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07 Sep 2016, 4:36 pm

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Sly - There simply aren't the numbers for all the poor women to get middle class men, outside of the possibility that a lot of women are holding out for such a man (and will never bag one). The sucky thing is that poor men get girlfriends all the time. Their lack of money doesn't stand in the way, at least round here.


Doesn't seem to stop them from demanding it. There's a growing problem in the USA of single women who can't find men good enough for them. More women graduate college then men. There's something like 5 women to 3 men with college education. Varies city to city.
You're in Europe yes? Totally different from the materialist US. Lots of women in the us are asking where are all the good men. What they mean s the middle class educated men. Not morally good. Lots of studies going on about this. We have like a 50%+ single problem. More and more people are staying single and its growing. Unrealistic standards adds to this I believe. As more and more women demand a educated middle class guy and less and less men are educated middle class the problem will grow.

I went to college and got a 2 year degree but it's hardly a 4 year degree and I don't have a good job from it. I'll be making min wage for rest of my life if I'm lucky enough to keep a job. I won't likely have a car every Again(can't afford it on min wage) I'll never own my own place. Feels crappy knowing that all my good attributes don't mean anything without a good income and car.

Women are stating single linger because we're less concerned about marriage and children. We're interested in furthering our own lives. Trust a dude to think it's all about them though lol.


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07 Sep 2016, 4:54 pm

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Unlike the OP, Chelsea Clinton said that she doesn't care about money.

....but she has a $10M apartment, had $3M wedding and a $600,000 annual salary as NBC correspondent (but why it's that high?).

I wish I don't care about money as much as her.


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07 Sep 2016, 5:01 pm

^ and her husband's net worth is 15M. But hey, she doesn't care about money....she surely married him for his 'personality'.
Him being as millionaire as her is just a coincidence. :heart:



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07 Sep 2016, 5:51 pm

Reminds me of this:


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Of course, it's probably quite a bit more complicated than that.

You know sometimes, between the dames and the horses, I don't even know why I put my hat on.


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07 Sep 2016, 6:48 pm

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Sly - There simply aren't the numbers for all the poor women to get middle class men, outside of the possibility that a lot of women are holding out for such a man (and will never bag one). The sucky thing is that poor men get girlfriends all the time. Their lack of money doesn't stand in the way, at least round here.


Doesn't seem to stop them from demanding it. There's a growing problem in the USA of single women who can't find men good enough for them. More women graduate college then men. There's something like 5 women to 3 men with college education. Varies city to city.
You're in Europe yes? Totally different from the materialist US. Lots of women in the us are asking where are all the good men. What they mean s the middle class educated men. Not morally good. Lots of studies going on about this. We have like a 50%+ single problem. More and more people are staying single and its growing. Unrealistic standards adds to this I believe. As more and more women demand a educated middle class guy and less and less men are educated middle class the problem will grow.

I went to college and got a 2 year degree but it's hardly a 4 year degree and I don't have a good job from it. I'll be making min wage for rest of my life if I'm lucky enough to keep a job. I won't likely have a car every Again(can't afford it on min wage) I'll never own my own place. Feels crappy knowing that all my good attributes don't mean anything without a good income and car.

Women are stating single linger because we're less concerned about marriage and children. We're interested in furthering our own lives. Trust a dude to think it's all about them though lol.


Thought they require men to have good income so they can get married and support having kids? Which is it, are women worried about marriage and kids or not? Seems some people will come up with anything to excuse it. I constantly see women talk about having kids and getting married,mor worrie they won't be able to have babies if they don't do it soon. That and complaining there's no good guys out there with good jobs, cars and own place for them to get with.

Sure there's women who don't want kids but I doubt their more then a minority. Half the women in my area on dating sites have multiple kids already and are looking for someone to marry, so how do you explain them away?
I'm fine with them not wanting me though, not sure I want kids, definitely don't want to become an instant father to a 10 year old, 7 year old and 3 year old.



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07 Sep 2016, 9:39 pm

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lidsmichelle wrote:
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Sly - There simply aren't the numbers for all the poor women to get middle class men, outside of the possibility that a lot of women are holding out for such a man (and will never bag one). The sucky thing is that poor men get girlfriends all the time. Their lack of money doesn't stand in the way, at least round here.


Doesn't seem to stop them from demanding it. There's a growing problem in the USA of single women who can't find men good enough for them. More women graduate college then men. There's something like 5 women to 3 men with college education. Varies city to city.
You're in Europe yes? Totally different from the materialist US. Lots of women in the us are asking where are all the good men. What they mean s the middle class educated men. Not morally good. Lots of studies going on about this. We have like a 50%+ single problem. More and more people are staying single and its growing. Unrealistic standards adds to this I believe. As more and more women demand a educated middle class guy and less and less men are educated middle class the problem will grow.

I went to college and got a 2 year degree but it's hardly a 4 year degree and I don't have a good job from it. I'll be making min wage for rest of my life if I'm lucky enough to keep a job. I won't likely have a car every Again(can't afford it on min wage) I'll never own my own place. Feels crappy knowing that all my good attributes don't mean anything without a good income and car.

