25 Jul 2007, 4:44 pm
techstepgenr8tion
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25 Jul 2007, 5:43 pm
Crazy_Ben wrote:
The Yale girl is obviously not familiar with the world-known British autism theorist and thinker Baron-Cohen. A theory his lab at Cambridge (?) is testing as we speak is that autism genes spread by what is called in evolution theory "assortative mating." This means that there is some way you can recognize others that have copies of certain genes you have. One of them being that autistic people can often make other autistics from across a room for example. So in Baron-Cohen's theory, autism genes are stable in the gene pool because ASD sufferers marry other ASD sufferers. So simple yet would answer such questions as: why does it tend to run in families? Why is linked with ADHD? Well, they both have some genes that are cross-linked. Very fascinating stuff that distracts me from my thesis! 
The most spectacular use of "assortative mating" is in Hamilton's Kin selection theory, you would be more likely if you have some gene X for altruism to mate with someone outside your family that also shares that gene X, if you can recognize them. That's not the meat of the theory, but it explains partly how genes for altruism could spread, you recognize relatives first, then merely anybody altruistic, relative or not. Dawkins called this rather humorously the "Green beard" mating theory or something like that.
The most spectacular use of "assortative mating" is in Hamilton's Kin selection theory, you would be more likely if you have some gene X for altruism to mate with someone outside your family that also shares that gene X, if you can recognize them. That's not the meat of the theory, but it explains partly how genes for altruism could spread, you recognize relatives first, then merely anybody altruistic, relative or not. Dawkins called this rather humorously the "Green beard" mating theory or something like that.I know what your saying but at the same time, the reality of that really worries me. When people are so owned by pride that they won't date outside of that (or in many people's cases can't because of where society puts them) I'd almost think its like inbreeding - its making the human race even less healthy and almost freakish in its divisions. Maybe I'm wrong but I almost think of it like pure breeds with dogs vs. mutts, you see where while one fits the bill of what people want they're constantly taking them to the vets because as they try to accentuate the traits the results are less and less functional.
And yeah, its not to say I wouldn't date or marry a woman on spectrum - but I would have my concerns about having kids with her.
25 Jul 2007, 8:20 pm
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26 Jul 2007, 12:51 pm
Well ... I am a happily married man with a VERY understanding and patient wife plus two teenage kids.
In fact , never been happier , we dated , got engaged EXACTLY a year after meeting , got married EXACTLY two years after the engagement and lived happily married for the past 26 years - 7 months - 20 days - ROUGHLY 
I guess I just met the RIGHT person at the RIGHT time ! !??
We hit it off immediately ... we both came from LOVING families, we had the SAME records in our respective collections , we BOTH loved animals - I took my Irish Red Setter on our FIRST date ( picnic in country ) and the rest is history
Simple .... just be yourself and it will all fall into place.
Zincubus
26 Jul 2007, 11:52 pm
Icarus_Falling wrote:
From: A long shadow is lifted on Asperger's in adults
Of course, my humble opinion is that Kathy needs a good slap upside the head. [I couldn't do it though; chivalry. Female volunteers?]
I love defying definition. Or, as Will put it:
"We defy augury!" - Hamlet
Good fortune,
- Icarus
Quote:
"Almost by definition, an Asperger's person would not form an intimate relationship, get married and have children," says research scientist Katherine Tsatsanis of the Yale Developmental Disabilities Clinic. "They don't form connections. The desire, the drive and the social knowledge is lacking."
Of course, my humble opinion is that Kathy needs a good slap upside the head. [I couldn't do it though; chivalry. Female volunteers?]
I love defying definition. Or, as Will put it:
"We defy augury!" - Hamlet
Good fortune,
- Icarus
We all know that's BS. People with AS are obviously breeding and will continue to to breed (hence our existence). We will also continue to get married. Besides, if half of all marriages end in divorce now, then how can a person with AS do any worse than the status quo?
27 Jul 2007, 12:04 am
Lonermutant wrote:
Icarus_Falling wrote:
From: A long shadow is lifted on Asperger's in adults
Of course, my humble opinion is that Kathy needs a good slap upside the head. [I couldn't do it though; chivalry. Female volunteers?]
Quote:
"Almost by definition, an Asperger's person would not form an intimate relationship, get married and have children," says research scientist Katherine Tsatsanis of the Yale Developmental Disabilities Clinic. "They don't form connections. The desire, the drive and the social knowledge is lacking."
Of course, my humble opinion is that Kathy needs a good slap upside the head. [I couldn't do it though; chivalry. Female volunteers?]
Aspie Women marry, Aspie men are looked upon as ret*ds.
Really? Lots of women say I'm hot
27 Jul 2007, 3:12 am
Space wrote:
Lonermutant wrote:
Icarus_Falling wrote:
From: A long shadow is lifted on Asperger's in adults
Of course, my humble opinion is that Kathy needs a good slap upside the head. [I couldn't do it though; chivalry. Female volunteers?]
Quote:
"Almost by definition, an Asperger's person would not form an intimate relationship, get married and have children," says research scientist Katherine Tsatsanis of the Yale Developmental Disabilities Clinic. "They don't form connections. The desire, the drive and the social knowledge is lacking."
Of course, my humble opinion is that Kathy needs a good slap upside the head. [I couldn't do it though; chivalry. Female volunteers?]
Aspie Women marry, Aspie men are looked upon as ret*ds.
Really? Lots of women say I'm hot
Not if you're on my level of the spectrum.
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27 Jul 2007, 10:03 am
Icarus_Falling wrote:
From: A long shadow is lifted on Asperger's in adults
Of course, my humble opinion is that Kathy needs a good slap upside the head. [I couldn't do it though; chivalry. Female volunteers?]
I love defying definition. Or, as Will put it:
"We defy augury!" - Hamlet
Good fortune,
- Icarus
Quote:
"Almost by definition, an Asperger's person would not form an intimate relationship, get married and have children," says research scientist Katherine Tsatsanis of the Yale Developmental Disabilities Clinic. "They don't form connections. The desire, the drive and the social knowledge is lacking."
Of course, my humble opinion is that Kathy needs a good slap upside the head. [I couldn't do it though; chivalry. Female volunteers?]
I love defying definition. Or, as Will put it:
"We defy augury!" - Hamlet
Good fortune,
- Icarus
I think we should send Katherine Tsatsanis a tally of people with Asperger's who are married or with someone and/or have children. I have seen plenty of aspies on this site who have one and/or have children as well. So I think she actually needs to do more research, and we could help her
I resent the fact that she said that desire and drive are lacking from us though. This makes us out to be like robots. In fact, I think many of us have drive and desires from what I've seen here on WP, but just cannot express them in the same way as those without Asperger's. And yes some of us can form connections, it just takes us longer as our social skills are not the greatest (the only thing I agree with that she said) in the world.
27 Jul 2007, 10:08 am
Space wrote:
Really? Lots of women say I'm hot
Apparently, women are under the impression that I should be popular with women... which shows how much they know about women.
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