Foreign wives more common for those with AS?
I've always had a thing for the bronzed skin, and brunette. Like some of my friends I have. One of them is hot and she knows I like her. Planning to see her this year. Dating a girl with intelligence is great You can swap opinions and you know that you are with another person and interesting conversations
It's more difficult to inspire interest in someone of the same culture, because you're too familiar to them. Add the fact that most Aspie men are regarded as "boring," especially in Western culture, and you have a double negative going against you. So it's reasonable to look outside your own culture where you at least have the advantage of being "exotic."
In Silicon Valley the rate of autistic babies grew to be the highest. I've heard that some scientists speculate it is due to the high population of AS men marrying AS women over there. It's obvious that AS men dominate in the computer industry. However, there hasn't been any real evidence that suggests that those men employed in Silicon Valley were actually marrying AS women. It seems to be more likely that AS males prefer women of different races who are NT. Does anyone know of any statistics about this in silicone valley?
The article the OP posted was about preventing autistic babies by eliminating autistic embryos. No one has touched on this here.
If it is possible to eliminate autistic embryos, it could potentially prevent a larger population of geniuses being born. My guess is that if higher functioning aspie males went with high functioning aspie females of a similar gene pool this would give you a better chance of having a genius baby.
Low functioning AS males and females would fair better to seek a mate outside of their race so that their autistic genes have a better chance of being diluted.
I know this is taboo eugenics talk, but hey, it's not as bad as tampering with autistic embryos.

I think the main reason why AS guys prefer people of a different culture is due to the language barrier. Maybe it's easier to be with someone who doesn't request you to talk so much, especially about feelings and such.
There must be some reason why AS guys prefer to date outside their race. It can't all be coincidental. There are many unconscious drives which propel us into relationships which we are unaware of for the most part.
A friend of mine bought a Chinese wife not too long ago. After living together for a short while she started to get very demanding. He said that she wanted to buy too many nice things for the house which he wasn't used to. The reason he said he liked Asian women is because he thought they weren't as demanding as American women. People of the same culture typically expect the same things.
If AS men aren't fond of their own culture then it seems logical to date someone outside of it.
As for Black women and AS guys...I think it's a match made in heaven. I can't help but think about Larry David (who has AS traits)
and his empowered and over protective black girlfriend.

Yo, I is dating a well fit Colombian girl, innit? Booyakasha!


I wouldn't say that I have bought her, as I haven't sent her any money. I've bought her a birthday present, but I'm still working out how to send it to her, as her half-brother says the postal system is very unreliable. I would quickly become suspicious if she started asking me for money, but she seems to be a girl who isn't entirely comfortable accepting money from a man. When I told her I had bought her a present, she seemed uneasy and expressed regret that she will not be able to repay the favour anytime soon, as if I were expecting her to do so.
I speak fluent Spanish and so there is no suggestion that she expects any less dialogue from me. However, contrary to the stereotypes of mail-order bride relationships (which I don't believe mine is), I don't know how good her English is, because we always seem to talk in Spanish.
To all the eugenics people out there, if I get married to her, I intend to have children with her. How many children we intentionally try for will depend on these factors: -
1) Her willingness to continue bearing me children
2) My capacity to provide for them
3) Our capacity to cope with the physical demands of looking after them
If any of my children turn out to be a chip off the old block in terms of having Asperger's syndrome, I will raise them to be no-nonsense people who won't tolerate people messing them around and who doesn't feel that they have to graciously accept the first person interested in them because as they have Asperger's syndrome, no-one will want them. I will teach them that they don't have to tolerate mediocrity in love interests any more than anyone else and that they should be as picky as is necessary to find the right person.
I would reproduce even if it were the case that all children born to autistic men were on the spectrum themselves. As far as I'm concerned, if my girlfriend is willing to bear me children if and when we get married and I'm willing to father them and we are able to look after them, that is the important matter.
Some comments --
First, to the person who said that we should keep stupid people from reproducing -- this doesn't make sense, as until we are a completely white-collar/intellectual job-oriented society, we will always need people across the spectrum, even stupid ones, to do things like work in fast food, janitorial work, and other mundane tasks that many intelligent people would be very unhappy in. I know it sounds very much like "Brave New World," but it's the truth that we will probably have the tiered intelligence structure of society (with a job for each level of intelligence) for the foreseeable future.
