why do guys want to be the alpha male?
There are negative alpha males.
There are positive omega males (omega males is a term Icarusfalling used and it fits)
There are negative omega males.
Positive alpha males will take the initiative based on superficial traits, have charm and use their positive traits to get notice and if turned down at first won't sulk but try again either with same female or another. They also if it is very clear they are not wanted around will not crowd someone's personal space. They don't hold resentment towards the female but moves on.
Negative alpha males. They don't take no for an answer, even a blunt no and will sometimes force a woman to comply or slip ruphies in her drink. They are aggressive in a bad way and often hate women because they feel that every woman must say yes to them. These women in the negative alpha male's mind deserve to be taken advantage of for looking pretty.
Positive omega males. Analyze their potential mate. Sometimes they will psyche themselves out at first but then just go ahead and gather the nerve and will strike up an intelligent conversation. If rejected at first, it may need someone else's pep talk to cheer them up and try again but if it's an obvious blunt get the hell away, they go back to their corner to scope and analyze the next possible mate before deciding to approach or not approach.
Negative omega males. They sulk, don't bother trying and if they do try hate all women if not successful at first. Blame all problems on women and how awful they are. Then the negative omega male will not put forth any effort on their part to change some aspects and harbor resentment for women.
What makes a positive omega male, positive? He tries. He doesn't hiss and curse women if not successful but at least he tries.
Some women don't mind being hunted after for superficial reasons and other women do mind and get insulted for the lack of display of intelligence.
Unlike what people tend to think, there are intelligent pretty females and perhaps some of you really want Jenny Mccarthy type females but can you think about the deeper root of your cause to find a mate? Think about what is on the inside too because men seem to obsess a little too much about what is on the outside in comparisson to women finding males.
Women are more attractive naturally but that sucks. It sucks because females that have more to offer than bubbly personalities and blonde fluffy hair have a difficult time when they went against the normal stereotypical genderly correct crap which is way off and have to deal with men freaking out because they have something on the inside.
What do you want on the outside? Is it a real obtainable goal?
What do you want on the inside? Can both of you handle it?
So Alpha versus Omega is really just a personality versus looks thing? Why assume that men only look for one or the other? Why not just realise that both are important to varying degrees? Gah some people really are too attached to labels.
No it's not a personality versus looks thing. Maybe I misread your question but this was just expalining the differences in approaches and outlooks.
I'm female. If I met a guy talking badly about women all the time, I would not want to be around that person. If I met a guy talking about how inferior women are and how they deserve to be treated like dirt, umm nope not hanging around.
I don't like that piss poor attitude. I'm picky like that. I'm sure alot of women are actually. It's a big turn off. No woman sits there and thinks "Yeah I want a guy who will treat me like dirt and make me feel stupid."
Men who do that are worthless in my opinion. We would not get along. It's a clash of interests and I don't need someone around who refuses to accept that there are intelligent women or creative women.
It's a defense. Women can be more defensive than guys. Why? We get approached more, it's still the animal kingdom and we have to have that trust involved unless it's purely superficial animal attraction but picking someone to actually be around takes alot more.
How do I know this guy isn't a serial killer?
Can I trust him?
How do I know he just doesn't want to invite me over so he can steal my lipstick?
What is this person looking for?
Women have to protect themselves and their lipsticks too. You just never know when that singer from my chemical romance is going to invite you on a date to steal your eyeliner.
You have to set limits.
There are negative alpha males.
There are positive omega males (omega males is a term Icarusfalling used and it fits)
There are negative omega males.
Positive alpha males will take the initiative based on superficial traits, have charm and use their positive traits to get notice and if turned down at first won't sulk but try again either with same female or another. They also if it is very clear they are not wanted around will not crowd someone's personal space. They don't hold resentment towards the female but moves on.
Negative alpha males. They don't take no for an answer, even a blunt no and will sometimes force a woman to comply or slip ruphies in her drink. They are aggressive in a bad way and often hate women because they feel that every woman must say yes to them. These women in the negative alpha male's mind deserve to be taken advantage of for looking pretty.
