The Female Conspiracy

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Btw, KenM, brilliant avatar.


Two thoughts:

1) It is not a game. There are people who treat it as such; those are people I try to avoid. If you wait till you actually know and have communication with someone to try and start (what is intended to lead to a sexual) relationship, this crazy guessing/playing crap is greatly reduced.

2) Women consider being frequently approached (essentially just) for sex to be an annoyance, not just because it happens so much but because it often happens in threatening ways.

I think it's nearly all based on looks. Physical appearance. Without ever having met you and with no intention of insulting you, I can virtually guarantee, KenM, that you would not rate yourself "Above Average" looking.

People don't admit that they're rejecting us on looks because it's one of the few allowable discriminations left. And it's totally irrational, vain and shallow but most of us still do discriminate against uglyness but lie about it because it opposes our illusion that we are a fair person who values meanings beneath the surface.

This sort of experience rarely happens to good looking people. It's more convenient for their own vain egos to assume they have 'worked' for their success, whereas you and all of us with less than stellar dating statistics have not.

Not denying that developing dating strategies and tactics could improve your chances. But the improvement is easy to overestimate. Single percentage points maybe from 8% to 11%, say. But a good looking man will easily be at a 40% success rate without caring one jot about what he says, does or wears.

And most of those in their early 20's (and it's a common theme here) who talk about "having defeated Aspergers after a few years studying and practicing chat-up strategies" are missing the point that we all NATURALLY grow up a lot between 16 and 22. The improvement in relationships is purely because they're now an adult and they're comparing themselves to a time when they were barely out of diapers and hence totally unattractive They just look better than they did. When the flab starts appearing, or if they suffered even a mild facial disfigurement, they would see how utterly useless those same strategies become because it's all appearance and vanity.

There is no such thing as the Feminine Conspiracy.

The courts are not biased in favor of women when it comes to child custody, paternity, and support; and men are just as likely to be awarded alimony as any woman. Any man can accuse a woman of rape and receive justice for the crime under the Law.

Women do not dress to attract men, and then complain that men are interested in them only for their bodies. Nor do they dress and act provocatively only to lash out at men for being interested in having sex with them. A woman will not engage in endless sex with a man until he marries her, and then taper off the passion with an increasing frequency of 'headaches' and moodiness. And no woman has ever said "I'm pregnant" and/or "You're the daddy" just to get a man to marry her when she knew that another man was the real father (or wasn't sure who the real father actually was).

Women do not play head games; there is no attempt on any woman's part to confuse a man to the point that he doesn't know that she has taken over. Women never lead a man on and then make him feel guilty for responding apropriately. No woman has ever lied to a man and then blamed him for making her feel that she needed to deceive him; nor has any woman ever told a man "I love you just the way you are" and then tried to change him into a more perfect form. And if a woman cheats on her husband, she never says that it's all his fault for not being the man she tried to change him into.

Nope, there is no Feminine Conspiracy wherein women learn to be manipulative and deceitful towards men - never was, and never will be, either. Women are always open and honest about their thoughts, plans, and motivations. Yep, that's the way it is, for real and for true!

Fnord - true quality!! (and I thought I may get some flak)

Next you'll be telling us you can see the fnords....

If you don't see the fnords, then they can't eat you.

lol. . .you crack me up. . .I ditto your advice and claim it as being the best advice on the thread!! !

Except she wasn't sharing her life with me. It was made up.

Maybe I didn't explain the details well enough, but it was bizarre. She claimed she belonged to a religion she had just made up that forbade physical contact with men. As she continued to explain it despite my expressing incredulity, her faith was some warped amalgam of religious beliefs. Her occupation is sales, so obviously she is quite versed in B.S.ing clients (albeit while making countless non sequiturs and contradictions).

The real reason I suspect it may be a conspiracy is because one woman I knew had a fairly large and established circle of friends and may have used her influence there to try to persuade other women to mess with me. It's hard to say how plausible this is because I do know that she had gossiped about me at least a little; I just don't know the extent of it.

There is no patriarchy.


Society is not biased in terms of the female partner in a marriage taking the lion's share of child-raising responsibilities, in terms of career sacrifices and 'second-shift' work after she gets home.


Women earn just as much as men, and are not expected to sacrifice their careers for family any more than men are.


Women who are raped are treated with compassion and fairness by law enforcement personnel, and no one ever says 'she was asking for it' about a law-abiding citizen who happened to be in a public place after dark.


Men do not assume that a woman who is dressed nicely has done so specifically for them.


Nor do men assume that any woman who is interested in sex is a whore.


Husbands never marry their wives for convenient, always-available vaginas, and are especially respectful of the times that their spouses are exhausted from caring for their litter of children; they are careful to pay attention to their partner's needs so that sex does not become a chore for her, even deep into marriage.


And no man has ever gotten his girlfriend pregnant on purpose just to bind her to him, or denied being the father of a child even when he knew that the child was most likely his. No man has ever categorically ruled out the possibility of being the father of the child of a woman with whom he has had regular sex.


Men do not play head games; there is no attempt on any man's part to confuse a woman to the point that she doesn't know that he has taken over. Men never, for instance, gradually isolate a woman from her friends, family, and co-workers and then beat her and threaten the lives of her children when she wants to leave.


Men never tell their mistresses that they are 'separated' from their wives, or 'about to get a divorce, but just haven't found the right time to bring it up yet.'


No man has ever lied to a woman and then blamed her for making him feel that he needed to deceive her.