Women are stating single linger because we're less concerned about marriage and children. We're interested in furthering our own lives. Trust a dude to think it's all about them though lol.


Thought they require men to have good income so they can get married and support having kids? Which is it, are women worried about marriage and kids or not? Seems some people will come up with anything to excuse it. I constantly see women talk about having kids and getting married,mor worrie they won't be able to have babies if they don't do it soon. That and complaining there's no good guys out there with good jobs, cars and own place for them to get with.

Sure there's women who don't want kids but I doubt their more then a minority. Half the women in my area on dating sites have multiple kids already and are looking for someone to marry, so how do you explain them away?
I'm fine with them not wanting me though, not sure I want kids, definitely don't want to become an instant father to a 10 year old, 7 year old and 3 year old.


The laughable thing is after they breeded with these utter morons they want a surrogate daddy to look after their kids. Lol. Between the gold digging and single mother syndrome, American women are the absolute lowest on the worldly totem of females in general.



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07 Sep 2016, 10:23 pm

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...In fact their all so great, talented, educated, have jobs even if min wage, traveled a lot, etc.

...Also outsider, I rather find punk and goth girls cute, whole colored short hair. But even they consider me not good enough.


Even at the tender age of almost 18, I am seeing this myself.

All the girl's my age are so talented and successful already, or at least well on their way.

I want to meet girl's like me, with a disability or some kind, or just girl's who have had a hard life or struggle.

But she's also got to be nice and not messed up in the head (i.e. mean/cruel/aggressive/extremely suicidal and cuts herself and addicted to drugs).

Because every girl I've met who's been through the same things I have, doesn't appear to have survived, and has ended up succumbing to substance abuse/aggression/self-harmer/etc.

All I really want is a poorish girl like me who hasn't given up yet. A fighter.

And yeah, I love goth and punk girls, especially one's who've 'struggled' like me. They don't go for me. They seem to like their guys either skinny pasty 'emos' or tough guy punk gangsta types.

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Then I am below average. No degree. Got job based on who was hiring at the time rather than choosing a career field.

I know NTs often live as you describe. That's how my cousins live. I am not up to their level. They choose their career. They get that type of degree, then they work in the same field as their degree.


I should have been more clear: or at the least have a job of some kind they're doing decent at and promoted at a reasonable pace.

I'd say you still fit into this category.

For example if I had a stable retail job at a clothes store, and living in a decent apartment, own a car and can drive it, etc. than I am 'average' and 'middle class'.

You've got the job, the nice apartment, had the car, at least. You're Aussie middle class in my eyes if not very close (what should be considered by middle class women close enough).

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Probably 75% of the population in the US are NOT like that. Approximately 25% of the population in the US earn Bachelor's Degrees.


Interesting...

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You're in Europe yes? Totally different from the materialist US. Lots of women in the us are asking where are all the good men. What they mean s the middle class educated men. Not morally good. Lots of studies going on about this. We have like a 50%+ single problem. More and more people are staying single and its growing. Unrealistic standards adds to this I believe. As more and more women demand a educated middle class guy and less and less men are educated middle class the problem will grow.


This is true statistically and, in my experiences, anecdotally too.

The U.S. has a rising single rate statistically, along with rising divorce rate. The birth rate is also at an all time low.

The birth rate in Japan is low and having a population crisis due to low fertility levels in young men and most of the population being the oldest population in the world.

Australian single rate is at an all time high.

European birth rate is at an all time low.

I will not blame men or women, it's no one's fault. But there's growing evidence less and less people today are pairing-up.

Here is my evidence:

U.S. birth rate: http://statchatva.org/2016/07/06/the-u- ... bad-thing/

U.S. single rate: http://www.pri.org/stories/2014-09-14/s ... good-thing

European birth rate: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/ ... n-disaster

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... ation.html

Australian single rate: https://aifs.gov.au/publications/demogr ... ving-alone

Japan's 'population crisis' due to having one of the world's lowest fertility, oldest people, and a slowly declining birth rate: http://theweek.com/articles/453219/ever ... ion-crisis

Hopper:

I sit between normal and as anti-normal as they come, especially due to my background (much of my family is the Australian equivalent of an American redneck or whatever you call them in Wales, it's a double-edged sword).

It's just I can't meet abnormal girl's my age who are actually still or trying to be a decent person, at least as much as I am.

There come's a point where 'non-conformity' isn't just bada55 rebellion, but genuinely toxic and counter-productive.



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08 Sep 2016, 3:35 am

It is evident that more and more men leaving the economic race, the incentive to work is not as strong as it used to be. Men are no longer required to provide for a family or support the entire household and this has impacted marriage statistics in the United States.

Many men are starting to realize that marriage isn't a viable option in a society that does not emphasize strong traditional values of monogamy.

http://www.npr.org/2016/09/06/492849471 ... -workforce



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08 Sep 2016, 6:13 am

Are you...agreeing with me?

