No prospect of future GF = Get a prostitute instead?

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26 Jul 2011, 6:10 am

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I know. Prostitution isn't men objectifying women. They didn't pick them off shelves at the super market. If anything, it's women objectifying themselves, but even then that doesn't make sense. It's illegal services rendered. The fact that some are forced into the sex industry is a separate issue of women's rights, but it's not institutionally objectifying them.

Now if you wanna bring up Hustler and PlayBoy, then you have a case. Women are pretty much objectified in our (just about every) culture in one form or another, but not with call girls.


The whole sex industry can be up for review with that type of thinking now. What I find funny as that there some women who are critical of one part of the sex industry and perfecty ok with other parts of the industry. Now feminists can't agree on if there pro or anti. BTW am a male feminist who is again violence against women and gross froms of exploitation, now that goes for all women, men and children invloved in those actvitives now.

Yes its an illegal business service in some parts of the world, a lot like drug dealing. Tho if there laws in place there will alway be a market for theses services.



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26 Jul 2011, 6:10 am

The way I see it, prostitution is a service. Not every man has the privilege to enjoy an intimate sexual relationship with a woman other than a sex worker. Why not allow these men the chance to experience what other men get to experience?

I see no need to demonize the act. If an adult woman is willing to share her body for money, let it be her responsibility and that of whoever sleeps with her. Who are we to treat them as if they are kids who need guidance from big boys and girls like us?



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26 Jul 2011, 7:27 am

I'm somewhat appalled at how many people view hiring a prostitute as a legitimate option. But at the same time, I think a part of me was actually expecting it. The darkest, most cynical part of me that tends to believe the majority of people have mental capacities of dogs.

However, it's all the more reason to celebrate when finding another person who has a brain, some level of self-respect, and a satisfactory level of willpower to grant them the concepts of standards to uphold. I cannot fathom how much I would hate myself to ever stoop to the level of scum required to hire a prostitute.

Here's to hoping this is just another case of me-not-getting-the-joke and that this whole thread is in the name of humor.



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26 Jul 2011, 8:05 am

Scytholder wrote:
The way I see it, prostitution is a service. Not every man has the privilege to enjoy an intimate sexual relationship with a woman other than a sex worker. Why not allow these men the chance to experience what other men get to experience?

I see no need to demonize the act. If an adult woman is willing to share her body for money, let it be her responsibility and that of whoever sleeps with her. Who are we to treat them as if they are kids who need guidance from big boys and girls like us?


Most of the time she isn't willing and is forced into it via sex trafficking. :/



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26 Jul 2011, 10:21 am

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I'm somewhat appalled at how many people view hiring a prostitute as a legitimate option. But at the same time, I think a part of me was actually expecting it. The darkest, most cynical part of me that tends to believe the majority of people have mental capacities of dogs.

However, it's all the more reason to celebrate when finding another person who has a brain, some level of self-respect, and a satisfactory level of willpower to grant them the concepts of standards to uphold. I cannot fathom how much I would hate myself to ever stoop to the level of scum required to hire a prostitute.

I'm somewhat appalled by your (and many other people's) rudeness about this.


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26 Jul 2011, 11:51 am

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You can use women like objects if you want, but don't come whining when a woman uses you in return.


You're damm right I can use prostitutes as prostitutes, just as they can use paying clients as paying clients. Generalizing that to "women" is a wee bit presumptuous.


When you buy a prostitutes, it's because you think it's okay to buy a woman's body as an object. It means you have no respect for the female body and all women have female bodies, not just prostitutes. When you use a woman's body, it's sends a message to all women that a woman's body is something to be used and disrespected.
Men like you are the reason i don't have any reservation towards using men anymore. If men are gonna use women to their advantage, i'll use men to my advantage.


What about men like me that don't use women? I still end up being used... is that fair? What did I do to deserve that?



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26 Jul 2011, 5:51 pm

ToadOfSteel wrote:
Kiran wrote:
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Kiran wrote:
You can use women like objects if you want, but don't come whining when a woman uses you in return.


You're damm right I can use prostitutes as prostitutes, just as they can use paying clients as paying clients. Generalizing that to "women" is a wee bit presumptuous.


When you buy a prostitutes, it's because you think it's okay to buy a woman's body as an object. It means you have no respect for the female body and all women have female bodies, not just prostitutes. When you use a woman's body, it's sends a message to all women that a woman's body is something to be used and disrespected.
Men like you are the reason i don't have any reservation towards using men anymore. If men are gonna use women to their advantage, i'll use men to my advantage.


What about men like me that don't use women? I still end up being used... is that fair? What did I do to deserve that?


You got XY chromosomes, so you deserve it too.



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26 Jul 2011, 7:20 pm

ToadOfSteel wrote:
Kiran wrote:
swbluto wrote:
Kiran wrote:
You can use women like objects if you want, but don't come whining when a woman uses you in return.


You're damm right I can use prostitutes as prostitutes, just as they can use paying clients as paying clients. Generalizing that to "women" is a wee bit presumptuous.


When you buy a prostitutes, it's because you think it's okay to buy a woman's body as an object. It means you have no respect for the female body and all women have female bodies, not just prostitutes. When you use a woman's body, it's sends a message to all women that a woman's body is something to be used and disrespected.
Men like you are the reason i don't have any reservation towards using men anymore. If men are gonna use women to their advantage, i'll use men to my advantage.


What about men like me that don't use women? I still end up being used... is that fair? What did I do to deserve that?

i hear ya. im done being used. im done with all of this BS.



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26 Jul 2011, 7:47 pm

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I'm somewhat appalled at how many people view hiring a prostitute as a legitimate option. But at the same time, I think a part of me was actually expecting it. The darkest, most cynical part of me that tends to believe the majority of people have mental capacities of dogs.

