a profound sleep and took a rib from his body...From this rib, God created Eve...And so together, they made ONE complete person...Why???...Because it was and still is God's will that man and woman enjoy the most INTIMATE of human relationships--physically, mentally, emotionally, and spiritually...However, humans are NOT animals...We were created in God's image, able to cultivate divine, qualities like LOVE...And so, healthy SEX combined with LOVE equals INTIMACY...

Eating is a basic human necessity...However, because God wants humans to enjoy the act of eating, he gave us our taste buds...In the same way, God created us sexual beings in order to reproduce...But he created our sexuality in a way that it is a PLEASURE and not a household chore...So, to say that NT women put-up with all kinds of bad behavior from their partners because of their sexual need is a GROSS MISUNDERSTANDING of human nature from your behalf...True, many NT women put-up with a lot of (! ! !) from their partner, because of their EMOTIONAL ATTACHMENT or LOVE which encompasses a lot more than just the physical attraction that leads to sex...So, please do not call a phenomenon the fact that NT women are sexual in nature...It is disrespectful to ME and many NT wives (to Aspies) who are not here to have their say...Thank you for reading...And have a blessed Sunday... :heart: :heart: :heart:

Post Script: Some NT women do develop health issues as a direct result of their partners' autistic traits NOT because of the deprivation of SEX but because of the deprivation of LOVE...I do not yet know of any NT women who have died for being deprived of SEX...My beloved paternal grandmother became a widow at age 29, when in her sexual peak...She never had any other man in her life...She died at the age of 92, still madly in love with her beloved husband...Similar case with my beloved maternal grandmother... :cry:

Yep, but I think many women tend to equate sex with love. They feel attracted sexually and addicted when affectionately stimulated.
Sex = love [or brain & heart sex]
That's why they need to be warmed up for sex in time with chivalrous behavior [white knighting and a little black for humor, well that's hot and playful, ya flirtin'?].

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Rexi...Hello...When women confuse sex with love, it is because they are unable to understand their own feelings...And understandably so, because humans are emotional beings, sex is invariable attached to emotions...Fortunately, most women outgrow this confusion past their teens..And with life experience, we become better able to understand our own feelings and to distinguish the feelings of infatuation and the feelings of love... :wink:

By the way, feelings of infatuation typically last no more than three months, at the most two years...This is obviously not the case of the OP here...Keep in mind that her marriage has endured the test of time, with seven years of TRUE LOVE and still counting :wink:



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There is no reason in this whole wide world to stay in a marriage which is this unhappy and unhealthy.

You are already suffering extreme health consequences that put you under medication. The best thing for the both of you is to leave. Think of how this could improve your life, you deserve to be healthy and feel like yourself. There are certain things that you can't negotiate and remain happy. It looks like this is one of them. We can do a lot of things but it doesn't mean they are the right way.

It sounds like it's over, he will not keep going to psychologists because he tried that. By the way psychologists are better than psychiatrists to get people to open up, especially autistics. From what I know psychiatrists ask questions which aspies tend to hate, and give meds or some suggestions of life changes that aren't nearly enough. Seems like you can't fix his issues and he will not change.

In the future try not to fix the person's issues, watch if they work on themselves when tough times come and how they treat you in those times. Your only responsibility is to identify what you do wrong and deal with it, otherwise you fall in codependency and no one appreciates it either. You're not their parent, you are their lover. Observe and remove the unhealthy from your life as soon as possible. Take care


Yes, reports sugget that indeed many women DO need a sexual relationship with an NT man, or they don't see a point in life. This need is so great, that women are better off dating a criminal, alcoholic, cheater, bum, etc., and with an AS man their need is not met and they end up having mental health problems and unhappy with life. It's absolutely a phenomenon. Women are sexual and sociable creatures and with an AS they lack that and just start to die off like a plant that isn't watered.


