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23 Jan 2009, 7:29 pm

I asked my last bf out: he was v shy and introverted. I spent the entire relationship 'mothering' him (that is, being both the 'strong' one in the relationship, plus the one who did all the talking and emotional stuff). He spent the entire time being passive and not generally bothering his ass.

I wouldn't mind asking a guy out if I knew he'd pull his weight in the relationship, but there are people out there (male and female) who, if you show interest in them first, will make you do all the work as it's 'your' relationship.



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27 Jan 2009, 6:36 am

LePetitPrince wrote:
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Because a woman already has a p****, and isn't looking for another one?

Yes, one can force a round peg into a square hole, but really how comfortable is that? When it comes to romantic relationships, when you act like a man, she is freed to be able to act like a woman, and everyone is a lot more comfortable.


So most men here are p*****s, according to you.


Most guys here aren't looking for a girlfriend, in spite of what they say. What they're really wanting is a Mommy #2, so they won't have to grow up. Quite frankly, it's sickening.

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You know what? Girls like you don't deserve gender equality.


Why, because I expect things to work in a natural, healthy, functional way? Gee, that's logical. :roll: If you don't like the truth, that's not my problem. I stand by my original statement.

If you want to be recognized as a man, then act like one. Take the initiative. Take the risk, rather than hiding behind her skirts and expecting her to do it. If she's like most women, when you force her into the protecting/caretaking role, she'll view you as a little child and be turned off. Newsflash: The overwhelming majority of women are not attracted to guys who act like toddlers, and no wonder.



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27 Jan 2009, 10:12 am

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LePetitPrince wrote:
Hazelwudi wrote:
Because a woman already has a p****, and isn't looking for another one?

Yes, one can force a round peg into a square hole, but really how comfortable is that? When it comes to romantic relationships, when you act like a man, she is freed to be able to act like a woman, and everyone is a lot more comfortable.


So most men here are p*****s, according to you.


Most guys here aren't looking for a girlfriend, in spite of what they say. What they're really wanting is a Mommy #2, so they won't have to grow up. Quite frankly, it's sickening.



...and you knew that how?



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Why, because I expect things to work in a natural, healthy, functional way? Gee, that's logical. :roll: If you don't like the truth, that's not my problem. I stand by my original statement.

If you want to be recognized as a man, then act like one. Take the initiative. Take the risk, rather than hiding behind her skirts and expecting her to do it. If she's like most women, when you force her into the protecting/caretaking role, she'll view you as a little child and be turned off. Newsflash: The overwhelming majority of women are not attracted to guys who act like toddlers, and no wonder.



Does my profile's gender recognize me as a man? ;)



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27 Jan 2009, 11:32 am

When NT's talk about "being a man," they really mean conforming to their shallow cultural ideal and abandoning who you are. I'd rather be alone than become some NT cardboard cut-out.



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27 Jan 2009, 11:49 am

I guess that's just the way things are. It totally alienates males who are socially impaired. That's why most are always alone. They don't have the ability to do what other males are expected to do. This is also a reason why girls who are socially impaired have an easier time getting a date as opposed to a male. Because at least she doesn't have to do the asking and usually guys would come to her. Finding girls who come to guys is very rare and for as long as that unwritten rule remains, we will have no success at all. I've tried to find and learn of ways to get girls to come to me but it's a futile effort. I may like the girl but for as long as I don't approach her, she probably thinks I don't like or have any interest her even though I may. Back in the old days, girls were taught that, if a guy really liked her, he'd go after her and she wouldn't have to do anything. A rule that kills those with any form of autism.



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27 Jan 2009, 1:58 pm

I always take the initiative now whenever I come across someone interesting.

But oftentimes, relationships don't materialize because the other person is unwilling to compromise. The example I use is one where despite me keeping my integrity, and being nice to her, and not pressuring her to do anything she didn't want to do, she shot me down because I didn't live in the same town.