However, it's all the more reason to celebrate when finding another person who has a brain, some level of self-respect, and a satisfactory level of willpower to grant them the concepts of standards to uphold. I cannot fathom how much I would hate myself to ever stoop to the level of scum required to hire a prostitute.

Here's to hoping this is just another case of me-not-getting-the-joke and that this whole thread is in the name of humor.


Now that's a post that's totally lacking in terms of irrationality. I applaud your objectivity.

Maybe one day your wish will come true and all the scum of the earth will be wiped away from this world for having consensual sex with adult women.



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26 Jul 2011, 7:52 pm

Erisad wrote:
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The way I see it, prostitution is a service. Not every man has the privilege to enjoy an intimate sexual relationship with a woman other than a sex worker. Why not allow these men the chance to experience what other men get to experience?

I see no need to demonize the act. If an adult woman is willing to share her body for money, let it be her responsibility and that of whoever sleeps with her. Who are we to treat them as if they are kids who need guidance from big boys and girls like us?


Most of the time she isn't willing and is forced into it via sex trafficking. :/


That is an issue of little relevance to whether the act of prostitution itself is right or wrong.

Also, I dispute the phrase "Most of the time". There are many women, depending on their personality types, who enjoy sex and are willing to do it for money.

But nice try.



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26 Jul 2011, 8:09 pm

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What about men like me that don't use women? I still end up being used... is that fair? What did I do to deserve that?


yes its hypocrisy of some women's attitudes, The last two women I dated (am single now thanks gos, & will now enjoy it :D )
has that attitude that I was an orgnical turkey baster/sex toy. Am a human being not an bological vibrator/baby making machine!!

I use to ask that same questions plus ask why do b*****s(meaing unpleasant women) go a pleasant guy like myself?
Now I started ask myself this what can I do to change the type of woman that are atrracted to me?
The answer so far I come up with that I need to make changes in myself.



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26 Jul 2011, 8:13 pm

cdfox7 wrote:
ToadOfSteel wrote:
What about men like me that don't use women? I still end up being used... is that fair? What did I do to deserve that?


yes its hypocrisy of some women's attitudes, The last two women I dated (am single now thanks gos, & will now enjoy it :D )
has that attitude that I was an orgnical turkey baster/sex toy. Am a human being not an bological vibrator/baby making machine!!

I use to ask that same questions plus ask why do b*****s(meaing unpleasant women) go a pleasant guy like myself?
Now I started ask myself this what can I do to change the type of woman that are atrracted to me?
The answer so far I come up with that I need to make changes in myself.

atleast you were used for that and not used for them to make their lives easier so they have more time to think about all the other guys theyre gonna go talk to or more.



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26 Jul 2011, 8:25 pm

MXH wrote:
cdfox7 wrote:
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What about men like me that don't use women? I still end up being used... is that fair? What did I do to deserve that?


yes its hypocrisy of some women's attitudes, The last two women I dated (am single now thanks gos, & will now enjoy it :D )
has that attitude that I was an orgnical turkey baster/sex toy. Am a human being not an bological vibrator/baby making machine!!

I use to ask that same questions plus ask why do b*****s(meaing unpleasant women) go a pleasant guy like myself?
Now I started ask myself this what can I do to change the type of woman that are atrracted to me?
The answer so far I come up with that I need to make changes in myself.

atleast you were used for that and not used for them to make their lives easier so they have more time to think about all the other guys theyre gonna go talk to or more.


The last one used me has as a therapist to talk about her issues as well as using me as her sex therapist, I stoped sleeping with her last year after we had a big fight about many things one of what to with her high sex drive as she was sleeping with two other man (exculding me and husband) plus she was working as a prostitute.



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27 Jul 2011, 12:22 am

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I'm somewhat appalled by your (and many other people's) rudeness about this.

It should not be very surprising when in the context of reading a topic with users supporting the absolute inverse of your idea of decency in the world, which really only exists as an idea as humans are anything but decent, but we often attempt to hold on to concepts that makes us feel that there is anything much right with things for the sake of our own sanity. My only objective, subconscious and occluded under an impulsive emotion at the time, was the self-gratification of voicing my disapproval in order to curb my frustration that the world is not how I wish it was.

In retrospect I should have recognized that I cannot relate to this topic as I do not understand the weaknesses involved in becoming so addicted to an intensely short-lived activity that you are willing to both pay for it and put your long-term health (and potentially the health of others depending on circumstances and your choices afterward) at risk. I would suspect the chances of my words having any real effect would be about equal to telling a heroin addict that what they are doing is wrong, but I can only speculate.
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Now that's a post that's totally lacking in terms of irrationality. I applaud your objectivity.

I thought so, too, but as a human I am incapable of objectivity.



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27 Jul 2011, 8:08 am

Deuterium wrote:
My only objective, subconscious and occluded under an impulsive emotion at the time, was the self-gratification of voicing my disapproval in order to curb my frustration that the world is not how I wish it was.

Well you did express disapproval, but if disapproval by itself were convincing, this thread wouldn't be 20+ pages long.

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In retrospect I should have recognized that I cannot relate to this topic as I do not understand the weaknesses involved in becoming so addicted to an intensely short-lived activity

Not being able to relate to it doesn't mean you shouldn't have an opinion about it.


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27 Jul 2011, 6:49 pm

The question that needs to be asked are their any women likely to offer their services to him surely no one would object to mutually agreed just sex of the aspie kind between members you know it makes sense. :wink:

Seriously you'd be far better served and just do what most of the men here do and stick to porn :P


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