Regarding foreign wives/GFs and AS --
Lots of ways to look at this. A very pessimistic and negative view (not one that I necessarily subscribe too, but should still be mentioned) could be that everyone seeks the highest value spouse they can get, and in the case of many foreign women, who are dealing with cultural and racial prejudices in some cases and language barriers as well, a white or Asian AS man with all of the handicaps associated might still be more worth it in terms of income, family support, getting citizenship, etc. For the man, he is getting a NT woman with what usually is a more conservative and pro-masculine cultural background that tends to respect the quiet, masculine man, and who is more willing to do more work in the relationship (laundry, cooking, housework, etc). A foreign wife might also be clingier (the man is her tenuous connection to the new country) and less likely to bail on the relationship, so that provides the AS man with a sense of security.
On the other hand, this might just be the case for many men, AS, NT, or otherwise who just have issues with American feminist culture and have social issues in general relating to that. In this case AS are just one sliver of an overall phenomenon of men with women issues when it comes to native-born women.
I myself only have weak AS symptoms, and my GF's have been almost entirely Asian (my wife is Latina, foreign born, but English was her native language in the country she was from, Belize), but only half of them were foreign -- the others were native born or might as well have been. There's something that's a nice change of pace sometimes with foreign women -- everything is new, you get to be the "expert" for once on your own culture (as opposed to being semi-incompetent with NT folks and native-born). With women of other ethnicities, it might be the exotic thing, or just that they don't remind you of your sisters. My sisters are pretty, so pretty much every attractive white chick tends to remind me of them, something I don't find very alluring. With Asian women, black women, hispanic women, there's no reminder of that, and I particularly like Asian women's thin bone structure and low body fat, just my tastes (and I also appreciate voluptuous women in other ethnicities as well, so I'm not just into unrealistic figures -- my wife is petite but also well-curved). This being said, I have liked white women, it just never worked out that we ended up dating. I also liked native-born, because there are bonuses as well to being with someone who had a common cultural frame of reference and no language barrier or cultural issues.
So, I think it's just a toss-up -- lots of reasons why guys are with foreign women, but no universal rule, as AS men are all over the spectrum in terms of their value (both externally perceived and self-perceived) in the dating arena, and what their own personal tastes are. For some of us, foreign women are a comfort or a crutch, for some of us they're exotic, and for some of us it's just the way things turned out. We're just normal guys when it comes to dating, and just like all guys, we roll the dice and get what the fates steer our way (unless of course we shopped for our wives on a catalog )
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AS guys are not at all like NT guys when it comes to dating. There is a much larger percentage of AS men preferring women outside of their race and there must be a reason for that.
I don't think it's coincidental.
Women don't select their mate. They choose from males who show interest but for the most part, women do not select the way men do. If a women were to try to select her choice of mate she would most likely be denied for the very fact that she showed an interest to pursue a man. Females are generally more passive in most cultures as they are expected to be. An aggressive female is much more unattractive than a passive male.
There must be a reason for AS men preferring foreigner wives. "I got would ever I could get" is not a good enough answer.
It seems as if they seek out this quality and are not just settling for less.
I don't think it's coincidental.
Women don't select their mate. They choose from males who show interest but for the most part, women do not select the way men do. If a women were to try to select her choice of mate she would most likely be denied for the very fact that she showed an interest to pursue a man. Females are generally more passive in most cultures as they are expected to be. An aggressive female is much more unattractive than a passive male.
so, i'm unattractive because i'm aggressive and therefore will stay single?
AS guys are not at all like NT guys when it comes to dating. There is a much larger percentage of AS men preferring women outside of their race and there must be a reason for that.
I don't think it's coincidental.
Maybe ... just maybe ... there is a mutual attraction in operation here ... d'ya think? Believe it or not, my wife actually likes me (she loves me, of course), and so do her family and friends. For some strangely unfathomable reason, the Philippine culture seems to include an appreciation for soft-spoken, well-behaved men who are intelligent, hard-working, and honest.
Yeah ... weird huh? That any woman would fall for a guy with such esoteric qualities is a constant source of amazement.
And believe it or not, my spine and "family jewels" are still intact and firmly attached!
I could think of two reasons off the top of my head why they would be more tolerant of AS.
1. They aren't familliar with what "unusual" behavior or speech is (where you are from).
2. They want to stay with you for some reason, but know they can cheat on you and get away with it so pretending isn't such a big deal. For the most part, especially in Eastern Europe they are more used to there being a considerably less chance of catching serious STDs than other parts of the world, so having multiple partners isn't a big deal to them.
First, to the person who said that we should keep stupid people from reproducing -- this doesn't make sense, as until we are a completely white-collar/intellectual job-oriented society, we will always need people across the spectrum, even stupid ones, to do things like work in fast food, janitorial work, and other mundane tasks that many intelligent people would be very unhappy in. I know it sounds very much like "Brave New World," but it's the truth that we will probably have the tiered intelligence structure of society (with a job for each level of intelligence) for the foreseeable future.
