Would you dump someone who got fat?

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13 May 2012, 12:29 pm

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And look at how those comments make you feel, they've turned you into a cynic, and yet you think it is perfectly OK to inflict that on someone else?

I am not saying you have to start a relationship with anyone, just be careful how you word the rejection. WHY is that so hard to do? Why fight so hard for your right to be insulting? Because you feel people have done it to you?

If you aren't attracted to someone, you just don't approach them.

If you are forced to decline a set up, you can simply say, "I just don't feel the chemistry."

If you get pushed into having to say more, you can maybe get away with "I worry she doesn't value healthy eating and exercise the way I do." And if that doesn't work, go back to, "I am sorry, it just isn't there for me." NEVER should you HAVE to say, "I don't like her body."

Is it really that hard????


That's just the thing. I don't approach them, they approach me. They then get pushy or belligerent when I respond in anything except a positive manner. Eventually If I've tried every other way of saying no, I have no choice but to be bluntly honest with them. Or, if some one has tried to set me up with them they get mad when I don't show interest in their friend. You are acting as if I go out in public and am purposefully insulting to people. Which dovetails nicely into this:

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There is a difference between a lie and keeping something to yourself. I don't tell every person I meet whether or not I find them sexually appealing.


Neither do I. You are assuming that I speak to people in real life the same way I speak to people on the Internet.



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13 May 2012, 12:33 pm

rabbittss wrote:
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And look at how those comments make you feel, they've turned you into a cynic, and yet you think it is perfectly OK to inflict that on someone else?

I am not saying you have to start a relationship with anyone, just be careful how you word the rejection. WHY is that so hard to do? Why fight so hard for your right to be insulting? Because you feel people have done it to you?

If you aren't attracted to someone, you just don't approach them.

If you are forced to decline a set up, you can simply say, "I just don't feel the chemistry."

If you get pushed into having to say more, you can maybe get away with "I worry she doesn't value healthy eating and exercise the way I do." And if that doesn't work, go back to, "I am sorry, it just isn't there for me." NEVER should you HAVE to say, "I don't like her body."

Is it really that hard????


That's just the thing. I don't approach them, they approach me. They then get pushy or belligerent when I respond in anything except a positive manner. Eventually If I've tried every other way of saying no, I have no choice but to be bluntly honest with them. Or, if some one has tried to set me up with them they get mad when I don't show interest in their friend. You are acting as if I go out in public and am purposefully insulting to people. Which dovetails nicely into this:

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There is a difference between a lie and keeping something to yourself. I don't tell every person I meet whether or not I find them sexually appealing.


Neither do I. You are assuming that I speak to people in real life the same way I speak to people on the Internet.



hmmm ... well, I'd stick to the script: "I am sorry, I am sure you are very nice, but I just don't feel the chemistry with you, and I don't see how I can change that. I am sure some other guy will be very happy to have you interested in him, but it just isn't me."

Don't expect anyone to ever take rejection well, that just isn't human nature, but while you can get them out of your face with brutal honesty, you just hurt yourself in the long run, as people will see you as a jerk.


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13 May 2012, 12:34 pm

I don't find very fat women so physically attractive. I prefer skinnier women.

I also don't find the vast majority of black African women physically appealing because I don't think extremely dark skin (and by extremely dark I mean bluish black) looks so good on a woman (according to my personal taste) but that is already a different story.



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13 May 2012, 12:53 pm

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If you truly care for someone you will try and stop them from hitting bottom. It's your duty as a caring and loving partner to intervene. And if the person in question refuses your help and takes offence to what is being said to them, then they are quite immature and that is their issue. They are in serious denial. Sometimes it's necessary to to be cruel to be kind. If a partner became addicted to alcohol and drugs, and caused a fracture in the relationship, should we just leave them to it?


That's my thing, if you're married, you know, yeah, you're stuck with them, but someone becoming fat really quickly isn't an "Aww..." kinda thing going on, it's serious business. And yes, generally when people do gain weight, they do lose self esteem, their health does deteriorate, I know because I've gone through it.

