Is it important to play "hard to get"?

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24 Sep 2008, 1:40 pm

Cyberman wrote:
From what I've heard, The Rules is the bane of Aspie guys... it promotes all the things that will ensure that guys like us remain single. It's good advice if you only want an NT guy. As for playing "hard to get"... if you act as though you don't like us, how are we supposed to know if you really do? Be honest about it.


QFT. Frankly, if a girl is acting hard to get, then either she is not interested or she's playing mind games, in which case I don't want her.



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What I learned is that the actual "hard to get" game is not necessary, but subtle (and well-timed) flirtation, confidence, and independence can make a difference. It seems you're supposed to show the guy that you really like him but you have enough going for you on your own, you don't need to openly worship him.


Yep, being needy and insecure is bad.


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24 Sep 2008, 2:13 pm

^ Yeah, feelings of attraction can really f**k with my head, prevent me from thinking straight, cause me to act extremely shy or seem needy and insecure when I'm actually not. I'm learning that it's important to think about what I'll say and how I'll act ahead of time so this doesn't keep happening to me.



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29 Sep 2008, 5:09 pm

There was one girl who did that to me - kept telling me she didn't want to go out with me, but then kept "giving me the eye" as I believe it's known. If I'd known what it was, I'd have probably just kissed her, but I didn't know, so she missed her chance.

I agree the evolutionary explanation is probably right. There's nothing attractive about it for us, unless we're so good at readng the signs that we get all the girls, then we'd love it because of the elitist thing. It's nature's way of making sure that the weak don't reproduce, perhaps. But I'd like to know if all cultures have always done this, or if it's just a developed Western world thing.



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02 Oct 2008, 3:36 am

I strongly dislike the notion of having to play "hard to get"..and in my current paradigm (ahem I sorta have two boyfriends..)...I have not really needed to "play" anything....

Perhaps my other friend was attracted to me in part, because I was "taken" and ergo naturally "hard to get"...back in the years when we were platonic friends....and then I was initially "hard to get" for Flakey since he was in a relationship at the time that he met me....

But with them, I haven't really had to "play" anything...and I don't really like playing games...does not come really natural...and when I have feelings for someone, then it makes me feel very vulnerable and sorta insecure...and that makes the notion of "game playing" all the more difficult.

In my current "alternative" arrangement, there is no room for game playing really...so I guess it is a moot point.



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02 Oct 2008, 5:09 am

release_the_bats wrote:
^ Yes, it's definitely best to stay away from anyone who calls you ten times a day without a really good reason (good reason = close friend or relative in hospital, etc.).

LPP, I want to respond to several things you said, but first, I think it's worth mentioning that I don't find "alpha" types attractive. I think it's kind of the opposite. So I guess I'm an evolutionary f**k-up and I should never reproduce! :D



It depends what's your definition of alpha.

Unlike what equal-to-0 said, I say that alphas DO exist in human society but in many forms.

Here a post from another thread that show typical alpha types:

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-The Knight (Strength): These are basically the pure natural alphas , the men with high level of Testosterone , the strong, tall , determinant , confident , masculine and handsome men. If you are not already one of those , it will be almost impossible to become one. A strong sport man who can achieve big wins can becomes a King/Knight (ie: the best footballers).This type of alpha might fade with age or can transform to the King type


-The King (Wealth/Social Power): The Kings are the successful men who can turn their success into great wealth and social power, this type of Alpha requires also some basic natural alpha traits found in the Knight-type like confidence and determination (ie.CEOs, great businessmen...etc) ...good physical traits might help too , it also requires mainly traits such as leadership, common sense, courage and good social skills. It is not impossible for Aspies to be one of those but keep in mind that without good-developed natural skills such as social skills and leadership that won't be easy at all.


-The Magician (High Intelligence): Naturally,this is the least attractive Alpha type to most females but they are alphas nonetheless and can attract 10% of females at least. The Magicians are the men who can achieve great things using their high intelligence ,education , great knowledge or great wisdom , the requirement for this type is one : High IQ/Intelligence or at least 1 useful savant skill(rare cases). The Magician doesn't need to be physically strong, confident or leader or any of that sort ....he just needs to be very smart in his field he works in. A Magician who can turns his achievements to success and wealth can becomes a Magician-King (ie. Bill Gates). Aspies with high intelligence should choose this path to Alphahood but if you don't naturally have a very high IQ (above 130)/intelligence or at least 1 useful savant skill this would be almost impossible.

(Even a physically handicapped very genius man such as Steven hawking can be considered as a Magician alpha because his natural high intelligence compensates all the other bad genes ..but of course this case is very very exceptional.)


- The Bard (Talent/Fame): The Bards are the people who get fame through their high talents ie: good singers, cool hardrockers,Hollywood actors, good musicians, excellent painters...

The Bards are the MOST attractive Alpha-type to females nowadays , they can harvest thousands of females' hearts.
Since fame brings wealth and since fame requires sometimes attractive looks then Bards are usually in combo forms mostly as Bard/King or sometimes in Bard/King/Knight , Bard/King/Magician exist but are rare cases (ie. like the savant pianist kids that can even compete adult pianists....will be Bard/King/Magician when they become adults).
Aspie can becomes a bard ....but of course he needs to have great talents.


There are the same types of alphas among females ....but here we are talking about competition between males which is much rougher than the competition between females (competition between females is caused by the artificial monogamous marriage system).


Are you sure that your bf is not close to one of these types?



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04 Oct 2008, 10:27 pm

well, there's the old expression "he chased her until she caught him"...;) Hard-to-get might just be a way of seeing if the guy's serious or not. It's a fine line. I wouldn't be surprised if I passed over a lot of potential relationships because I didn't catch on to the come-on, as it were.

If 'The Rules' is the book I think it is (been out a few years), it was oriented towards not just 'getting the guy', but 'frog-marching him down the isle', if I remember right. I don't know women as well as I should (what mand does?..;) but I think that women looking for a guy and looking for a husband consider it 2 different goals (or as once crudely put; Mr. Right vs. Mr. Right-Now...;)



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04 Oct 2008, 11:33 pm

This thread is total useless. Getting a gf for me is extremely hard!! !! !! !! !!1 For f**ken sake. Dou you wanna know why? Because they are tooo picky! Thats why!


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04 Oct 2008, 11:44 pm

Not if your an aspie... Just don't act desperate, don't call too often, and don't jump the gun.



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04 Oct 2008, 11:56 pm

it not about desperation! And even i'm not! They are just plain stupid picky girls. Rejection was only answer i had in my life. I wasn't trying too hard. It them! 110% truth.


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