Women Prejudging by Appearance?

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28 Aug 2008, 2:27 pm

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I've yet to meet two women who necessarily look for the same things in a guy, let alone any women who adhere so rigidly to dating the alpha-male type of guys. If that is what so many of you are noticing, that probably says more about you and the sort of people you associate with. I'm a fairly thin, pale, have a shaved head, and can't seem to hold a job for more than a year or two, but I'd have a better chance with most of the girls I know than some ripped, perfect looking guy with an Abercrombie shirt and a big paycheck.

This can be true too. That's why I don't agree with rules that you have to be a certain way to get women. AS people like to have routine and adhere to rule sets, which is why a lot of guys find generalizations like the "alpha male theory" or the "mystery method" comforting. It reality, it all varies from person to person... just talk to women and see what works for you, or with what girl. Keep trying and don't beat yourself up when you make mistakes=success with women/dating.



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28 Aug 2008, 2:30 pm

Space wrote:
This can be true too. That's why I don't agree with rules that you have to be a certain way to get women. AS people like to have routine and adhere to rule sets, which is why a lot of guys find generalizations like the "alpha male theory" or the "mystery method" comforting. It reality, it all varies from person to person... just talk to women and see what works for you, or with what girl. Keep trying and don't beat yourself up when you make mistakes=success with women/dating.


Sorry my quote changed so much. I'm indecisive and unfocused today, so I keep editing myself :p



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28 Aug 2008, 3:49 pm

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Btw, sexism in nature is not always in the favor of the male.


Yes, being a male angler fish would suck.


No, being a male spider would Suck(for sure)!



Not only angler fish or spider but even not in the favor of the males of most mammal species too.

If you think about it, only a tiny percentage of males in the wild life have the chance to get sex who are the Alphas while all the rest (the betas and omegas ) get nothing and would be always treated as lesser members by alphas and females.

Not only that, in many mammal species like hippopotamus , gorillas (in some cases) ,cats ...male newborns are abused and sometimes killed. Among many mammal species,male newborns are more likely to be victims of Infanticide than female newborns

The alpha male hippopotamus usually pick the weak male babies and kill them , they don't target the female babies , there was an interesting program on discovery about the life of a wounded little male hippopotamus and how he hides from older males.
A grown up male cat also slaughters kittens that are not his and he usually target male kittens . Gorillas do that too ...
All these behaviors are sexist ...against males.

And oh ...don't let me start about insects ...

The author of the article ,who's asking the 'higher species' for gender equality , is trying to show that sexism in nature exists only toward females and that only females are victims of abuse and violence .... but she pretends ignorance or she's just ignorant about the fact that male animals don't live in heaven either, the whole nature is very sexist ...toward both genders.



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28 Aug 2008, 8:52 pm

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Well it's not ALWAYS relevant though. People aren't entirely based on logic. I was referring to your scenario, which was all other circumstances equal, they'd go for the one with more money.


What about someone who shows the capability of being able to support themselves? Sometimes money isn't always the route of evil. My brother in law for instance, is one who has been greatly supported by my sister because she works and he doesn't. I've seen many relationships in my family that were the opposite in these gender roles of finance.


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28 Aug 2008, 9:04 pm

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Well it's not ALWAYS relevant though. People aren't entirely based on logic. I was referring to your scenario, which was all other circumstances equal, they'd go for the one with more money.


What about someone who shows the capability of being able to support themselves? Sometimes money isn't always the route of evil. My brother in law for instance, is one who has been greatly supported by my sister because she works and he doesn't. I've seen many relationships in my family that were the opposite in these gender roles of finance.


I'm not concerned about money but I have the luxury not to be. I'm going to be starting in a high demand field that I excel at and will thrive. I'll be able to take care of myself and I have control enough of my symptoms to be effective in the work place. I'm not worried about having enough money to attract a mate, though maybe enough to provide somewhat, because anything I'm really interested in having relationship wise I don't see being confined by any fiscal status. I'm going to be living more than comfortably on my own as it is, but none the less it's nice to hear scenarios outside of long time considered norms.


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30 Aug 2008, 12:33 am

"To thine own self be true"- Ralph Waldo Emerson.

Why are you so worried about what girls think of you. If they like you, they will indicate it in some manner, but you are not being true to yourself if you're worried about what girls will think of you. Just be geniune and nice, I don't know about flirtaeous, or whatever else. I'm muscular and pleasing in appearence and girls don't care anything about me, so that tells you right there that you can't buy into what girls want, they are fickle and indecisive.



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30 Aug 2008, 9:10 am

MissConstrue wrote:
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Well it's not ALWAYS relevant though. People aren't entirely based on logic. I was referring to your scenario, which was all other circumstances equal, they'd go for the one with more money.


What about someone who shows the capability of being able to support themselves? Sometimes money isn't always the route of evil. My brother in law for instance, is one who has been greatly supported by my sister because she works and he doesn't. I've seen many relationships in my family that were the opposite in these gender roles of finance.


I have no idea what point you're making, or rather why it's relevant to me.

And that 'money is the root of all evil' thing is a misquote.



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30 Aug 2008, 10:05 am

Fnord wrote:

Do you dress well?
Are you well-groomed?
Do you have good personal hygeine?
Are you able-bodied?
Are you in good health?
Do you own a car?
Are you dependable?
Do you live on your own?
Are you easy-going?
Do you have a job?
Are you honest?
Do you enjoy spending money?
Are you interesting?
Are you friendly?
Are you lovable?
Do you pay attention?
Are you well-mannered?
Do you have female friends?

The more 'No' answers you have, the less attractive you are.



Nice list Fnord.

Twice in my life I have used a similar list to my advantage. These two times there was a woman who showed a high amount of interest in myself, but I was not in any way interested. Not being good at telling them I was not interested and also not wanting to go through the whole episode of them possibly denying any form of interest, I had casually mentioned something about my future potential health or limitations on money. They were gone rather quickly and didn't trouble me any further.

I liked the efficiency of that operation.

What I am also saying is that their is a lot of validity to Fnord's list. As usual, he is saying something worth pondering over.