Disagreeing?

Or simply neutrally stating a fact?

I personally think it's a good thing if people are becoming less and less concerned with the 'rat race' as a society.

Of course, we can't all be lazy and live-off welfare benefits, just that the pressure to achieve great success in today's society, if not most or all of human history, is immense.

As much as I sometimes hate technology, I'm not too against a society where machines do more of our dirty work.

What I have an issue with is when technology actually affects us negatively, and in many ways it has.

We're becoming far lazier with the increase in sedentary lifestyles and overweight and obesity rates due to having less active jobs despite longer working hours. The problem isn't too bad right now globally, but if we rely on tech too much we could one day very well end up like the people in the movie Wall.E.

Humanities health as a whole may be at risk in the next 50-100 years if we don't find ways to make most jobs more active.

When I say active, I don't mean having to go back to the days of hard labor, but simply incorporating more physical movement whether it be something as simple as walking would help.

Also, there's a variety of health issues that have been found to be caused by too much screen-time.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/me ... -the-brain

Our life expectancy has been increasing for the past few decades and is predicted to do so, but more years on this Earth for almost everyone isn't truly worth it if most of those years will be spent in poor health anyway, in my opinion.

So, a more automated society where most of the heavy labor is done by machines, most people work less hours, don't have to spend almost half a million dollars in some cases just to get the education needed to work in their chosen field, whatever jobs we do have left being altered to include more physical activity and less screen time to improve health and well-being (among with more socialization if necessary, to prevent decaying social skills), a good welfare system like Australia (anyone who doesn't work gets paid from social security anyway, it's a decent amount to survive on, but with immense pressure to find work) and we have more free-time, sounds ideal to me.

Though it's likely impossible, the world could get reasonably close to this dream.



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08 Sep 2016, 10:31 am

I am stating that the decline in birth rate could be related to amount of men in the workplace, men no longer need to work for long hours. The loss of manual jobs has the biggest impact on working class men as industry has been there cornerstone for many years. On the other hand, it will increase revenue and shareholder profit for big businesses the elite.



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08 Sep 2016, 5:01 pm

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lidsmichelle wrote:
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Sly - There simply aren't the numbers for all the poor women to get middle class men, outside of the possibility that a lot of women are holding out for such a man (and will never bag one). The sucky thing is that poor men get girlfriends all the time. Their lack of money doesn't stand in the way, at least round here.
Doesn't seem to stop them from demanding it. There's a growing problem in the USA of single women who can't find men good enough for them. More women graduate college then men. There's something like 5 women to 3 men with college education. Varies city to city.
You're in Europe yes? Totally different from the materialist US. Lots of women in the us are asking where are all the good men. What they mean s the middle class educated men. Not morally good. Lots of studies going on about this. We have like a 50%+ single problem. More and more people are staying single and its growing. Unrealistic standards adds to this I believe. As more and more women demand a educated middle class guy and less and less men are educated middle class the problem will grow.

I went to college and got a 2 year degree but it's hardly a 4 year degree and I don't have a good job from it. I'll be making min wage for rest of my life if I'm lucky enough to keep a job. I won't likely have a car every Again(can't afford it on min wage) I'll never own my own place. Feels crappy knowing that all my good attributes don't mean anything without a good income and car.
Women are stating single linger because we're less concerned about marriage and children. We're interested in furthering our own lives. Trust a dude to think it's all about them though lol.
Thought they require men to have good income so they can get married and support having kids? Which is it, are women worried about marriage and kids or not? Seems some people will come up with anything to excuse it. I constantly see women talk about having kids and getting married,mor worrie they won't be able to have babies if they don't do it soon. That and complaining there's no good guys out there with good jobs, cars and own place for them to get with.

Sure there's women who don't want kids but I doubt their more then a minority. Half the women in my area on dating sites have multiple kids already and are looking for someone to marry, so how do you explain them away?
I'm fine with them not wanting me though, not sure I want kids, definitely don't want to become an instant father to a 10 year old, 7 year old and 3 year old.
Silly Sly. Thinking it's all about men. It's never about men.

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08 Sep 2016, 7:27 pm

Thats a really good point Outrider. I listen to a lot of Joe Rogan podcasts and the last few seem to screaming that the future is going to be full star trek where everyone is integrated with tech and spend all their time at standing or walking desks because of health concerns. When I heard 'sitting is the new smoking' somewhere I knew for sure what the next push is going to be and-
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lol



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14 Sep 2016, 7:16 pm

Lol, I remember those videos!

True story, a former friend from high school is completely and absolutely middle class, and her early 20s oldr brother, who was supposed to be saving to move out, blew it all on a brand new flashy roofless car.

It was no Ferrari or Lamborghini, but something like this:

https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/imag ... ZVs674BmRg

You can't say he was "rich" - he was still living at home!



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14 Sep 2016, 7:27 pm

LOL...you've been 17 now for about two years, it seems.

Are you like Jack Benny---who was always 39 even when he was 75?