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NT here, happily married to my beloved (Aspie) husband who, like many Aspies, does likes sex...In fact, in our relationship, i have written here in WP before, how he wants sex more frequently than ME...We have only been married for less than two years...And i fully understand that his sexual needs may change overtime...And that is ok with ME as long as my beloved husband continues to show me his love in other ways...As many NT elderly couples do when they can no longer enjoy sex due to some health afflictions... 8O :D :wink:

Anyhow, you are right in that some Aspies are asexual, which makes them indifferent to sex...Please remember that ASD is a disorder that affects the individual in various aspects of his or her life...In some cases, this includes the ability to enjoy an optimum sexual life...Please keep in mind that not every NT women will take the time to learn about ASD traits as i have in order to be more understanding, kind, and compassionate to his or her partner on the spectrum...

As an NT, I believe I am qualified to clarify for everyone, here in WP, what you are trying to saying in this post...NTs, men and women, are indeed EMOTIONAL and SEXUAL BEINGS...When God created Adam, God said clearly that it is not good for men to be alone...God could have easily created a completely separate being to become Adam's life partner...Instead, God put Adam into a profound sleep and took a rib from his body...From this rib, God created Eve...And so together, they made ONE complete person...Why???...Because it was and still is God's will that man and woman enjoy the most INTIMATE of human relationships--physically, mentally, emotionally, and spiritually...However, humans are NOT animals...We were created in God's image, able to cultivate divine, qualities like LOVE...And so, healthy SEX combined with LOVE equals INTIMACY...

Eating is a basic human necessity...However, because God wants humans to enjoy the act of eating, he gave us our taste buds...In the same way, God created us sexual beings in order to reproduce...But he created our sexuality in a way that it is a PLEASURE and not a household chore...So, to say that NT women put-up with all kinds of bad behavior from their partners because of their sexual need is a GROSS MISUNDERSTANDING of human nature from your behalf...True, many NT women put-up with a lot of (! ! !) from their partner, because of their EMOTIONAL ATTACHMENT or LOVE which encompasses a lot more than just the physical attraction that leads to sex...So, please do not call a phenomenon the fact that NT women are sexual in nature...It is disrespectful to ME and many NT wives (to Aspies) who are not here to have their say...Thank you for reading...And have a blessed Sunday... :heart: :heart: :heart:

Post Script: Some NT women do develop health issues as a direct result of their partners' autistic traits NOT because of the deprivation of SEX but because of the deprivation of LOVE...I do not yet know of any NT women who have died for being deprived of SEX...My beloved paternal grandmother became a widow at age 29, when in her sexual peak...She never had any other man in her life...She died at the age of 92, still madly in love with her beloved husband...Similar case with my beloved maternal grandmother... :cry:

Yep, but I think many women tend to equate sex with love. They feel attracted sexually and addicted when affectionately stimulated.
Sex = love [or brain & heart sex]
That's why they need to be warmed up for sex in time with chivalrous behavior [white knighting and a little black for humor, well that's hot and playful, ya flirtin'?].

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Rexi...Hello...When women confuse sex with love, it is because they are unable to understand their own feelings...And understandably so, because humans are emotional beings, sex is invariable attached to emotions...Fortunately, most women outgrow this confusion past their teens..And with life experience, we become better able to understand our own feelings and to distinguish the feelings of infatuation and the feelings of love... :wink:

By the way, feelings of infatuation typically last no more than three months, at the most two years...This is obviously not the case of the OP here...Keep in mind that her marriage has endured the test of time, with seven years of TRUE LOVE and still counting :wink:

There are people like me that got that puppy love for lifetime. But my partners fall out around the 2-4 month.

I know the difference between affection and sex. But I only like it together because it's very distinguishable to me. Using comes with sex, kissing comes with affection and adoration; sex is more so need, affection reflects positive feelings. So for me basically loving me feels like sex. Granted that affection isn't true love because the second is a construct of time. Unconditional love in this sense is still attractive to me but maybe not as much, it's rather calming. But so is affection.