As far as the "I wouldn't date those Aspie types." argument. Well, people are entitled to that opinion. If the rest of the world doesn't like me, it's not my job to convince the rest of the world to like me. Either they do or they don't. I'd like people to be "open minded" towards me, but I don't want them forced to like me out of pity or because outside influences are "making" them, I want people who will really be my friends. I've dealt with friends who were basically friends with me out of pity/obligation, and it wasn't a good experience, as they're friends because they feel obligated, not because they actually like you as a person. So this is the same thing as forcing yourself to have an open mind and date fat women, to me it's the same thought process involved.



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13 May 2012, 1:40 pm

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I don't find very fat women so physically attractive. I prefer skinnier women.

I also don't find the vast majority of black African women physically appealing because I don't think extremely dark skin (and by extremely dark I mean bluish black) looks so good on a woman (according to my personal taste) but that is already a different story.


The vast majority of black African women come in shades other than "bluish black". There are several shades of brown, but that is also a different story.



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13 May 2012, 2:02 pm

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All right, here's another thing. Cooking. If a woman can cook, then you know, that gives them a lot of slack. Seriously. My neighbor once told me "There's two ways a woman can satisfy a man, through his dick and through his stomach." Most people might find this odd and sexist and think I'm Jackie Gleeson or something, but cooking is a requirement for a serious girlfriend or wife to me. If a woman is unwilling to learn to cook, it says a LOT about her personality to me.

I'm mainly saying this as my parents' marriage seemed to dissolve over my mother not being able to cook or willing to learn how to do it. Before my parent's divorced, my dad did all the cooking, and I was healthy and skinny. Everyone in my house except me complained about my dad's "weird" food like horrors of horrors, CABBAGE or BEANS, and GREENS, or WHOLE WHEAT, except me, I loved it. So all this time, I observed my mother and sisters deride my dad for his attempts at living healthily.

Then when my mom got custody, she didn't know how to cook, so except for some occasional burgers with no seasoning or steak and potatoes with no seasoning, it was all TV dinners and canned food. My weight shot up like crazy, and I got really unhappy during that time. For me, nutrition really is like half the battle, if I have good nutrition, I'm happy, and usually unaware of my NVLD symptoms, my reaction times are quicker, I am more alert, and I'm simply smarter and more productive. Then when my nutrition is out of whack, that's when problems occur. I eventually got so mad over my nutrition, that as a teenaged male, usually the last people who wanna learn to cook, I learned to cook myself, and would even spend my allowance to buy healthy food. Now I'm a pretty damned good cook, most people think I'm very good. But, it came out of...that. Out of my mother, unwittingly, being nutritionally negligent with me. I'd have to be crazy to hook myself up with a person who I'd be unequally yoked nutritionally and healthwise with, after seeing all the consequences of that first hand. So it's not just an issue of aesthetics, it's a much much deeper issue than just that.


As I posted earlier, I actually do think eating habits are an important compatbility factor, not that someone has to start on the same plane as you, but they should be willing to go there. In a marriage, you eat together, and feed kids together.

Sorry your mom didn't know how to feed you in a healthy way.


Well that's the thing, there's some leeway, but if it's a matter of trying to "change" the other person, I unfortunately cannot modify a person like a car, people are damned hard to modify, so yeah...



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13 May 2012, 2:56 pm

1000Knives, would you share the cooking duty? i don't understand what the problem was with your dad cooking. did your mother work or do the rest of the chores?


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13 May 2012, 3:14 pm

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I even


That's quite conceited, maybe you should address that. No-one likes a smartarse.



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13 May 2012, 3:15 pm

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I actually haven't had big gripes with the posts of yours that I read, I am sorry if it came across that way. But I can say that using the language I suggested will improve your lot in the dating world and with women in general, AND work much better when you are in a relationship and she happens to gain a few. You have no duty to accurately represent what you really want to the world at large, so forget the worry it is a misrepresentation, and use the concepts that are more appealing to and accepted by women. It is ALSO want you want, I've read your posts, being with a thin women who ate like crap would not suit you.


Sorry I took it that way then though, as it happens, I am with a relatively thin woman who eats like crap and she suits me fine.

I also think that people may have gotten the wrong idea about my preferences, so this is for clarity ratther than argumentativeness. Just because there is such a thing as being too overweight for my preferences does not mean I need my partner to be "thin." Nor do I believe that my preferences represent some objective ideal.

All I meant to say in this thread is that physical attraction matters, even if it is subjective, and that there is nothing wrong with taking it into account when choosing a partner.