Positive omega males. Analyze their potential mate. Sometimes they will psyche themselves out at first but then just go ahead and gather the nerve and will strike up an intelligent conversation. If rejected at first, it may need someone else's pep talk to cheer them up and try again but if it's an obvious blunt get the hell away, they go back to their corner to scope and analyze the next possible mate before deciding to approach or not approach.
Negative omega males. They sulk, don't bother trying and if they do try hate all women if not successful at first. Blame all problems on women and how awful they are. Then the negative omega male will not put forth any effort on their part to change some aspects and harbor resentment for women.
What makes a positive omega male, positive? He tries. He doesn't hiss and curse women if not successful but at least he tries.
Some women don't mind being hunted after for superficial reasons and other women do mind and get insulted for the lack of display of intelligence.
Unlike what people tend to think, there are intelligent pretty females and perhaps some of you really want Jenny Mccarthy type females but can you think about the deeper root of your cause to find a mate? Think about what is on the inside too because men seem to obsess a little too much about what is on the outside in comparisson to women finding males.
Women are more attractive naturally but that sucks. It sucks because females that have more to offer than bubbly personalities and blonde fluffy hair have a difficult time when they went against the normal stereotypical genderly correct crap which is way off and have to deal with men freaking out because they have something on the inside.
What do you want on the outside? Is it a real obtainable goal?
What do you want on the inside? Can both of you handle it?
So Alpha versus Omega is really just a personality versus looks thing? Why assume that men only look for one or the other? Why not just realise that both are important to varying degrees? Gah some people really are too attached to labels.
No it's not a personality versus looks thing. Maybe I misread your question but this was just expalining the differences in approaches and outlooks.
I'm female. If I met a guy talking badly about women all the time, I would not want to be around that person. If I met a guy talking about how inferior women are and how they deserve to be treated like dirt, umm nope not hanging around.
I don't like that piss poor attitude. I'm picky like that. I'm sure alot of women are actually. It's a big turn off. No woman sits there and thinks "Yeah I want a guy who will treat me like dirt and make me feel stupid."
Men who do that are worthless in my opinion. We would not get along. It's a clash of interests and I don't need someone around who refuses to accept that there are intelligent women or creative women.
It's a defense. Women can be more defensive than guys. Why? We get approached more, it's still the animal kingdom and we have to have that trust involved unless it's purely superficial animal attraction but picking someone to actually be around takes alot more.
How do I know this guy isn't a serial killer?
Can I trust him?
How do I know he just doesn't want to invite me over so he can steal my lipstick?
What is this person looking for?
Women have to protect themselves and their lipsticks too. You just never know when that singer from my chemical romance is going to invite you on a date to steal your eyeliner.
You have to set limits.
Once again somebody has completely missed my point. It's wrong to label men based on what they're thinking, or in this case label men based on how you interpret their actions.
And so your way of knowing who is dangerous and who isn't is handing out arbitary labels? Life isn't perfect, you're not perfect, women and men are not perfect and neither are their ability to know who is a threat and who is not. If you truly want to know instead of profiling all kinds of people based on bias then you should actually look into the subject, find out what the symptoms of Anti Social Personality Disorder are, learn how to distinguish a bad guy from a good guy. Right now your "Good guy bad guy" thing is a pathetic attempt to protect yourself. It simply cannot take into account all the different kinds of human behaviour.
It's amazing that you admitted that it's based on looks and not actions though. One minute it's about whether a guy is ugly or not and then it changes to "I just don't want guys beating me", maybe you haven't been very clear?
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I am posting based on observations. I threw in a few jokes too. Do you really think I would carefully guard lipstick and eyeliner? Also, it wasn't just about looks. What are you getting defensive about? These labels are not to be placed on everyone's forehead, it was just to try to explain observations. If labels did not exist, how would you describe to the police what a vicious attacker looked like?
Don't you call me pathetic either. I have every right to protect myself so who are you to tell me that is pathetic?
In my mind I have distinguished good traits and bad traits. This comes with life lessons and observations. This little posting about such observations is just one little piece. I don't feel like writing a novel on wrong planet.
