Page 3 of 10 [ 146 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 ... 10  Next

ToadOfSteel
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 23 Sep 2007
Age: 36
Gender: Male
Posts: 6,157
Location: New Jersey

30 Jan 2008, 4:56 pm

D1nk0 wrote:
You see, love and sex in fact have VERY LITTLE in common with each other. Thats what a lot of NT women dont seem to get :P


LPP doesn't strike me as an NT woman... you sure about this?



Apatura
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 24 Jul 2006
Age: 51
Gender: Female
Posts: 1,332

30 Jan 2008, 5:01 pm

gwenevyn wrote:
It doesn't seem too far fetched to guess that someone who is shaking her booty at hundreds of strange men every day and getting oogled, complimented, propositioned, etc. in return might be more likely to cheat or less likely to maintain a normal, stable level of affection for her partner. It's not just that she's more likely to cheat--the nature of her job is giving out visual favors (or even forms of touching) that are normally reserved for one's romantic partner. Complete sexual monogamy is an impossibility.


I know a number of extremely nice, intelligent women who were "dancers" when they were younger, and it's something I considered doing myself but I was too shy to go through with the audition.

Being an exotic dancer is a far cry from being a prostitute or promiscuous.



LePetitPrince
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 2 Mar 2006
Gender: Female
Posts: 4,464

30 Jan 2008, 5:05 pm

Apatura wrote:
gwenevyn wrote:
It doesn't seem too far fetched to guess that someone who is shaking her booty at hundreds of strange men every day and getting oogled, complimented, propositioned, etc. in return might be more likely to cheat or less likely to maintain a normal, stable level of affection for her partner. It's not just that she's more likely to cheat--the nature of her job is giving out visual favors (or even forms of touching) that are normally reserved for one's romantic partner. Complete sexual monogamy is an impossibility.


I know a number of extremely nice, intelligent women who were "dancers" when they were younger, and it's something I considered doing myself but I was too shy to go through with the audition.

Being an exotic dancer is a far cry from being a prostitute or promiscuous.


Oh please.....in both professions the lady must use her nice nude body for living.



Apatura
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 24 Jul 2006
Age: 51
Gender: Female
Posts: 1,332

30 Jan 2008, 5:09 pm

LePetitPrince wrote:

Oh please.....in both professions the lady must use her nice nude body for living.


Most exotic dancing does not involve full nudity. Ballet dancers barely cover more as do many models. So is any woman who performs with her body or shows her body a whore? The judgment and victorianism in this thread is astonishing 8O .



LePetitPrince
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 2 Mar 2006
Gender: Female
Posts: 4,464

30 Jan 2008, 5:31 pm

Apatura wrote:
LePetitPrince wrote:

Oh please.....in both professions the lady must use her nice nude body for living.


Most exotic dancing does not involve full nudity. Ballet dancers barely cover more as do many models. So is any woman who performs with her body or shows her body a whore? The judgment and victorianism in this thread is astonishing 8O .


Oh please , don't start you too with the silly 'oh you are sexist'-accusation crap. I am sarcastic and 'rude' with guys here as much with girls.
Well exotic dancer means an artistic dancer like belly dancer but urbanely means stripper but since you used " " for "dancers" I assumed that you were referring to the second meaning.



Apatura
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 24 Jul 2006
Age: 51
Gender: Female
Posts: 1,332

30 Jan 2008, 7:28 pm

LePetitPrince wrote:
Oh please , don't start you too with the silly 'oh you are sexist'-accusation crap.


Your attitude is sexist only if you reserve it for female exotic dancers over male exotic dancers.

For the posters in this thread to make the leap that anyone who dances in an adult club is tantamount to a prostitute, and incapable of a monogamous relationship, is unreasonable and judgmental. The dancers I knew were college and grad students. They were neither sluts nor of low character.



D1nk0
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 11 Dec 2007
Age: 46
Gender: Male
Posts: 1,587

30 Jan 2008, 7:35 pm

Quote:
Most exotic dancing does not involve full nudity. Ballet dancers barely cover more as do many models. So is any woman who performs with her body or shows her body a whore?


