Skjald wrote:
kraftiekortie wrote:
I used to know a few people who were Goths (before the term Goth was adopted---they were known as "New Wave" or "punk" types back in the late 70s).
I never got along with them. They thought I was too "square," unworthy of their attention. They tended to be cynical and to have a dark view of the world, without much evidence for this.
It's true, though, that there are Goth types who do not reflect the stereotype.
That hasn’t been my experience with goths at all.
Then again I wasn’t even alive in the 70’s (I am a 90’s kid) so maybe there were/are different folks in the subculture when I was a teen and now compared to the 70's.
The Goths I mixed with, almost 40 years ago *were* very melancholy.
It got tiresome, in the end.
Skjald wrote:
While I am, as I mentioned before, not a goth myself I have come into contact with a lot of them during the years since they shared the limited alternative spaces that existed in the town I grew up in back then so there were quiet some goths in the metal pub I used to go to on a regular basis and they just integrated fine, listened to and talked about music with us and had fun. You also often run into them at events like medieval markets for instance.
It is also important to keep in mind that under the umbrella of goths there are a dozen different types, different music, different styles etc. You have for example romantic types who are often into everything Victorian and have romanticist values (far from nihilism) then you have Cyber-Goths (not nihilistic either but entirely different), there are worlds between those.
Same with metal. It ranges from power metal to black metal. The nihilism stereotype would definitely, actually fit the second wave of black metal specifically very well but when one applies it to a musician or fan of the subgenres of power metal or folk metal for instance it becomes entirely baseless and ridiculous even.
Subcultures also, like any cultures, change and grow throughout time and with the new people who influence them.
You are right.
This is not a "binary" situation.