Approaching someone in public
When people sit next to each other for a plane ride, they already have something in common and they are more likely to have a "natural" conversation. A festival, just like a bar, is a fun place where people "naturally" hang out and socialize.
Men who just walk up to you on the street out of nowhere are creepy, though. As women, we are not stupid. We know it is 100% based on looks and I really want to be able to walk the streets without being treated as prey. I think a lot of men don't realize that women are instinctively defensive outside. We are always alert, especially for men. Men we don't know can be very intimidating if they approach us when we are outside all alone. That's why I would first try to earn a woman's trust. Once a woman puts you in the "creepy" category, it's done.
I am not saying you need to be best friends with a woman first, or have known her for years. But try to make her feel at ease before you ask her out.
This is exactly what I'm trying to convey as well! I hope these gentlemen are willing to listen to our perspectives, it might help them.
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When people sit next to each other for a plane ride, they already have something in common and they are more likely to have a "natural" conversation. A festival, just like a bar, is a fun place where people "naturally" hang out and socialize.
Men who just walk up to you on the street out of nowhere are creepy, though. As women, we are not stupid. We know it is 100% based on looks and I really want to be able to walk the streets without being treated as prey. I think a lot of men don't realize that women are instinctively defensive outside. We are always alert, especially for men. Men we don't know can be very intimidating if they approach us when we are outside all alone. That's why I would first try to earn a woman's trust. Once a woman puts you in the "creepy" category, it's done.
I am not saying you need to be best friends with a woman first, or have known her for years. But try to make her feel at ease before you ask her out.
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It just seems normal to me given the general size difference, frequent difference in strength, and high rates of sexual harassment and worse women experience. Most women have experienced sexual harassment at some point in their lives. Most of us at least know people who’ve experienced sexual violence. It makes sense that women would often be wary, uncomfortable, anxious, etc. when they’re asked out by complete strangers.
I sat next to a woman on a 10hr plane trip from Asia. I was single back then and could not believe my luck, she was a 10 out 10 drop dead gorgeous. I didn't realistically fancy my chances but (as creepy as it sounds) she was my captive audience for 10hrs! I struck up a conversation and weird thing was she was not only a microbiologist she even studied and was in my same class back in Melbourne! despite having that in common, she was very careful not to lead me on and kept dropping her boyfriend's name in conversation. She also wasn't that keen to talk (in the era before mobile phones and laptops she pulled out a novel so she could pretend to be busy).
Weirdly (Like an episode of the Manifest) this happened to me a 2nd time a year later, I sat next to another attractive female microbiologist on a plane (but she was from New Zealand). the 2nd one was actually single but she kept ending every conversation we had with "It's so wonderful making new friends, it's just a pity we will never see each other again"
We men get the message I think this has been repeated here several times by several posters. Of course there will always be the red-pill men and those who are extroverts who think this is still ok. I teach my daughter several ways to evade male attention on public transport but fortunately she's a total tom-boy so doesn't attract too much male attention except when she wears shorts in warmer weather.
We men get the message I think this has been repeated here several times by several posters.
It’s been repeated because many fail to get the message. New members could (and do) benefit from it as well.
We men get the message I think this has been repeated here several times by several posters. Of course there will always be the red-pill men and those who are extroverts who think this is still ok. I teach my daughter several ways to evade male attention on public transport but fortunately she's a total tom-boy so doesn't attract too much male attention except when she wears shorts in warmer weather.
It's not your daughter's job to "evade" attention or change what she wears so she won't be considered prey. It's everyone's job to teach their sons not to treat girls and women as flesh candy, and to be legally / morally accountable for the times when they do.
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We men get the message I think this has been repeated here several times by several posters.
It’s been repeated because many fail to get the message. New members could (and do) benefit from it as well.
I'm wondering if there should be a sticky thread on guidelines including sending unsolicited messages to female members on WP? isn't that creepy too?
We men get the message I think this has been repeated here several times by several posters. Of course there will always be the red-pill men and those who are extroverts who think this is still ok. I teach my daughter several ways to evade male attention on public transport but fortunately she's a total tom-boy so doesn't attract too much male attention except when she wears shorts in warmer weather.
It's not your daughter's job to "evade" attention or change what she wears so she won't be considered prey. It's everyone's job to teach their sons not to treat girls and women as flesh candy, and to be legally / morally accountable for the times when they do.
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The problem isn’t just PMs but sexist threads and posts which outline problematic attitudes and behaviors towards women on and offline.
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The problem isn’t just PMs but sexist threads and posts which outline problematic attitudes and behaviors towards women on and offline.
So like "I can't find a GF" Vs "women are..." is that what you mean?
thanks, and yes, I am (have always been) an ally on the issue of women not getting hit on because I have a 19 yr old daughter who spends all her free time roaming Melbourne.
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The problem isn’t just PMs but sexist threads and posts which outline problematic attitudes and behaviors towards women on and offline.
So like "I can't find a GF" Vs "women are..." is that what you mean?
It’s a bit difficult answering that because sexism on WP has always been a big problem. I actually think it’s a lot better than it used to be (thank you CF), but it’s still an issue.
Some things:
- Sexist generalizations.
- Claims that women have it easier.
- Mansplaining.
- Rating women’s bodies.
- Sexually objectifying language.
- Ignoring female input about women.
- Dismissive or invalidating language about women’s concerns, especially related to sexual violence.
- Sexual PMs.
- Not taking no for an answer/subsequent harassment
Stuff like that.
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@cyberdad,
I'd be nervous about your daughter wandering about Melbourne, not because she's doing anything wrong but because many people/men are impulsive and might try to take advantage. I have no problem with parents teaching their daughters about street smarts and self-defence but I believe most of the education should be geared toward our sons.
I say this as the mother of a beautiful, headstrong autistic daughter who goes to restaurants, concerts, and movies by herself. She flew to California alone and stayed by herself in AirBnbs. She drove out to the desert by herself. She visits her girlfriend on another continent by herself. She does a lot that would have terrified me at her age and it terrifies me sometimes as her mother, but at the end of the day I'm proud she lives her life on her own terms.
I also raised two boys who know what I'd do if they ever assaulted or objectified a girl or woman.
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We men get the message I think this has been repeated here several times by several posters. Of course there will always be the red-pill men and those who are extroverts who think this is still ok. I teach my daughter several ways to evade male attention on public transport but fortunately she's a total tom-boy so doesn't attract too much male attention except when she wears shorts in warmer weather.
Don't you see how problematic your post is? You're not an ally, as you're claiming in another post. This is very sexist.
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