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But putting her guard up and being afraid to tell them means that she thinks maybe they'd react like that. I don't have a solution here and I am sorry for your friend, but I think that perhaps I wouldn't want to be friends with someone who could think that of me anyway.
And what did he say? It happened to me once that girl told me openly, then if I remember well (it was like 6-7 years ago, so I might be wrong) it just felt netural to say "because I don't love you", when she asked me why.
One time I made excuses was when a guy like 5-6 years older I think (I was 18 or 19) on the train kept talking to me for like half an hour and when he had to get off he asked for my number. I didn't know him at all anyway and I am not gay, maybe he thought so because I used to have very long hair.
But putting her guard up and being afraid to tell them means that she thinks maybe they'd react like that. I don't have a solution here and I am sorry for your friend, but I think that perhaps I wouldn't want to be friends with someone who could think that of me anyway.
And what did he say? It happened to me once that girl told me openly, then if I remember well (it was like 6-7 years ago, so I might be wrong) it just felt netural to say "because I don't love you", when she asked me why.
One time I made excuses was when a guy like 5-6 years older I think (I was 18 or 19) on the train kept talking to me for like half an hour and when he had to get off he asked for my number. I didn't know him at all anyway and I am not gay, maybe he thought so because I used to have very long hair.
She is still friends with guys she is just more wary and is more careful when rejecting guys. I think it was confusing because the guy showed absolutely no signs of agression before that. He also knew she had a boyfriend
When I told him I liked him he kissed me so yea I was lead on
I am not saying that she isn't friends with them, I just say that I would feel really uncomfortable with my friend thinking that of me.
So he kissed you but then didn't want to be your bf? That's pretty f'd up of him.
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You sounded like you were addressing someone.
But it really sucks that if the girl doesn't like us back she might think that we are violent or rapists. I wouldn't want anyone to think that of me.
Did you tell him openly? Was he taking advantage of your feelings?
The place of those who do rape threats for whatever reason is prison.
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I am not saying that she isn't friends with them, I just say that I would feel really uncomfortable with my friend thinking that of me.
So he kissed you but then didn't want to be your bf? That's pretty f'd up of him.
No, a guy also has the right to say No at any moment. He might have liked her first, then a moment later decided to cut it with her for some reason.
Alliekit should not feel entitled for a relationship with him.
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I am not saying that she isn't friends with them, I just say that I would feel really uncomfortable with my friend thinking that of me.
So he kissed you but then didn't want to be your bf? That's pretty f'd up of him.
No, a guy also has the right to say No at any moment. He might have liked her first, then a moment later decided to cut it with her for some reason.
Alliekit should not feel entitled for a relationship with him.
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I didn't but it was a slap in the face when I confronted him about it and he said he was doing me a favour by giving me my first kiss with someone I liked.
I knew he didn't like me so I should have known better
You know that was a moment that really hurt me and was hard to share so I would appreciate you not being sarcastic about it
You sounded like you were addressing someone.
But it really sucks that if the girl doesn't like us back she might think that we are violent or rapists. I wouldn't want anyone to think that of me.
Did you tell him openly? Was he taking advantage of your feelings?
The place of those who do rape threats for whatever reason is prison.
Yea we called the police and they gave him an official warning.
I knew he didn't like me so I should have known better
Yeah he is a jerk, I am sorry.
It's ok I'm happy now and I can now understand where guys are coming from.
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Sorry about that Alliekit.
Ok; just a note to everyone (not only to you Alliekit): A mutually consent kiss is not a guarantee for sex or even a relationship.
Do not mistake a kiss as a yes for everything.
For some of us we might think it means something further, but for others it can be just for sport.
Ok; just a note to everyone (not only to you Alliekit): A mutually consent kiss is not a guarantee for sex or even a relationship.
Do not mistake a kiss as a yes for everything.
For some of us we might think it means something further, but for others it can be just for sport.
It's ok and I realise that now. I was so innocent and infatuated with him at the time I didn't realise.
Have you ever looked into someone's face that you cared about, told them something you knew would hurt their feelings, and then watched their smile slowly collapse as the hurt/rejection sinks in? That does not feel good to do unless you are a sociopath who enjoys watching other people suffer. It is not easy to reject someone when you know it is going to make them feel bad. Many women won't say "I'm not attracted to you" outright because they know it's hurtful to be rejected and they don't want to have to do that. They are usually hoping that eventually the guy will end up liking someone else and so he won't be bothered by the fact that they don't want to date him because they will be emotionally invested in someone else by then, and so they won't ever have to say "I don't like you that way" out loud and no one needs to feel hurt.