Nor has any man ever told a woman, 'of course I love you for more than your body,' and then dumped her for a woman her daughter's age after she has spent her best years tending his house and raising his children.


and if a man cheats on his wife, he never suggests that it's all her fault for not staying sexy and beautiful enough, or for not pampering him enough at home.


Nope, there is no patriarchy wherin men learn that they are exempt to all of the rules of civilized behavior and that they do not have to treat women as real human beings with complex, individual personalities rather than just variations in hair and/or skin color and body shape; Men are always forthcoming and honest about their thoughts, plans, and motivations. Yep, that's the way it is, for real and for true!

See? I told you so! Everything is just fine. No conspiracies, no pre-judgements, no sexism, no exaggerations, and no lies. Both genders receive fair and equitable treatment, and there is justice for all.

Quad Bless Dyscordia!

Last edited by Fnord on 13 Aug 2008, 2:07 pm, edited 1 time in total.

LKL, it's not what you say is untrue (although just about every one of your points could be challenged if you use facts and research that hasn't been bodged by man-hating feminists)

It's that what you're saying is the "same old same old" that we've been hearing from the media and almost every women we ever meet every day for the last 30 years or more. And it gets really tiresome.

What Fnord wrote is just as true, but also original and creative and a much rarer example of the imperfections of women being less than angelic.

BTW NOBODY thinks a women being merely 'interested in sex' is a whore. It's the exchange of money for sex that creates the whore. In fact she doesn't have to be 'interested' in the sex at all, it's the money she's interested in. But that's enough about my ex-wife for now

True but people still do call women whore's and sluts if they're with a guy they're interested in and not even the exchange of sex has been involved. I can't count how many times I've been called that without even the least bit interested.

Original and creative? Thanx!

But if there is no Feminine Conspiracy, then why does it take two or more women for one of them to go to the bathroom?

"Man-hating feminist" is a straw-man, ManErg. I am a strong feminist, and I rather like men; I like their voices, their strength, their grace in athletics (a group of guys running all together (especially in shorts) can be almost mesmerizing). What I don't like is the patriarchal, or 'old-fashioned,' if you prefer, idea that it's somehow ok for men to act like overgrown toddlers and still be men. Any man who shows a veneer of civilization - who acts like an adult (and no, I am not referring to 'chivalrous' behaviors like opening doors for women or pulling their chairs out) - is called 'Frenchified,' or 'effeminate,' or 'elitist.'

As far as women being 'whores,' I'm talking not just about the literal definition of the word, but also about men who call women whores to put them down. Miley Cyrus, for example: she was a teen idol, seen as this sort of angelic virgin, and then somebody found racy photos of her on the internet and suddenly she's being called a tramp by everyone. Any woman who shows interest in sex - especially outside of marriage - is almost universally castigated, but a man who shows interest in sex at any time, with any woman, is 'just being a man.' It's like men can't help themselves when they get drunk or abusive or philandering - don't you find that insulting? I know that I would.

And, ManErg - as far as challenging what I wrote, everything in there is something that I have had personal experience with, either experiencing it myself or directly witnessing other women go through it, and I have heard substantiated by many, many other women who had it happen to them personally. For example, if a man is assaulted and comes into the hospital for help, the diagnosis is "Assault," or "Assaulted." Not "Alleged Assault." If a woman is assaulted and comes into the hospital for help, saying that she was raped at the same time, the diagnosis is "Alleged Rape." In no other crime does the victim have to prove his or her innocence before the crime is investigated.

If a man reports that his wallet was stolen, the police do not ask, "what were you wearing?" or say, "why did you have it in your back pocket, where it was so easy to take? You must have wanted someone to take your wallet." They don't ask, "Have you ever given money away for free before? Well, how do we know that you weren't just giving it away this time, and then changed your mind?"

It is probably true that some women report rape falsely, in order to take revenge on a man that they are mad at, but I strongly doubt that the number of false rape reports is a higher proportion than false reports of any other crime. Given the humiliation of post-rape exams and the treatment provided by many officers, I strongly doubt that the incident of false rape reports is even as high as that of other crimes. I mean, if you want to give some schmuck a criminal record just because you're mad at him, why not say that he stole something of yours and save yourself a load of pain and humiliation?

I didn't write that post to claim that everything Fnord implied was wrong - women can be bad people, too - I just wanted to balance the issue.

btw:
http://www.fbi.gov/publications/leb/1997/july973.htm

before you call the site "man-hating feminist clap-trap," please notice that the URL is at the FBI.

Which is why I didn't say it - you did. Shouldn't it be a "straw-person' anyway?

Interesting that you should mention the FBI as the arbiter of truth, don't be put off by the Fox url, this link refers to FBI figures that suggest false rape accusations to be at around 20%.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,194032,00.html

And domestic violence is truly horrific and shouldn't happen. If you've studied it objectively, you'll be well aware that while females do suffer much worse injuries, incidence of abuse are split roughly 50/50 between male and female? What about the fact that the largest group of innocent victims of violence at any age is men? Do you not care about them?

Solving the worlds problems starts with finding out the facts and the truth. Ignoring the reality of false rape accusations and domestic violence doesn't help the real victims one bit. Unfortunately research has proven that research can prove anything

I think calling it a "conspiracy" is over the top... However, if a girl rejects you, there's the possibility that she'll tell all of her friends to avoid you... "Stay away from that guy, he's creepy!" As a result, your chances will be even further limited. So I guess you really have to be careful about who you approach first.