Is marrying certain groups frowned upon in your family?
My wife looks "white", but she is Turkish. She converted to Christianity in college, but I wouldn't care if she decided to become Muslim again. Her family are practicing Muslims, but they are the kindest people, not at all dogmatic. They are little more conservative than Americans and Europeans regarding dress (her mom doesn't like her putting pictures of herself in a bathing suit on facebook) but open minded compared to the average. I don't think it would be possible for a conservative Turk to marry a conservative American.
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I think he may have at least had the beanie cannot remember if he had a scarf or not, but yeah he hated our cold weather in colorado during the summer. I mean for sure on hot summer days I feel it gets too hot here, and on those days he was still complaining of how cold it was. I don't want to make it sound like all he did was complain because he was in good humor about it but yeah he thought we were all insane wearing shorts and stuff in what he thought was colder weather. Like I think he enjoyed the experince of like coming to america as a foreign exchange student but if I had to guess he probably did not decide to move here because it was too cold.
TBH cold climates are not that big a deal if you have indoor heating in your car and house.
I did the reverse, moved from freezing cold Melbourne to live in Malaysia for 3 years....365 days a year of 90+ F degrees every day + 100% humidity. Walking outside mean't I had to have a shower every time I came back indoors.
Well I mean he was probably fine inside, but yeah he certainly commented on how crazy we were for like wearing shorts and stuff cause he still thought it felt cold outside. I mean perhaps he could have acclimated but he was just a foreign exchange kinda student so he wasn't going to be here that long either way. but while he was around it was cool or at least I appreciated his slide-show about where he was from.
Interesting....I always thought Australians were the only ones crazy enough to wear shorts in winter.
Well it wasn't winter at least not to us coloradans it was spring going into summer, but he dressed like it was winter. granted some colorado people think shorts and a hoodie is ok wear for snow outside but that is not super typical but you will see it from time to time.
Here in Melbourne every inner city male wears a Katmandu fleecy jacket with knee high shorts and colarado boots in winter, real predictable
Well perhaps some people in colorado would be better off dressing that way in the winter. seriously while living in denver and taking the buses there would be so many people with no proper winter clothes, like at times I felt I was the odd one for actually dressing for the weather. Whereas others mostly seemed dressed autumn or early spring whereas I was sitting there thinking what the hell is wrong with these people at least bring a winter jacket like I was wearing one I couldn't understand why other people weren't. Though from what I see lately maybe some of those people just couldn't afford a winter jacket because there have always been homeless there but it has increased a lot in the past few years while Trump was president.
But that is not totally it like there are places homeless people could at least get a jacket, and a lot of times it was just like younger people who were dressed like they probably could afford better winter clothes but just foregoing that to complain of the cold in the winter. It's like yeah we have winter here, it get's cold during that time and just a hoodie probably will not keep you warm enough.
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FWIW I consider Turks to be white people, although I certainly don't want to think that saying somebody is white should be seen as some sort of positive judgment.
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Traditional Middle Eastern/Asian families are often tribal hence kinda racist when it comes to marriage.
Those who get frowned upon for marrying of someone of another group (another religion, or sect, or even another clan) would surely be frowned upon for marrying someone of another “race”, especially if she/he of a poorer country.
My parents are kinda of in that regard, my brother is engaged to a local Christian gal and they have no issue with it, nor her Christian mother had any issue with it either (well her deceased father was a Muslim, so that’s not surprising). But I am not entirely surely if they would like the idea of one of us marrying an African or east Asian, it never happened to find out.
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Turks are Whites.
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In Arabic culture the name for blacks is Abedi which means slave doesn't it?
Kaffir is the one I've seen, but in some contexts it means infidel and doesn't have the racial implication (afaik).
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Turks are Whites.
That's quite variable.
Is Cenk Uygur white by most American's standards?
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In Arabic culture the name for blacks is Abedi which means slave doesn't it?
No, the name for blacks is Sawda, which means black.
Racist Arabs call blacks Zenj and Abed, which both are pejoratives for slave.
However saying Arabs call blacks Abed and Zenj is like saying the name for blacks is Ni**er because whites say it.
Dont conflate the racists as being indicative of the entire culture
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Turks are Whites.
That's quite variable.
Is Cenk Uygur white by most American's standards?
Turk has 2 definitions:
A member of the actual ethnic group of Central Asian nomadic warriors who traveled westwards, called Turks by ethnographers and historians, or those living in modern Turkey
The issue with calling Turks white or non-white is which definition of Turk we adopt. If we adopt the definition 1 of the nomadic tribes who migrated westward and who were part of the Central Asian steppe culture then no, Turks arent white but Asian the way Mongols are.
However, by definition 2 Turks can be white since according to geneticists who study Anatolia the actual Turkish gene contribution into Anatolia was minimal; yes most people living in Turkey today still have the same DNA from the original Hellenistic people who inhabited Anatolia. The Turks diffused their language, culture and religion more than they did their genes.
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Turks are Whites.
That's quite variable.
Is Cenk Uygur white by most American's standards?
Turk has 2 definitions:
A member of the actual ethnic group of Central Asian nomadic warriors who traveled westwards, called Turks by ethnographers and historians, or those living in modern Turkey
The issue with calling Turks white or non-white is which definition of Turk we adopt. If we adopt the definition 1 of the nomadic tribes who migrated westward and who were part of the Central Asian steppe culture then no, Turks arent white but Asian the way Mongols are.
However, by definition 2 Turks can be white since according to geneticists who study Anatolia the actual Turkish gene contribution into Anatolia was minimal; yes most people living in Turkey today still have the same DNA from the original Hellenistic people who inhabited Anatolia. The Turks diffused their language, culture and religion more than they did their genes.
All of this, plus also didn't Turkic peoples tend to assimilate those they conquered so that whatever their identities were beforehand, after that point they had a shared identity.
I'd argue they make a good case against the notion that people of differing phenotypes can't form a cohesive ethnic identity.
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Sorry I saw that on a documentary on Dubai relating to the treatment of immigrant workers. The journalist referred to the come use of the term "Abed" or "Abedi" but didn't actually say it was intended as a pejorative other than it was derogatory and demeaning,
Turks are Whites.
That's quite variable.
Is Cenk Uygur white by most American's standards?
He's a funny one old Cenk. His identity is contextual as he sometimes describes himself as non-white/and or muslim in order to distinguish from the copious number of MAGAs who attack him online but he is married to a white American and often in that context identifies as a white American particularly when he talks about his children who will be identify as white when they are older.
This reminds me of Eminem who has a complicated identity but his daughter is a regular becky
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