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27 Jan 2009, 2:43 pm

look thats the way it has been beacuse females are seen as objects to some people and there is the fact that well
A. men are supposed to be assertive (supposedly)
b. men carry on the family name
c. guys are usually well more :twisted:
while girls are :oops: and shy
just the way people are used to. what would you do if a girl came up and asked you on a date as a girl?? honestly i have been asked out by girls but its beacause of the agressiveness that is usually asscerted (spelled wrong) by men.
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27 Jan 2009, 2:49 pm

LePetitPrince wrote:
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LePetitPrince wrote:
Hazelwudi wrote:
Because a woman already has a p****, and isn't looking for another one?

Yes, one can force a round peg into a square hole, but really how comfortable is that? When it comes to romantic relationships, when you act like a man, she is freed to be able to act like a woman, and everyone is a lot more comfortable.


So most men here are p*****s, according to you.


Most guys here aren't looking for a girlfriend, in spite of what they say. What they're really wanting is a Mommy #2, so they won't have to grow up. Quite frankly, it's sickening.



...and you knew that how?



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Why, because I expect things to work in a natural, healthy, functional way? Gee, that's logical. :roll: If you don't like the truth, that's not my problem. I stand by my original statement.

If you want to be recognized as a man, then act like one. Take the initiative. Take the risk, rather than hiding behind her skirts and expecting her to do it. If she's like most women, when you force her into the protecting/caretaking role, she'll view you as a little child and be turned off. Newsflash: The overwhelming majority of women are not attracted to guys who act like toddlers, and no wonder.



Does my profile's gender recognize me as a man? ;)
my god some of you people lol, you make fun of others to invoke some sort of manhood, real men know what talking about, just show confidence like this butthole is doing even if hes being a dushe about it. maintain who you are and treat her like shes like everyone else but throw in a catchy commet here and there for excitment cuz thats how you snagg'em



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27 Jan 2009, 3:14 pm

Agingdarkflame wrote:
LePetitPrince wrote:
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LePetitPrince wrote:
Hazelwudi wrote:
Because a woman already has a p****, and isn't looking for another one?

Yes, one can force a round peg into a square hole, but really how comfortable is that? When it comes to romantic relationships, when you act like a man, she is freed to be able to act like a woman, and everyone is a lot more comfortable.


So most men here are p*****s, according to you.


Most guys here aren't looking for a girlfriend, in spite of what they say. What they're really wanting is a Mommy #2, so they won't have to grow up. Quite frankly, it's sickening.



...and you knew that how?



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Why, because I expect things to work in a natural, healthy, functional way? Gee, that's logical. :roll: If you don't like the truth, that's not my problem. I stand by my original statement.

If you want to be recognized as a man, then act like one. Take the initiative. Take the risk, rather than hiding behind her skirts and expecting her to do it. If she's like most women, when you force her into the protecting/caretaking role, she'll view you as a little child and be turned off. Newsflash: The overwhelming majority of women are not attracted to guys who act like toddlers, and no wonder.



Does my profile's gender recognize me as a man? ;)
my god some of you people lol, you make fun of others to invoke some sort of manhood, real men know what talking about, just show confidence like this butthole is doing even if hes being a dushe about it. maintain who you are and treat her like shes like everyone else but throw in a catchy commet here and there for excitment cuz thats how you snagg'em


....and you are ....a manhood analyst?



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27 Jan 2009, 5:29 pm

Wow, what a lot of clueless guys, there are only a couple that actually get it.
The reason males should take the lead (according to both biology and tradition) is because women are the ones who will get pregnant and care for the child. Therefore we need someone we can trust (if a woman asks a man out, she can't be sure he's really into her or he's just going along for the ride), and also we need our partners to be at least somewhat confident so they can handle any threat that may arise, ie look out for us when we're vulnerable w/ child. Yes, this is a simplification, but that's how it is. If you don't have the courage to even make your feelings know to a woman (ie by asking her out), then how will you handle more serious responsibilities?

And yes, there are lots of girls who ask out guys, but they are just looking for fun, not commitment.



