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10 Sep 2007, 7:48 pm

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I think I need to graduate to something slightly less specific but my avoidance would find a general site a little bit too much.


One thing I really like about plentyoffish is that when you list your interests, if anyone else has the same interest it becomes a hyperlink. Click on it and you'll find all the other people who have that interest.

At one point, one of my interests was shared by only one person. Now there are two. :)



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10 Sep 2007, 7:50 pm

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From aspieaffection.com:

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Total Male Members: 552
Total Female Members: 170


Yeah, but how many of those guys (1) have a pic and (2) take the initiative to contact girls?

If you do both those things, you'll stand out.



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10 Sep 2007, 7:52 pm

juliekitty wrote:

One thing I really like about plentyoffish is that when you list your interests, if anyone else has the same interest it becomes a hyperlink. Click on it and you'll find all the other people who have that interest.

At one point, one of my interests was shared by only one person. Now there are two. :)


There was something similar on OKCupid,
but I only found TWO people with my interest,
and both were male. And this is something which
is my major motivating obsession in life.

That's why one needs someone trainable.



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10 Sep 2007, 8:10 pm

juliekitty wrote:
Coyote27 wrote:
From aspieaffection.com:

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Total Male Members: 552
Total Female Members: 170


Yeah, but how many of those guys (1) have a pic and (2) take the initiative to contact girls?

If you do both those things, you'll stand out.


Welll.... there's a total of ONE girl in my location and age group on there... and she doesn't seem like someone I'd be compatible with. She's kinda cute though.

-shrug-

I've learned recently that long-distance relationships aren't the way to go.



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11 Sep 2007, 1:30 am

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^^ online dating is a waste of time for many guys but obviously not a waste of time for girls . The boys:girls ratio on dating site are always around 4:1 . Guys are always much much more . That's why it is well-knowns that girl get hundreds of emails and requests on dating sites while most guys get zero.


That is simply a reflection of the way it is in real life.

That is why if you're a guy, you actually have to make a real effort instead of posting a vague, two-sentence or long and hostile profile and a blurry pic, then contacting three women without success, and then giving up and complaining that online dating is useless.

I have gone on a pretty fair number of dates with average-looking guys who made themselves attractive to me by a great profile, a good approach, or listing compatible interests.

I ignore guys, even hot guys, who say "hey babe", and then I check their profile and it says "too many interests to list, contact me if you want to know more". LAME

It's like applying for a desirable job but instead of sending a resume and cover letter, you scribble "i wouldn't mind this job" on a scrap of paper, scrunch it into a ball and throw it in the general direction of the mailing address!


A typical female reaction , when you talk them about facts about online dating world they blame the guys instead (and sous-entendu they blame you)....and they start blablabing pff :P "oh it's your fault guys " , " you are the losers guys " ," you need to use your magic to attract us online" , " you are not doing much effort guys" , " it's all guys' fault " , " you must write an interesting biography book on your profile, guys" , "stop complaining guys , it's your fault" ," we girls on these sites are DIAMONDS , so you guys need to make 24/7 effort in writing your profiles/emails in order to get little of our attention ...hihi" ..etc etc etc etc.

There's an lebanese saying : "the one in water can't be the same of the one in fire"

So it's easy for you to give the guys lectures and lessons about getting dates thro online dating since you have no difficulty at all in getting responses in dating sites and even getting dates ....but I am sure that your reaction would be very different if you get 0 response and 0 date all the time from dating sites .


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That is simply a reflection of the way it is in real life.

No miss julie , it 's NOT a reflection of the real life ...there's much less fish in the sea of the online dating. So it's very NATURAL that many guys won't get any fish as long the number of fish are much less than the number of fishermen :P .

Btw , I don't use dating sites ...but I can predict its results with some logic. And usually I don't like post my pics on the net unless if i am asked on msn or in pm...paranoid, I know.

And oh....asian girls are cute . Get over it :P



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11 Sep 2007, 5:43 am

juliekitty wrote:
Coyote27 wrote:
From aspieaffection.com:

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Total Male Members: 552
Total Female Members: 170


Yeah, but how many of those guys (1) have a pic and (2) take the initiative to contact girls?