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04 Jan 2021, 2:20 pm

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Try getting your husband an official diagnosis from an appropriately-trained and licensed mental-health practitioner instead of only assuming his "aspie-like behavior" is the result of him being an aspie.

Better yet, instead of assuming anything, try getting the both of you to a marriage counselor.  You may find out that the problems you claim to be having with your husband are not really his fault at all!

:roll: No ... it is not always the husband's fault...


Even if he's autistic, not always the aspie's fault.

And autism isn't a mental disorder :roll:

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You are definitely right in that it is NOT always the Aspie's fault...Although we have to acknowledge that statistics show 80% of marriages, wherein one of the partners is autistic, end in divorce...Certainly these are NOT cases of FAULT but of LACK OF COMPATIBILITY...Because the needs of the neuro-typical go unmet for l-o-n-g periods of time, physically, emotionally, and otherwise...

Sadly, because of the nature of the disorder, the autistic suitor will mask his or her disabilities really well to the extent that the neuro-typical had no way of knowing in advance that his or her needs would not be satisfied once married...Again, i am not blaming the autistic individual...Surely his or her inability to express his autistic traits to his or her partner play an important role in the imminent failure of the relationship...

Fortunately, for the autistic partner, when the NT finally comes to realize this, she is way too invested in the success of the relationship and deeply in love with her Aspie...So, consciously or not, she accepts him as he is...And she takes on the collosal job of maintaining the marriage and salvaging it time and again...Hopefully, gradually, they will both learn to accommodate one another to the success of their marriage...And those few cases make the best love stories...(I hope my marriage is one of these few cases of unconditional love)...:heart: :heart: :heart:

I am just grateful to God that i have found this forum where i can express my thoughts and feelings openly to a mostly autistic audience, who like me, want the success of my neuro-diverse marriage...Thank you all... :heart: :heart: :heart:



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04 Jan 2021, 2:56 pm

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So what did she read by that?
By the way isn't Chinese typically the worst food known in movies followed by Mexican?
Ohmigosh, odd things! Way to sell the place.
She was surprised by the thought of going there for a meal because if we want Chinese there are places closer than the place I mentioned. And having "authentic" items on the menu isn't that odd around here...there are a lot of Asians in our area and some Chinese restaurants here have two different menus: one with lots of "authentic" choices and one that is tamer for the non-ethnic folk. Given my druthers, I'm more likely to pick Thai than Chinese, though. She likes both but I think she would prefer authentic Mexican much more--she was born and raised in Texas.


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He may very well be part of the Cluster B types of personalities. He could be a narcissist (they will never admit to anything and always use others to do their dirty work for them), a sociopath, histrionic (the dramatic ones that makes everything personal), Antisocial Personality Disorder.... well and so much more. If he doesn't want to talk to your couples therapist. Why not let him, choose his own therapist. Even if he does, it will take at least 5 years to make any improvement. That's if he is not inevitably delaying his appointments to make it look like the therapist wasn't able to meet him.

Anyway, I would say cut him off, and move on with your life, and then take a hard look at why you are so attracted to him (or people like him). Because there is a reason why you allowed him into your life in the first place. So you should discuss that with your therapist. (Usually Cluster C type personalities ends up being the doormats for Cluster Bs).

I recommend Elinor Greenberg Ph.D's book Borderline, Narcissistic, and Schizoid Adaptations: The Pursuit of Love, Admiration, and Safety 1st Edition

First you need to be self aware. Then you will understand the other person. Because if you don't, you will just end up going for the same type of person again.

Narcissists comes in so many levels, they could be the classic narcissist, or covert or passive aggressive etc. Normally cluster C lacks complete narcissism, because narcissism is healthy when balanced. A narcissist refers to someone where the narcissism is so high and pervasive in their life that it ends up being on the opposite end of the spectrum of narcissism.