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27 Jan 2009, 5:31 pm

My opinion: Because women are selfish and like to manipulate men and men will do anything to get laid.

-edit- Actually the above refers more to why the man has to pay for dates and act chivalrous, ect. I just read the OP and that is not exactly what they were talking about. Sorry, I made a snap judgement.



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27 Jan 2009, 6:28 pm

zee wrote:
Wow, what a lot of clueless guys, there are only a couple that actually get it.
The reason males should take the lead (according to both biology and tradition) is because women are the ones who will get pregnant and care for the child. Therefore we need someone we can trust (if a woman asks a man out, she can't be sure he's really into her or he's just going along for the ride), and also we need our partners to be at least somewhat confident so they can handle any threat that may arise, ie look out for us when we're vulnerable w/ child. Yes, this is a simplification, but that's how it is. If you don't have the courage to even make your feelings know to a woman (ie by asking her out), then how will you handle more serious responsibilities?

And yes, there are lots of girls who ask out guys, but they are just looking for fun, not commitment.

There's a lot here you'd have to persuade me of. I see holes in your argument but I don't feel like pointing them out right now. But besides that, I'm not sure about how relevant "biology and tradition" are, both are often fine but neither necessarily set the benchmarks for doing things effectively. Also, I'm not even convinced that you can say the tendency is biological rather than cultural - it seems like a particularly strong thing to say when so much about behavior and the mind is not understood.

Overall I can understand some of what you're saying for yourself, on your own conditions, but don't see why those conditions have to apply to all women especially in an age/society with improved facilities, increasingly blurred gender roles, and decreasing family size.



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27 Jan 2009, 8:38 pm

It has been like this since the beginning of time when cavemen would beat them over the head with a club and drag them to their cave and start a family. It's probably encoded in our DNA that this is the way it should be, and if not then it's tradition. Of course, the sport of dating has changed since civility was brought and integrated as part of society and a rule to living, but the idea has not. We are the agressors still, and will always be. More and more women are starting to change that by pursuing rather than being pursued, but for the most part it's all on us. That's just the way it is.



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27 Jan 2009, 8:42 pm

Brandon_M wrote:
It has been like this since the beginning of time when cavemen would beat them over the head with a club and drag them to their cave and start a family.

I don't know how the idea that this ever happened got started, but it really needs to go away.


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27 Jan 2009, 8:59 pm

twoshots wrote:
Brandon_M wrote:
It has been like this since the beginning of time when cavemen would beat them over the head with a club and drag them to their cave and start a family.

I don't know how the idea that this ever happened got started, but it really needs to go away.


I'm not sure if it's fact or not, but as it can't be proven it cannot be disproven either. This was before written records, where paintings were all they had to go on. However, it is a widely spread and and accepted idea, and it's not an illogical one seeing as though we've become less barbaric and more civilized through the course of time (for the most part and depending on what you'd consider barbaric) so backwards reasoning would lead me to assume just that. After all, it was survival of the fittest back then. I'm sorry if i've offended with my post.



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27 Jan 2009, 10:30 pm

Brandon_M wrote:
twoshots wrote:
Brandon_M wrote:
It has been like this since the beginning of time when cavemen would beat them over the head with a club and drag them to their cave and start a family.

I don't know how the idea that this ever happened got started, but it really needs to go away.


I'm not sure if it's fact or not, but as it can't be proven it cannot be disproven either. This was before written records, where paintings were all they had to go on. However, it is a widely spread and and accepted idea, and it's not an illogical one seeing as though we've become less barbaric and more civilized through the course of time (for the most part and depending on what you'd consider barbaric) so backwards reasoning would lead me to assume just that. After all, it was survival of the fittest back then. I'm sorry if i've offended with my post.

You'd be hard pressed to find an analog in either ape or modern primitives of anything that crude, and no anthropologist or psychologist holds that that was ever how things went. People in the past probably displayed similar nuance and diversity in their mating styles to more modern hunter gatherer populations.


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