If you do both those things, you'll stand out.


there are plenty of girls online with no pic and a profile that is practicvally blank, so it works both ways (why would I contact them?). don't get me started about aspieaffection, the only contact i ever had with another membre was an attempted scam.


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11 Sep 2007, 6:04 am

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irl in most places there is a similar number of men and women to start with.


The dynamic's still the same.

I've been working in the same place for a year. Three men at work have asked me out in that time.

I highly doubt that any of them have been asked out by three women at work in the last year.

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so my view is that if you're male, unless you live a city of several million, or look like an Adonis, are a CEO or are hugely above-average in some way, even the free sites aren't worth it.


Even if you're right that the chances are slim, it costs nothing to give it a go.

If it's true there are no single women where you live, you may have to go further afield. I'll happily respond to decent approaches from guys in other cities -- but they'd have to travel to me.


the dynamic may be similar (guy has to initiate contact) but again, irl, theoretically there's a similar number of males and females (except among the elderly and other such special cases). the average guy will find someone if he initiates contact and doesn't live in Bristol. online, even if every single female found someone, the vast majority of guys are left with nothing simply due to the gender imbalance, even if they initiate contact.
trying online dating with no success is a recipe for frustration, even if it has no financial cost.
frankly i don't see the point in initiating long distance relationships - it kind of negates the whole point of the relastionship (no, i don't just mean sex)


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11 Sep 2007, 9:39 am

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A typical female reaction


Now there's a great way to start your argument!

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when you talk them about facts about online dating world they blame the guys instead (and sous-entendu they blame you)


It's got nothing to do with blame. I'm talking about how guys can deal with the reality of the situation.

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we girls on these sites are DIAMONDS , so you guys need to make 24/7 effort in writing your profiles/emails in order to get little of our attention


Sadly, that's pretty much how it is. I'm suggesting adaptation as a response, rather than whinging and misogyny.

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So it's easy for you to give the guys lectures and lessons about getting dates thro online dating since you have no difficulty at all in getting responses in dating sites and even getting dates


Exactly. That, combined with the complaints of the guys, is what gives me my awareness of THE WAY THINGS ARE

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it's not a reflection of the real life ...there's much less fish in the sea of the online dating.


It's a reflection of real life in that guys have to make the effort! The number of men and women is pretty much equally balanced in my workplace. Yet the guys are making the moves, not the girls. That's life... get over it!

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And oh....asian girls are cute . Get over it :P


I don't have a problem with girls of any race. It's morons who drive me nuts.



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11 Sep 2007, 9:43 am

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the vast majority of guys are left with nothing simply due to the gender imbalance, even if they initiate contact.


It's not that I don't understand this point.

What I'm saying is that so many of the guys who ARE online have such bad profiles and approach women so rudely, that if you have a good profile and approach nicely, you'll stand out and improve your chances.

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frankly i don't see the point in initiating long distance relationships - it kind of negates the whole point of the relastionship (no, i don't just mean sex)


Well, the idea is that if it works out, one of you will move.



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11 Sep 2007, 12:39 pm

but as i said, there are plenty of girls that have practically blank profiles (list nothing under interests, a one liner in their description, etc). juliekitty, i realise you understand the gender imbalance thing, but just to illustrate my point:

on plentyoffish, within 10 miles of Bristol:
20 to 30: 498 females looking for males, 700+ males loking for females