Regarding foreign wives/GFs and AS --
Lots of ways to look at this. A very pessimistic and negative view (not one that I necessarily subscribe too, but should still be mentioned) could be that everyone seeks the highest value spouse they can get, and in the case of many foreign women, who are dealing with cultural and racial prejudices in some cases and language barriers as well, a white or Asian AS man with all of the handicaps associated might still be more worth it in terms of income, family support, getting citizenship, etc. For the man, he is getting a NT woman with what usually is a more conservative and pro-masculine cultural background that tends to respect the quiet, masculine man, and who is more willing to do more work in the relationship (laundry, cooking, housework, etc). A foreign wife might also be clingier (the man is her tenuous connection to the new country) and less likely to bail on the relationship, so that provides the AS man with a sense of security.
On the other hand, this might just be the case for many men, AS, NT, or otherwise who just have issues with American feminist culture and have social issues in general relating to that. In this case AS are just one sliver of an overall phenomenon of men with women issues when it comes to native-born women.
I myself only have weak AS symptoms, and my GF's have been almost entirely Asian (my wife is Latina, foreign born, but English was her native language in the country she was from, Belize), but only half of them were foreign -- the others were native born or might as well have been. There's something that's a nice change of pace sometimes with foreign women -- everything is new, you get to be the "expert" for once on your own culture (as opposed to being semi-incompetent with NT folks and native-born). With women of other ethnicities, it might be the exotic thing, or just that they don't remind you of your sisters. My sisters are pretty, so pretty much every attractive white chick tends to remind me of them, something I don't find very alluring. With Asian women, black women, hispanic women, there's no reminder of that, and I particularly like Asian women's thin bone structure and low body fat, just my tastes (and I also appreciate voluptuous women in other ethnicities as well, so I'm not just into unrealistic figures -- my wife is petite but also well-curved). This being said, I have liked white women, it just never worked out that we ended up dating. I also liked native-born, because there are bonuses as well to being with someone who had a common cultural frame of reference and no language barrier or cultural issues.
So, I think it's just a toss-up -- lots of reasons why guys are with foreign women, but no universal rule, as AS men are all over the spectrum in terms of their value (both externally perceived and self-perceived) in the dating arena, and what their own personal tastes are. For some of us, foreign women are a comfort or a crutch, for some of us they're exotic, and for some of us it's just the way things turned out. We're just normal guys when it comes to dating, and just like all guys, we roll the dice and get what the fates steer our way (unless of course we shopped for our wives on a catalog

Some of the points made here are valid, but sometimes the opposite can be true. For instance, some foreign wives may be more inclined to return to their home country when she is extremely isolated. An Antipodean I know told me about how when her only friend in this country left for Australia (abducting her children in the process), doing the same thing all of a sudden seemed very attractive for her. Similarly, a Swiss woman I know of who is married to an AS Australian man (Katrin Bentley) talked in her book (Alone Together) about how she was very close to doing the same partly because her husband was a difficult man to live with and partly because of the isolation.
The part about income and nationality has always been true. In the days when there were few jobs in the formal world of work open to women, many women would have happily tolerated a man's idiosyncrasies to enjoy the financial security he could offer them. Also, I have a relative who got married to his first wife to get a British passport.
My hispanic girlfriend seems to be very skinny and with a nice figure, but despite weighing only 47kg, she is still unhappy with her body. Even though I live so far away from her, I still feel responsible for this.
The theory in the first paragraph is just like the "Gods and Clods" theory proposed by Gerald Broflovsky in the South Park episode "Chickenpox".
I am not opposed to feminism per se, but being a religious man, I feel that many aspects of modern feminism run contrary to the teachings of God. My girlfriend views herself as being struggling against the macho society she lives in and although she claims that she is a shy character, she definitely isn't a girl who would allow a man to mess her around. I think this is a good thing, as I want any daughters I have to grow up with both parents showing them what a harmonious and godly relationship is like and I want both of us to teach them to be assertive and how to not let men mess them around. I would be really upset if any of my daughters got into unpleasant relationships and then it dawned on me that her lack of judgement resulted from me messing around her mother in front of her.
As I am a Christian man, I expect my girlfriend to be obedient to me if we get married, because this is what God instructs. However, conversely, my part in a godly relationship is that I love her significantly more than I love myself and a godly man will not give his wife an order unless that order is founded in his love for her and God. Also, I want her to be obedient to me in marriage because God gives us plans and he gives us these plans because they are his recipe for a godly and happy marriage. My part of the bargain is that as the leader of the family, I accept full responsibility for the success or failure of the family and not just blame the world, as many evangelical Christians tend to do. I said all this to my girlfriend and her response was that she thinks I am well-grounded.