Most of us have tried the direct route and have been screamed at or assaulted for being so "honest and considerate of the guy's feelings" and so learned to not reject outright like that anymore because it can be dangerous. Until you've had a girl (one bigger and stronger than you) yell in your face "Fine, I never wanted to date you anyway you fat ugly loser! I was just joking obviously, no one would ever want to date a piece of s**t like you!" and maybe threatened when you rejected her advance, you can't really relate to what it's like for most women. I've been yelled at in such a way for rejecting the advances of a cat-caller--it's scary when it happens, especially if you are alone and don't know if the guy is going to physically come after you as well as shout horrible nasty things at you. There is a certain kind of guy who is most dangerous when feeling rejected and insecure, and we can't always tell who those guys will be until they explode on us--so we are careful instead, and get insulted by guys like you for being "stupid".
Guess women just can't do anything right, because either way we get guys telling us how wrong and stupid and what selfish inconsiderate b*****s we are whatever we do.
I agree with you. Men can be terrifying and hurtful when you reject them. You don't always know which ones are going to flip their s**t either, even the ones you "know" are sometimes very good liars and hide their ugly side very well until you do something they don't like. I've had men threaten to rape me and hurl tons of verbal abuse just for saying I wasn't interested.
Hell, I've felt pressured to date guys I wasn't interested in before - like scared to say no. I dated one guy like that when I was younger, and when I broke up with him he and his friends stalked me for half a year, telling me I was still dating him and just following me around watching me. Long before I even turned 18 I saw how gross and aggressive dudes can be, and how manipulative too. Always fun when you meet a guy and tell him you aren't interested and he tries to turn it around on if you were really nice you'd give him a chance and care about what he wants. Somehow ignoring the fact that he doesn't care what you want.
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Wilburforce:
I wasn't meaning to address you directly and never thought you might be doing those things.
I was just talking about the men and women that DO these things to others (be friends with someone romantically interested in them and lead them on)
Alliekit:
I'm sorry that happened to your friend.
I don't in any way support or condone just how angry some men can get when they're rejected, I was just pointing out that it's real and it happens, and that it's also just best to reject them as early as possible and as soon as you figure out they are interested in being more than friends.
Because if sometimes if someone is friends with someone they are secretly attracted to, and the other person knows but chooses to ignore the other person's advances, or even do romantic or sexual type things with the other person, but the other person is also frequently involved with other men, uses him to complain about her problems with them, and otherwise always leave things open-ended rather than reject him, this can only over-time ignite the flame of frustration and anger the person feels.
Unrequited love isn't just painful - it's dangerous, for both the person feeling it and the target of their affections.
The strongest obsessions can even mess with one's mental state and sanity.
As shown on these forums, loneliness alone has a big effect on people's lives (being one of the sole sources of severe depression, anxiety, etc. for some)
So if anything, always reject a male as directly as possible as early as you can.
Peacesells is correct - if you are afraid the other person will react aggressively, that just says you don't know them well enough or trust them enough to know how they are likely to react.
And if you've known them for years and they still react with aggression? Don't even continue to be 'just friends' and cut ties right there and then.
Of course, make sure you are with others or at least in a public, open space rather than of course at his house or in a dark alley. Common sense of course.
I realise my friends occurrence isn't common and I do actually agree that as soon as you find out they like you you should let them know you aren't interested. But sometimes it's difficult to know if someone likes you until they say it. My friend is a guy magnet and is really friendly and bubbly so a lot of guys missunderstand her kindness for interest
The guy in my friends situation had been crushing on her for years and she had previously told him she wasn't interested and agreed to remain friends. When she got together with her boyfriend he started texting he telling her he would kill her or kidnap her. She felt bad for him so didn't report it initially. It was when she apologised and said she loved her boyfriend so nothing would happen between her he sent her a text saying 'I'm going to watch you die slowly as I rape you and strangle the life out of you'.
She was really shook up and came to me for help (we lived together at this point). I made her ring the police and they dealt with the guy in front of his mother and warned him one more threat and he would be charged and put on the offenders register. He was a nasty piece of work and for months after she would be worried about seeing him around town. It has been 3 years now and no sign of him, she is happily living with her boyfriend now so there's a happy ending .
So I actually agree the sooner the better but can understand why there may be hesitation. I know a second friend who happily leads guys on and I'm always telling her that it's not fair
If you are in the friendzone, it's your fault. You are either masquerading as her friend because you are too afraid of asking her out and being rejected, or you are masquerading as her friend as a way to remain close to her after she rejected you. Either way, you are being deceitful and not taking responsibility for yourself. If she is not romantically interested in you, don't pretend you are her best friend. Be civil, but move on and try dating other people. Maybe you will find someone you are a better match with. Maybe you two will cross paths later in life and will be more compatible with each other and be something more than friends. Who knows.
So it has to be always a masquerade? Can't they ever be friends for real?
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