22 to 26: 252 females looking for males, 502 males looking for females

if we restrict to users with no children, using the 2nd age range:
139 females looking for males, 381 males looking for females

using the 2nd age range, only profiles with pics (no restriction on kids):
142 females loking for males, 314 males looking for females

note that the ratio is similar if you eliminate both males and females with no pics. in fact, there are more males with pics than all female users in the same age and location range. of course a full profile, politeness will improve your chances, but even so they're pretty low unless there's something exceptionally attractive about you.
i'm with you, however, on what you say about ethnicity preferences. at least, i have seen girls of many different ethnicities that I have found attractive. i woudl say that, for example, statistically Italian girls tend to be more attractive to me than anglosaxon ones, but that doesn't mean I'd automatically prefer an Italian girl, it would depend entirely on the girl, so going for an anglosaxon girl wouldn't necessarily be 'settling' (nor would an Italian girl automatically be attractive), so I wouldn't say i have a thing for Italian girls. i don't put an ethnicity preference on these sites - unfortunately, another issue is that most girls around here put a preference for white, black or either one, and I fall in neither category.


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11 Sep 2007, 2:22 pm

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we girls on these sites are DIAMONDS , so you guys need to make 24/7 effort in writing your profiles/emails in order to get little of our attention


Sadly, that's pretty much how it is. I'm suggesting adaptation as a response, rather than whinging and misogyny.



switching to my feminine side : Awww isn't cute if a guy makes an effort 24/7 on the dating site by improving the quality of his profile and pm just to increase slightly the chance of finding the girl of his life? isn't cute when a guy put all his efforts to 'adapt' in order to attract the girl ? Awwww








Ok back to my masculine side : spare me the crap ! shall you ?

Let me remind you that guys are also HUMANS and PERSONS so that means that they have OTHER concerns in life than finding a genius way to attract your gender on dating sites.






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It's a reflection of real life in that guys have to make the effort! The number of men and women is pretty much equally balanced in my workplace. Yet the guys are making the moves, not the girls. That's life... get over it!


we are talking about number balancing which is no-existent in online dating .


My whole point is that online dating is a BAD advice to give to neanthuman and to any aspie guy and probably would be a big waste of time and money for the guys but it 's a perfect advice for an aspie girl seeking for a date . So go for it julie I wish you luck.



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11 Sep 2007, 7:00 pm

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Whoever said college is an idiot. ... College sucks.


Try sitting around outside,
looking really unique.

You meet people.


Oh, you mean like everyone on the face of the god damn world does all the time? I could look as unique as I possibly can and the odds of someone choosing to talk to me are still only like 1/5000.



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11 Sep 2007, 7:40 pm

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but as i said, there are plenty of girls that have practically blank profiles (list nothing under interests, a one liner in their description, etc).


The thing is, because of the numbers, they can get away with it.

Note that I never said this was fair.

(FYI, I've put quite a bit of time into my own profile, and have very nice pix on it taken from several different angles. However, there's no doubt that even if neither of those things were true, simply being female would get me SOME responses, though not as many.)



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11 Sep 2007, 7:49 pm

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My whole point is that online dating is a BAD advice to give to neanthuman and to any aspie guy and probably would be a big waste of time and money for the guys


First of all, if you had been paying attention instead of simply spluttering with rage, you would have noticed that I very strongly discouraged using paid sites, so it couldn't possibly be a waste of money to follow my advice.

Second, I agree it is bad advice for YOU, since you are outraged by the very idea of putting effort into your profile; and I doubt you could hide your hostility against women long enough not to scare any girl away.

However, I think it's good advice for aspies who are willing to put some time into it, and willing to accept that the numbers aren't in their favour.

Yes, there's a lot of competition, but it's worth a shot. I would never, ever have met my last two boyfriends offline. Also, many aspies communicate more easily online than they do in person.



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11 Sep 2007, 7:50 pm

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Whoever said college is an idiot. ... College sucks.

Im so hurt :roll:
Also, I agree that college sucks, but for someone with social ability it would be probably one of the best places to find single females. Plus the age range is vast.



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11 Sep 2007, 8:37 pm

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calandale wrote:
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Whoever said college is an idiot. ... College sucks.


Try sitting around outside,
looking really unique.

You meet people.


Oh, you mean like everyone on the face of the god damn world does all the time? I could look as unique as I possibly can and the odds of someone choosing to talk to me are still only like 1/5000.


No. I said unique.
Works for me. You
just have to push it
further. Costume, my
friend, costume.