AS guys are not at all like NT guys when it comes to dating. There is a much larger percentage of AS men preferring women outside of their race and there must be a reason for that.
I don't think it's coincidental.
Maybe ... just maybe ... there is a mutual attraction in operation here ... d'ya think? Believe it or not, my wife actually likes me (she loves me, of course), and so do her family and friends. For some strangely unfathomable reason, the Philippine culture seems to include an appreciation for soft-spoken, well-behaved men who are intelligent, hard-working, and honest.
Yeah ... weird huh? That any woman would fall for a guy with such esoteric qualities is a constant source of amazement.
And believe it or not, my spine and "family jewels" are still intact and firmly attached!
What is the part about your spine and family jewels meant to imply in the context of your marital relationship? I'm not sure I have quite grasped your point.
I really gotta take issue with this statement -- it's just not true, and I think most women here (and other guys who have dated or are married) would agree. Women have been proven in many studies to be the ones who choose their mates in most mammalian groups, including us. Think about it.
It's a process -- women choose the candidates they will allow to approach them, then signal accordingly to those who can approach. They don't approach so much as signal who they will allow to approach. It's an indirect process --- She sees what guys she is interested in that might also be interested in her, signals to them (eye contact, body language, availability), and then the ones who are truly interested and have the guts to do so approach her. There's nothing even guaranteed at that point -- at any time she can reject a suitor, and he'll have to hit the road. Women do choose, but they just aren't direct about it, because it's not their nature, not culturally accepted (because it's not necessary, so if a woman does do it, they are signaling some kind of problem), and really, they don't have to. Almost all women are bombarded by suitors, though not always ones to their liking.
How many times have you found a woman attractive, tried to make a move, and found out she wasn't interested? Nothing you did could convince this woman to want you. This happens to men constantly, pretty much a majority of the time, even to rich, powerful, or famous men. Rich and powerful men tend to have women pursuing them a little more often, so the situation self-selects (lots of people signaling), but it's not like Brad Pitt can literally go out and choose any woman off the street. Women can't get everyone they want either, but they have a much easier time of it, because it's a seller's market, and they're the sellers.
Here's the acid test -- who has more choice? The ugliest woman you know could walk out on the street naked and in five minutes find some guy who would have sex with her -- guaranteed. See if that works for the ugliest man you know -- I'll bet you 10 to 1 it wont'.
AS guys are not at all like NT guys when it comes to dating. There is a much larger percentage of AS men preferring women outside of their race and there must be a reason for that.
I don't think it's coincidental.
Do you have actual evidence or empirical proof for your statement? I've seen nothing to that effect. Depending where you live, and given the multi-ethnic nature of many of the more cosmopolitan cities in the U.S. and Europe, lots of men in general, AS and otherwise, are in multi-racial relationships. I challenge you to prove that there is any above-average out-marriage or out-dating rate for AS men. I'm a gun owner, and I've seen a lot of gun owner guys here in the L.A. area at the range with foreign or interracial brides. Surely not all of them are AS, but they do have some AS traits -- introverted, socially insecure, not very emotive -- Same general symptoms sometimes, but not AS, and more indicative of a general group, NTs included, who skew interracial or foreign with their tastes in women.
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AS guys are not at all like NT guys when it comes to dating. There is a much larger percentage of AS men preferring women outside of their race and there must be a reason for that.
I don't think it's coincidental.
Maybe ... just maybe ... there is a mutual attraction in operation here ... d'ya think? Believe it or not, my wife actually likes me (she loves me, of course), and so do her family and friends. For some strangely unfathomable reason, the Philippine culture seems to include an appreciation for soft-spoken, well-behaved men who are intelligent, hard-working, and honest.
Yeah ... weird huh? That any woman would fall for a guy with such esoteric qualities is a constant source of amazement.
And believe it or not, my spine and "family jewels" are still intact and firmly attached!
What is the part about your spine and family jewels meant to imply in the context of your marital relationship? I'm not sure I have quite grasped your point.
My prelationships with Euro-American women seems to have always involved some form of domination (nagging, belittlement, criticism, nagging, deprecation, insult, nagging, et cetera), and that any man who tolerates such abuse is either spineless, a eunuch, or both.
Thus, many of my Euro-American acquaintences who know about how well my wife and I get along often try to imply that I am "whipped" in some way - because that seems to be the only kind of man-woman relationship that they understand.
A relationship based on mutual respect, trust, love, and understanding? With a Euro-American woman? Me?

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