Stripping(commonly euphemized by strippers as "exotic dancing")very often Does involve nudity apatura. Strippers arent completely nude right away but if they get tipped enough they can go into a VIP room with a patron and take it ALL off.
So what made you too shy for the audition? Having to dance in essentially your underwear? I must admit I would be REALLY SHOCKED if I encountered an aspie woman who is or has been a stripper. I dont believe for the life of me that its "immoral" or even "sleezy" to be a stripper. BTW, like I said, I Do NOT assume that dancers, even "exotic" dancers, are whores. But
the truth of the matter is that I have known guys whove been to strip clubs and a friend of mine was able to bribe a stripper(with several hundred $) to meet him after her shift where they shagged. You see, if you wanna dance with barely any clothes on but not have to go totally nude and/or interact with patrons you become a burlesque dancer. Not to mention the fact that Drug Addiction is not uncommon for women who make a career out of it. Strippers who are drug addicts often DO whore themselves out to feed their drug habit. I really like having lots of attention(as well as affection) from someone Im gonna be involved with and Im prepared to give her plenty in return. Stripping has less to do with the world of dance and more to do with the adult entertainment industry; there's a reason why they're referred to as "sex workers" :P .



ToadOfSteel
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 23 Sep 2007
Age: 36
Gender: Male
Posts: 6,157
Location: New Jersey

30 Jan 2008, 7:44 pm

Apatura wrote:
The judgment and victorianism in this thread is astonishing 8O .

Not so astonishing as some other similar threads on other boards where all-out flamewars have started... I've seen that happen.

LePetitPrince wrote:
Oh please , don't start you too with the silly 'oh you are sexist'-accusation crap. I am sarcastic and 'rude' with guys here as much with girls.

I think we've established that fact already.



gwenevyn
l'esprit de l'escalier
l'esprit de l'escalier

User avatar

Joined: 6 May 2007
Age: 42
Gender: Female
Posts: 5,443

31 Jan 2008, 12:08 am

Apatura wrote:
gwenevyn wrote:
It doesn't seem too far fetched to guess that someone who is shaking her booty at hundreds of strange men every day and getting oogled, complimented, propositioned, etc. in return might be more likely to cheat or less likely to maintain a normal, stable level of affection for her partner. It's not just that she's more likely to cheat--the nature of her job is giving out visual favors (or even forms of touching) that are normally reserved for one's romantic partner. Complete sexual monogamy is an impossibility.


I know a number of extremely nice, intelligent women who were "dancers" when they were younger, and it's something I considered doing myself but I was too shy to go through with the audition.

Being an exotic dancer is a far cry from being a prostitute or promiscuous.


I'm sorry, it seems like we've had a miscommunication. I'm not saying that strippers are by definition horrid, awful people. Not at all! But the nature of their work is sexual and it is performed with and in front of many, many people. I think this act by itself is promiscuous. If Fred and Suzie are in a relationship and Suzie regularly gives a sexy lap dance to Kyle, are Fred and Suzie truly monogamous? In my opinion, no. Suzie is sharing sexual things with an outside party. She might be a valedictorian and a member of the Peace Corps, too, but that seems irrelevant.

I don't think it's very nice of anybody to call me "Victorian" for that opinion. It's not at all extreme.


_________________
The machine does not isolate man from the great problems of nature but plunges him more deeply into them. -Antoine de Saint Exupéry


ToadOfSteel
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 23 Sep 2007
Age: 36
Gender: Male
Posts: 6,157
Location: New Jersey

31 Jan 2008, 12:46 am

gwenevyn wrote:
I'm sorry, it seems like we've had a miscommunication. I'm not saying that strippers are by definition horrid, awful people. Not at all! But the nature of their work is sexual and it is performed with and in front of many, many people. I think this act by itself is promiscuous. If Fred and Suzie are in a relationship and Suzie regularly gives a sexy lap dance to Kyle, are Fred and Suzie truly monogamous? In my opinion, no. Suzie is sharing sexual things with an outside party. She might be a valedictorian and a member of the Peace Corps, too, but that seems irrelevant.


Personally, I would have to disagree, but that may also be because I have a different definition of monogamy than most people. If X is a stripper at a club and Y is her boyfriend/fiancee/spouse, giving a lap dance to Z is not breaking the relationship with Y, unless X has sex with Z or develops feelings for Z (in other words, it becomes more than just employment). Granted, the environment is such that any relationship X has with Y is very precarious, and if X wishes to preserve a relationship with Y, she must be very careful about her actions, but it is possible to accomplish.