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13 May 2012, 3:16 pm

rabbittss, you are once again putting down large women as though they are beneath you. first of all, they aren't. and second of all, it is profoundly offensive for you to say that here. that would be a good thing to keep to yourself on WP. it's one thing to express that they are not your type, and it is another thing to express that you consider them to be lesser.


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13 May 2012, 3:36 pm

ZX_SpectrumDisorder wrote:
techstepgenr8tion wrote:

I even


That's quite conceited, maybe you should address that. No-one likes a smartarse.

Meh, I probably shouldn't be writing lengthy posts while hung over. In the specific area of self-awareness, self-analysis, self-help the 'I even' is applicable but I absolutely vouch that there are a lot of other areas of life where I feel rock dumb or like I'm mentally wheezing and out of breath fast trying to keep up with people.


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13 May 2012, 3:56 pm

Well, in the context of your post, you basically said that I was of lesser intelligence than you.



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13 May 2012, 4:06 pm

I don't think I know what post you're talking about then. Most of my posts earlier were quoting hyperlexian and debating a point regarding how much control people have of their 'hardships' and it wasn't even around attraction or lack of attraction to the obese, it was a point about people saying they're surrounded by social darwinists and whether or not they're at fault for their surroundings.


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13 May 2012, 4:16 pm

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1000Knives, would you share the cooking duty? i don't understand what the problem was with your dad cooking. did your mother work or do the rest of the chores?


Both worked about equal amounts. Both were overworked from...working, and both didn't do chores really. But my dad would do all the cooking. That's an entirely separate discussion, needless to say, I'm quite picky, maybe impossibly so about marriage. My wife would have to be content with less money, and just driving used cars and the like, after seeing how my parent's marriage got ruined by different ideals about money, with my dad basically sharing the ideals I have today. It seems like my parent's marriage, like many marriages, was done out of "aww, f**k it." Also, I'd like to live in a rural area, too, like out in Maine. So it's gonna be damned hard to find a wife on the same page as me, but maybe, who knows.

The biggest thing regarding specifically the food. Yes, I'd be willing to share cooking duty, that's not really an issue. The issue is ideals. My mom wouldn't eat very much healthy food, and my father would. So what happened was, my mother not only wouldn't cook, she'd not eat much of the food my father cooked, and then would deride my father and basically call him a freak for his "health freak" ways. IE, my dad was concerned with hydrogenated oil and whole wheat in the 90s before those two things were recognized by the general public. Also, my mother's favorite drink was Diet Coke, and my dad rightly recognized the dangers of aspartame. When I lived with my mother at first, one of the only flavored drinks she'd buy was Diet Coke, so I started drinking it. I started getting headaches and my heart would have palpitations. I thought it was just from caffeine, but then I had a whole pot of coffee and was perfectly fine, and had the same bad effects from seltzer with aspartame. As soon as I cut out Aspartame, I was fine.

Now, I deal with the exact same problems my dad dealt with. Mind you, my dad I guess could have been pushy about his health stuff, but he was right. Like for example, my mom wasn't buying meat for like a month, but she'd buy bottled water and frozen dinners. And for me now, I cook lots of great stuff that my friends readily will eat, but the rest of my family thinks it's "weird" because it's not from a damned box. And it sucks, to have your "work" being cooking, not validated by your own family, you know? I think a lot of what made my dad unhappy was lack of validation, my mother refused to eat probably half of what my dad cooked, you know? It'd be one thing if it was just about work duty, but situations like that, yeah...



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13 May 2012, 4:31 pm

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I don't find very fat women so physically attractive. I prefer skinnier women.

I also don't find the vast majority of black African women physically appealing because I don't think extremely dark skin (and by extremely dark I mean bluish black) looks so good on a woman (according to my personal taste) but that is already a different story.


And this is how you do it.
This poster has outlined their preferences without asserting that their preferences are the norm or that people who don't fit them are gross/unsightly.
(now do I think maybe it would be good for them to examine the potential sociological roots of those preferences yes, but that's a separate issue)

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13 May 2012, 4:40 pm

People can be dicks - awesome news. I can assert my preferences are the norm, someone else can assert otherwise. Who cares.
I just know my reality cant co-exist with someone who needs a winch to get out of bed, has difficulty finding clothes that fit and rides a mobility scooter despite not having a disability.