To me being an alpha means power. It means the ability to shape your environment and at the very least get the attention that you want from people. It also usually means taking command as well. Most do through being brash and loud and commanding attention, but it is theoretically possible for one to be feared enough to be an alpha without doing this. Command is power though so what I just said probably doesn't add much.
I want to be an alpha because I want power. Power is very useful to have and it allows one to be in some control and to feel some assurance that things will get done. Not only that but power means that other human beings will often not pity you and deep down I hate being considered pitiful. If there must be a hierarchy then I want to be at the top rather than chained at the bottom.
I think it is irrelevant what an alpha male is.
In the end you are what you are. There are many different types of male and theri are corresponding types of female.
If you like the wmoen you date, and have positive experiences then keep doing what you do. If you keep having bad experiences then maybe you should change how you approach women. And this applies visa versa to women.
Don't you call me pathetic either. I have every right to protect myself so who are you to tell me that is pathetic?
In my mind I have distinguished good traits and bad traits. This comes with life lessons and observations. This little posting about such observations is just one little piece. I don't feel like writing a novel on wrong planet.
All I said was that your label flinging was unnecessary at best, sort of like people inventing new sciences like "Numerology" and other BS. And you had to go and apparently you felt it was important to filter it through your "logic". So you can stop assuming things such as being defensive and saying that labels do not exist.
Once again you attack my argument with the assumption that I'm wrong, do you enjoy doing this? You haven't proven that any of this is helpful at any point at all, the only thing you've done is try to paint me as the bad guy or go all defensive.
No, you've looked at what may or may not be good observations and stuck labels on them to no purpose.
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"They do, but what do you think is on the radio? Meat sounds. You know how when you slap or flap meat, it makes a noise? They talk by flapping their meat at each other. They can even sing by squirting air through their meat." - Terry Bisson
I tend to think that NT males are. That's one reason I don't like them, in general.
There is no evidence to suggest animals follow anything like that.
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"They do, but what do you think is on the radio? Meat sounds. You know how when you slap or flap meat, it makes a noise? They talk by flapping their meat at each other. They can even sing by squirting air through their meat." - Terry Bisson
I tend to think that NT males are. That's one reason I don't like them, in general.
There is no evidence to suggest animals follow anything like that.
Yes, there is. For example, wolves are pack animals.
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I believe in this too; but this is a qualit that has to do with self-determination and fulfillment. The "alpha male" quality has to do with only one kind of POWER: POWER OVER OTHER PEOPLE.
Or power to just influence in general. Still, I think the value of that power really comes down to how you choose to use it. Some people who've had it real easy all their lives or sometimes people who have had abusive pasts combined with their own anger problems can easily go to the dark side - that's one of the pluses though of 'gaining' alpha status through hard work rather than having it be something you always seemed to have and didn't have much else that you needed to work at.
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You can also have that just off of quiet confidence, but that's something that usually comes from some pretty big accomplishments to where people can just look at you and tell that your a somebody.
Good point. I guess I have a lot of negative connotations with the word "power", because I feel that most people tend to use power OVER other people, not necessarily to help them, but to manipulate them into doing what the original person wants... only for their own gain.
But you have a good point. The word "power" could mean the ability to influence people... and it could be a good thing.
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Thanks!
Sounds like you need more friends like mine . I do know enough alpha NTs who are pretty altruistic about it as well and yeah, if they like what they see in someone (for the right reasons in most cases) they'll lend a hand in terms of helping you sort things out as needed.
In the end you are what you are. There are many different types of male and there are corresponding types of female.
If you like the women you date, and have positive experiences then keep doing what you do. If you keep having bad experiences then maybe you should change how you approach women. And this applies visa versa to women.
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In the end you are what you are. There are many different types of male and there are corresponding types of female.
If you like the women you date, and have positive experiences then keep doing what you do. If you keep having bad experiences then maybe you should change how you approach women. And this applies visa versa to women.
And look at what geebo said again:
It matters in some peoples cases, doesn't in others, and it has everything to do with how the world perceives you. Some people can easily get away with not worrying because they fit some common archetype real well. People who don't, generally struggle and I see it with NTs just as much.
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