You're projecting, and speculating wildly here. Don't forget this is a marriage you're happily writing off with these assumptions.

Narcissism shares some behaviours with Pathalogical Demand Avoidance, but the driving forces behind those behaviours are completely different. Given that professionals have repeatedly mentioned Autism and not Narcissism, if anything in his behaviour seems that way it's more likely PDA. But actually everything that's been said simply suggests an Aspie outwardly shutting down out of fear and anxiety. Or even simple communication breakdown and lack of understanding.

To the OP, I would suggest writing down everthing you feel, including the "why" and "how" bits. "When you do X, it makes me think Y, and then I feel Z. Is that what you intended, or am I misunderstanding you? I'm not trying to make you feel guilty, I just want this to work".

Be reassuring. It sounds as though he is already stressed. And also quite possibly feeling guilty if he knows you've been upset (a key difference from narcissism - Aspies can be anti-social but they do think about others, even if they have odd ways of showing it). You may need to wait for his second answer to get to the heart of things. The first could be deliberately rude or dismissive if he's trying to run away, the second will come after reflection and will be more honest, without any knee-jerk. But it might take a while. Some Aspies have poor emotional self-awareness, not only do they struggle to understand others, they also struggle to understand their own feelings and reactions. "Why did I do THAT?". It takes us time to figure it out.

Just in case it is relevant, here is a link to the PDA Society:
PDA Society homepage

I wouldn't be surprised if he is overwhelmed at the amount of interaction required to maintain a "normal" relationship, the responsibilities that go with it (both towards you emotionally, and also practically in terms of holding down a job, paying the bills, maintaining a home, potential fatherhood etc. etc.) and the risks of failure. It's quite easy to get into a downward spiral from there. The more worried you get, the more stressed you get, the more isolated and defensive you become, the more distant and upset your partner gets, the more you feel inadequate and guilty, the more you worry about letting everybody down......

Basically anxiety / depression with an Aspie twist.


I agree with most of the points you made. He felt guilty when I was suffering from depression and he expressed it once.

Also, I believe my husband refuse to go for psychiatrists/ psychologists just because it is difficult to discuss emotional matters with them. Even when he is discussing with me about how he feels or something related to emotional matters he just closes his eyes, using his arm, or look away. So, I understand how difficult for him to discuss. That may be the reason he refuses to go for diagnosis and maybe counselling.

I never ever treated him badly or never said that I will leave if he can not do this or that ( I mean I was reassuring.) Maybe that is the reason he is with me for 7 years. Similarly, I do not want to leave, I just want to reduce my stress levels and continue with him.

Meanwhile, I hope sharing how others feel and still survive within the relationship already made me feel better.... :)

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@Chejana...My beloved (Aspie) husband has also expressed via WhatsApp--not face to face--guilt, as if he feels like a failure in our marriage...Not that i pinpoint him as a failure.. Quite the contrary, i try to always be understanding and kind and compassionate and loving with his shortcomings...But he is apparently self-aware, and has said it in his own words that he is "The Problem"...I hate it when he is so harsh with himself...And i try to reason with him in order to get him out of that spiral of depression...Thank God, overtime, those incidents have become less frequent...This is why it is of utmost importance that we take care of ourselves...So that, our positive energy uplifts them in their moments of depression and/or despair...

I think he is well aware that he is very different...He has described himself as a robot...Probably because he has difficulty understanding his own emotions...And possibly, because he goes on for days without a meal due to his many sensorial issues...And maybe, because he is capable of working nonstop... :cry: :cry: :cry:

My beloved husband fails to see how a diagnosis will change him...And i tend to agree...So, at present-time, i don't pressure him to undergo an official diagnosis...Instead, i accept him as he is...But instead of telling him, i reiterate my devotion to him everyday if possible in different ways...

I am so happy that you and your husband are both determined to salvage your marriage...God will bless your marriage with peace, tranquility and love because of your strong commitment to each other... :heart: :heart: :heart: