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makuranososhi
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14 Mar 2009, 1:35 am

Can appreciate what you say, Zegh; it distracts from the issue at had. Many substances can be abused, and one need not confuse the issue in order to get on their own soap box. Abuse is a dangerous thing, and there is a fine line between use and abuse. Awareness is the biggest aspect in avoiding it in yourself and recognizing it in others.


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14 Mar 2009, 4:09 pm

Well, BF offered a sincere and extensive, genuine apology. He sees the wisdom in what I did, where he once saw only betrayal. He is getting help for his addiction problem. After all, he's been off the stuff for a month. I called his therapist a month ago to let her know, during the same time he bottomed out and said he wanted to stop.

So, we have made up and we are back together.


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14 Mar 2009, 4:26 pm

whitetiger wrote:
Well, BF offered a sincere and extensive, genuine apology. He sees the wisdom in what I did, where he once saw only betrayal. He is getting help for his addiction problem. After all, he's been off the stuff for a month. I called his therapist a month ago to let her know, during the same time he bottomed out and said he wanted to stop.

So, we have made up and we are back together.


hah! there you go! :D
he only needed to get off his oh-so-offended highhorse!



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14 Mar 2009, 4:29 pm

People with addictions make the worst partners. The only way you want someone with an addiction is IF they have done intense spiritual work on themselves and have a long track record of good behavior. Even then, a lot of them are nuts. I'm a former addict so A) I'm not biased and I have also dated other recovering addicts and seen them in relationships so B) I know first hand that it rarely works.

Too bad. There's some nice people who become addicts/alcoholics, but the lifestyle of lying and all the negative character traits that come from addiction often remain much longer than the addiction itself.



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14 Mar 2009, 4:38 pm

about pills+alcohol leading to heroin, sorry to say this so many times. i am just reciting what the counselors in the drug addiction recovery center have told me when we were chatting before work. they each have many friends in the community who have been through this, have 8 years of esperience and so on.



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14 Mar 2009, 4:45 pm

Learning2Survive wrote:
about pills+alcohol leading to heroin, sorry to say this so many times. i am just reciting what the counselors in the drug addiction recovery center have told me when we were chatting before work. they each have many friends in the community who have been through this, have 8 years of esperience and so on.


drug addiction recovery personell would only know of the worst cases, and the _minority_ of the worst cases, who actually go to treatment.
what they told you is an occurence, not a rule.
sure people do pills + alcohol and then do heroin, but these people, believe-you-me, have allready done coke, speed, meth, crack, you name it

its also VERY crowd-depending. if your problem is an addiction to meds, its just as likely that all your friends are normal and "legit" people. people who try heroin, no matter the reason why, allready are into a criminal crowd, how else did you get the heroin?

try just strolling into the ghetto, and asking people for heroin, youll limp your way out again, robbed naked.

its clear that you were speaking from a good place, but i (and others) thought it kinda shadowed the actual issue, with other more-or-less related issues. using pills + boose is just that, pills + boose. if heroin follows, then there are many many other problems (or glaring warning signs if you will ) to pick at, such as bad crowds, other drug addictions, in and out of jail, etc...


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14 Mar 2009, 5:14 pm

ZEGH8578 wrote:
Learning2Survive wrote:
about pills+alcohol leading to heroin, sorry to say this so many times. i am just reciting what the counselors in the drug addiction recovery center have told me when we were chatting before work. they each have many friends in the community who have been through this, have 8 years of esperience and so on.


drug addiction recovery personell would only know of the worst cases, and the _minority_ of the worst cases, who actually go to treatment.
what they told you is an occurence, not a rule.
sure people do pills + alcohol and then do heroin, but these people, believe-you-me, have allready done coke, speed, meth, crack, you name it

its also VERY crowd-depending. if your problem is an addiction to meds, its just as likely that all your friends are normal and "legit" people. people who try heroin, no matter the reason why, allready are into a criminal crowd, how else did you get the heroin?

try just strolling into the ghetto, and asking people for heroin, youll limp your way out again, robbed naked.

its clear that you were speaking from a good place, but i (and others) thought it kinda shadowed the actual issue, with other more-or-less related issues. using pills + boose is just that, pills + boose. if heroin follows, then there are many many other problems (or glaring warning signs if you will ) to pick at, such as bad crowds, other drug addictions, in and out of jail, etc...


all i am saying is when addicts run out of prescription meds they turn to heroin to get the same high.



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14 Mar 2009, 5:43 pm

Learning2Survive wrote:
ZEGH8578 wrote:
Learning2Survive wrote:
about pills+alcohol leading to heroin, sorry to say this so many times. i am just reciting what the counselors in the drug addiction recovery center have told me when we were chatting before work. they each have many friends in the community who have been through this, have 8 years of esperience and so on.


drug addiction recovery personell would only know of the worst cases, and the _minority_ of the worst cases, who actually go to treatment.
what they told you is an occurence, not a rule.
sure people do pills + alcohol and then do heroin, but these people, believe-you-me, have allready done coke, speed, meth, crack, you name it

its also VERY crowd-depending. if your problem is an addiction to meds, its just as likely that all your friends are normal and "legit" people. people who try heroin, no matter the reason why, allready are into a criminal crowd, how else did you get the heroin?

try just strolling into the ghetto, and asking people for heroin, youll limp your way out again, robbed naked.

its clear that you were speaking from a good place, but i (and others) thought it kinda shadowed the actual issue, with other more-or-less related issues. using pills + boose is just that, pills + boose. if heroin follows, then there are many many other problems (or glaring warning signs if you will ) to pick at, such as bad crowds, other drug addictions, in and out of jail, etc...


all i am saying is when addicts run out of prescription meds they turn to heroin to get the same high.


no, they MAY turn to heroin IF they know the crowd and IF they want to go as far as heroin for a rush. they MAY also turn to pot.

MAY and IF are essential here.

i dont wanna go all "been there" here, but i have, with a surprising ammount of people i know (lowlife outcast like me only get lowlife outcast friends, who are "NT" and therefore got other issues. often issues turning to drug issues) ON pills AND booze, and N O N E of them tried heroin.

most people know what a curse heroin is, and will stay away, pills+booze or not. yes they MAY, but that doesnt equal WILL.


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14 Mar 2009, 6:08 pm

Learning2Survive wrote:
all i am saying is when addicts run out of prescription meds they turn to heroin to get the same high.


Which is opinion, and inaccurate. It sounds like the use of horror stories, modern day faerie tales, to deter people from taking a path. I'm not suggesting that drinking and popping pills is a good idea, but there is NO correlation that when someone runs out of their meds, they are going to hop in the car and head off to find a heroin dealer. You are continuing to take this off the original topic; if you wish to continue, I suggest that you make your own topic for this issue and see what sort of replies you get.


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16 Mar 2009, 4:01 pm

whitetiger wrote:
Well, BF offered a sincere and extensive, genuine apology. He sees the wisdom in what I did, where he once saw only betrayal. He is getting help for his addiction problem. After all, he's been off the stuff for a month. I called his therapist a month ago to let her know, during the same time he bottomed out and said he wanted to stop.

So, we have made up and we are back together.


Hurrah! It sounds like you had a transformative moment with the BF. Hopefully you can both see better how needs are met and expressed.