Quote:
I don't think it's very nice of anybody to call me "Victorian" for that opinion. It's not at all extreme.

I didn't call you victorian, LPP did...
</adhominem>



D1nk0
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 11 Dec 2007
Age: 46
Gender: Male
Posts: 1,587

31 Jan 2008, 1:47 am

When I showed interest in this girl(who I'll refer to as "M"), she reacted by keeping me at arms length because of her
past experience with stalkers. Thats the trouble with Strippers-undoubtedly they are at a higher risk of being stalked and obsessed about so that makes it MUCH hard to get close to them as a person. But ToadOfSteel dont you get it? It isnt just the
threat of them being unfaithful, its that they get so much attention from other men that it makes it hard for them to focus their attention on their bf as much as the would if they werent getting all this adulation for lecherous men at their place of work.



fabshelly
Sea Gull
Sea Gull

User avatar

Joined: 7 Dec 2007
Age: 57
Gender: Female
Posts: 207

31 Jan 2008, 4:38 am

Mind if a former stripper speaks up?

They are customers. You are the boyfriend. Enormous difference.

They see you as a pair of boobs. Boyfriend sees me as a person.

I had to put on a fake persona (I'm really good at it) wear uncomfortable clothes (not much) and ... work. It's work.

The club was noisy, but I was always in my own world. And most guys loved that.

My boyfriend was the guy I cuddled up on the couch with in my ugly pajamas, while reading a book.

You know what job is closest to a stripper, imnho? A stewardess. Both have to look pretty and pretend to care about people they don't care about, who are usually difficult, in an unpleasant atmosphere. Next, really, any customer service job.


_________________
I wonder if Homo Sapiens Sapiens called Neanderthals "NT"s too?


Pugly
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 9 Jan 2005
Age: 42
Gender: Male
Posts: 2,174
Location: Wisconsin

31 Jan 2008, 9:39 am

Sedaka wrote:
i couldn't date a stripper. i cried the one time i went to a strip club.


That's curious, whenever I've seen women dancing very provocatively... it makes me physically uncomfortable.

Especially if it's a girl I've known and respected.

Mentally I can't comprehend what would get her to do such a thing... but to see it happening... it breaks a little something in myself.


_________________
Wonder what it feels like to be in love?
How would you describe it, like a push or shove?
Guess I could pretend that this is all I need
Wanting more than what I have might appear as greed.


AlexC179
Yellow-bellied Woodpecker
Yellow-bellied Woodpecker

User avatar

Joined: 6 Jun 2007
Gender: Male
Posts: 50
Location: Jacksonville, FL

31 Jan 2008, 10:01 am

I don't think I would be able to date a stripper. I have been to strip clubs numerous times in my life and almost always left disappointed and generally feeling like crap. I even got a hand job at the last strip club I went to (was in Munich, Germany a little over a year ago). I usually feel like I have paid to get blue balls. While I have talked to numerous strippers before, and have met some that are interesting people... I don't think I would want to seriously date a stripper. I have seen what goes on in those places, and it is borderline prostitution when you get a real lap dance.



Vexcalibur
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 17 Jan 2008
Age: 39
Gender: Male
Posts: 5,398

31 Jan 2008, 10:06 am

Hi, you didn't meet her as an striper and know you have doubts, just ask yourself what you liked about her initially, it seemed that you had an interesting relation going on. Sure she could cheat you but then so could any hot secretary do. In fact, I think that since most men that frequent those places are very insecure, you just need to show a lot more security from your part and be more than a penis and I think she will really like you and not be willing to trade. So my tip is to give her a chance.



D1nk0
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 11 Dec 2007
Age: 46
Gender: Male
Posts: 1,587

31 Jan 2008, 10:40 am

WOW, Im pretty Amazed that there are ex-strippers here on WP :lol: . But what what really drove a wedge into the prospects of me dating this girl fabshelly was her paranoia about being stalked and obsessed with. I thought I was just giving her attention and showing interest in her as a person but she took it the WRONG way and got "creeped out". Thats why I have to wonder what she Really wants in a bf.... :roll: