How can I tell my girlfriend she is fat?
Man you are 6"3. No one will ever consider you short... not even average. You are tall for every girl out there. Some even will say that you are too tall.
Stop keeping yourself down Sly. It will only makes things worse.
Taller then most women yes, but there’s many 6’ guys here so I’m not so special. I’m sure if I lived in China women would find me special. But here 6’ men are not special or rare. So it’s not something that works in my favor. I don’t stand out amongst other men, sure being shorter would make it worse, but it doesn’t help here being 6’ tall.
Just like if most guys in your area were super handsome and so were you, being super handsome wouldn’t stand out anymore. It’s just average then.
Same reason rich people will never allow others to become rich if everyone was a billionaire then being a billionaire would lose its novelty
What the hell to do you mean with "will never allow others to become rich?"
If you want to become rich, either invent something, or start your own bussiness, no rich people will try to stop you.
Man you are 6"3. No one will ever consider you short... not even average. You are tall for every girl out there. Some even will say that you are too tall.
Stop keeping yourself down Sly. It will only makes things worse.
Taller then most women yes, but there’s many 6’ guys here so I’m not so special. I’m sure if I lived in China women would find me special. But here 6’ men are not special or rare. So it’s not something that works in my favor. I don’t stand out amongst other men, sure being shorter would make it worse, but it doesn’t help here being 6’ tall.
Just like if most guys in your area were super handsome and so were you, being super handsome wouldn’t stand out anymore. It’s just average then.
Same reason rich people will never allow others to become rich if everyone was a billionaire then being a billionaire would lose its novelty
What the hell to do you mean with "will never allow others to become rich?"
If you want to become rich, either invent something, or start your own bussiness, no rich people will try to stop you.
Any money you gain is money they lose. They don’t want to lose money. So they make it hard for people to become rich. The middle class is shrinking so rich can have more money in their bank accounts.
When I’m on the train, I see that most men range from around 5 foot 7 to about 6 foot.
A man 6 foot 3 looks mighty tall when he’s standing up straight.
But I live in the Pacific Northwest. Maybe people are taller hear cause of our outdoors heiritage ?
I think one has to be very careful approaching this topic. With any addiction, I'm pretty sure that the person is already aware of the problem, and feels bad about it. Making them feel worse about themselves will just add more fuel to the addiction. On the other side of it, I don't agree with people who advise to not say anything at all, as that could be interpreted as being completely apathic to the problem. Approach it with compassion, and most importantly, understanding. The worst thing one can do, is say that you don't understand why the person is doing it, that's just being dumb. It's actually pretty obvious why people fall into addictive behaviours, and no person on this earth is above them.
Men in Nordic countries are, on average, 2-3 inches taller than American men.
Men in African countries are almost always shorter, by 2-3 inches, than American men.
Men in eastern Asian countries average about my height—or 4-5 inches shorter than American men.
I came out 5 inches shorter than both my father and my brother.
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Indeed, I mean how they even throw Tom Cruise as an example without even taking his wealth and fame into consideration.
Even looks wise, most short guys aren't as handsome as Tom Cruise.
But he became wealthy he was short before he was vastly wealthy surely? And he’s not that good looking... it’s his charisma
“He’a not that good looking”...
“He’a not that good looking”...
Okcupid is totally right when they say that women only find 20% of guys good looking; you don’t even find Tom Cruise good looking.
Seeking the Alpha instinct...
(He looks like my brother ok he looks enough like my brother that I don’t find him good looking asides from the height of course)
So which male celeb makes you horny the most?
Oh how I want to tell u.... but you know I can’t cause I don’t want the police to have any evidence when I envitably climb through his window and sniff the back of his hair when he’s asleep.... very mature hey
So the first clue that he has hair.
So he’a not Vin Diesel nor the Rock.
Anyway the police won’t care, they won’t see you as a threat to him - you’re a woman.
Yes and they are unlikely to believe I would be interested in him also for numerous reasons. Age, race, height.
Sadly for me he is wealthy I seriously think if he suddenly lost all his money I’d jump on the first plane and have a casual run into him... you see I had no idea he was rich when I first saw him (money too much money is a huge turn off to me (blame a uber strict religious upbringing for that)).
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Indeed, I mean how they even throw Tom Cruise as an example without even taking his wealth and fame into consideration.
Even looks wise, most short guys aren't as handsome as Tom Cruise.
But he became wealthy he was short before he was vastly wealthy surely? And he’s not that good looking... it’s his charisma
“He’a not that good looking”...
“He’a not that good looking”...
Okcupid is totally right when they say that women only find 20% of guys good looking; you don’t even find Tom Cruise good looking.
Seeking the Alpha instinct...
(He looks like my brother ok he looks enough like my brother that I don’t find him good looking asides from the height of course)
So which male celeb makes you horny the most?
Oh how I want to tell u.... but you know I can’t cause I don’t want the police to have any evidence when I envitably climb through his window and sniff the back of his hair when he’s asleep.... very mature hey
So the first clue that he has hair.
So he’a not Vin Diesel nor the Rock.
Anyway the police won’t care, they won’t see you as a threat to him - you’re a woman.
Yes and they are unlikely to believe I would be interested in him also for numerous reasons. Age, race, height.
Sadly for me he is wealthy I seriously think if he suddenly lost all his money I’d jump on the first plane and have a casual run into him... you see I had no idea he was rich when I first saw him (money too much money is a huge turn off to me (blame a uber strict religious upbringing for that)).
See Sly, not every woman wants a rich man.
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I agree that addiction is a sensitive topic. How do you approach the topic if your partner has an addiction? I wouldn't know how to help them with any sort of addiction, not junk food addiction, alcoholism or drug addiction.
I think in a way, junk food addiction is difficult to deal with because junk food is socially acceptable. You could go to a dinner party and someone might offer you cupcakes but no one would offer you cocaine. In a way it's easier when the substance they're addicted to isn't legal, available in takeout places and always being consumed in front of them by other people.
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Indeed, I mean how they even throw Tom Cruise as an example without even taking his wealth and fame into consideration.
Even looks wise, most short guys aren't as handsome as Tom Cruise.
But he became wealthy he was short before he was vastly wealthy surely? And he’s not that good looking... it’s his charisma
“He’a not that good looking”...
“He’a not that good looking”...
Okcupid is totally right when they say that women only find 20% of guys good looking; you don’t even find Tom Cruise good looking.
Seeking the Alpha instinct...
(He looks like my brother ok he looks enough like my brother that I don’t find him good looking asides from the height of course)
So which male celeb makes you horny the most?
Oh how I want to tell u.... but you know I can’t cause I don’t want the police to have any evidence when I envitably climb through his window and sniff the back of his hair when he’s asleep.... very mature hey
So the first clue that he has hair.
So he’a not Vin Diesel nor the Rock.
Anyway the police won’t care, they won’t see you as a threat to him - you’re a woman.
Yes and they are unlikely to believe I would be interested in him also for numerous reasons. Age, race, height.
Sadly for me he is wealthy I seriously think if he suddenly lost all his money I’d jump on the first plane and have a casual run into him... you see I had no idea he was rich when I first saw him (money too much money is a huge turn off to me (blame a uber strict religious upbringing for that)).
See Sly, not every woman wants a rich man.
Yup I believe wealth is not having to worry about money (which includes not having the worries of too much of it) not that I’ve ever had to shooo money away just yet
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Indeed, I mean how they even throw Tom Cruise as an example without even taking his wealth and fame into consideration.
Even looks wise, most short guys aren't as handsome as Tom Cruise.
But he became wealthy he was short before he was vastly wealthy surely? And he’s not that good looking... it’s his charisma
“He’a not that good looking”...
“He’a not that good looking”...
Okcupid is totally right when they say that women only find 20% of guys good looking; you don’t even find Tom Cruise good looking.
Seeking the Alpha instinct...
(He looks like my brother ok he looks enough like my brother that I don’t find him good looking asides from the height of course)
So which male celeb makes you horny the most?
Oh how I want to tell u.... but you know I can’t cause I don’t want the police to have any evidence when I envitably climb through his window and sniff the back of his hair when he’s asleep.... very mature hey
So the first clue that he has hair.
So he’a not Vin Diesel nor the Rock.
Anyway the police won’t care, they won’t see you as a threat to him - you’re a woman.
Yes and they are unlikely to believe I would be interested in him also for numerous reasons. Age, race, height.
Sadly for me he is wealthy I seriously think if he suddenly lost all his money I’d jump on the first plane and have a casual run into him... you see I had no idea he was rich when I first saw him (money too much money is a huge turn off to me (blame a uber strict religious upbringing for that)).
See Sly, not every woman wants a rich man.
Yup I believe wealth is not having to worry about money (which includes not having the worries of too much of it) not that I’ve ever had to shooo money away just yet
You raise an interesting point. I'm not joking when I say that as my income has increased my worried about money have gotten much greater. Not because I'm worried about sliding into poverty, I now have a decent amount of money but I'm now worried that I might spend it irresponsibly.
When I had a small amount of money I didn't have that worry, even if I blow it on video games I never lost a large amount of money because I didn't have a large amount of money to begin with. With a larger amount of money, it's not as simple as just not blowing it on buying stuff, I have to decide things like how to invest it responsibly, etc.
Sly might think that having more money would make him more popular but it might make him popular for the wrong reasons. When I got a higher paying job some of my poorer friends tried to mooch off me. I'm sure Sly wouldn't want that to happen to him.
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Indeed, I mean how they even throw Tom Cruise as an example without even taking his wealth and fame into consideration.
Even looks wise, most short guys aren't as handsome as Tom Cruise.
But he became wealthy he was short before he was vastly wealthy surely? And he’s not that good looking... it’s his charisma
“He’a not that good looking”...
“He’a not that good looking”...
Okcupid is totally right when they say that women only find 20% of guys good looking; you don’t even find Tom Cruise good looking.
Seeking the Alpha instinct...
(He looks like my brother ok he looks enough like my brother that I don’t find him good looking asides from the height of course)
So which male celeb makes you horny the most?
Oh how I want to tell u.... but you know I can’t cause I don’t want the police to have any evidence when I envitably climb through his window and sniff the back of his hair when he’s asleep.... very mature hey
So the first clue that he has hair.
So he’a not Vin Diesel nor the Rock.
Anyway the police won’t care, they won’t see you as a threat to him - you’re a woman.
Yes and they are unlikely to believe I would be interested in him also for numerous reasons. Age, race, height.
Sadly for me he is wealthy I seriously think if he suddenly lost all his money I’d jump on the first plane and have a casual run into him... you see I had no idea he was rich when I first saw him (money too much money is a huge turn off to me (blame a uber strict religious upbringing for that)).
See Sly, not every woman wants a rich man.
Yup I believe wealth is not having to worry about money (which includes not having the worries of too much of it) not that I’ve ever had to shooo money away just yet
You raise an interesting point. I'm not joking when I say that as my income has increased my worried about money have gotten much greater. Not because I'm worried about sliding into poverty, I now have a decent amount of money but I'm now worried that I might spend it irresponsibly.
When I had a small amount of money I didn't have that worry, even if I blow it on video games I never lost a large amount of money because I didn't have a large amount of money to begin with. With a larger amount of money, it's not as simple as just not blowing it on buying stuff, I have to decide things like how to invest it responsibly, etc.
Sly might think that having more money would make him more popular but it might make him popular for the wrong reasons. When I got a higher paying job some of my poorer friends tried to mooch off me. I'm sure Sly wouldn't want that to happen to him.
What did they do to mooch off u? I still have a friend where I always pay because she’s “poor” but she’s poor in a large part because she’s lazy and only wants to work school hours (her kid is 16) and then spends her time telling me how she’s over doing it and needs to be kinder to herself etc etc but I only see her a few times a year so ya know I just smile & nod
Indeed, I mean how they even throw Tom Cruise as an example without even taking his wealth and fame into consideration.
Even looks wise, most short guys aren't as handsome as Tom Cruise.
But he became wealthy he was short before he was vastly wealthy surely? And he’s not that good looking... it’s his charisma
“He’a not that good looking”...
“He’a not that good looking”...
Okcupid is totally right when they say that women only find 20% of guys good looking; you don’t even find Tom Cruise good looking.
Seeking the Alpha instinct...
(He looks like my brother ok he looks enough like my brother that I don’t find him good looking asides from the height of course)
So which male celeb makes you horny the most?
Oh how I want to tell u.... but you know I can’t cause I don’t want the police to have any evidence when I envitably climb through his window and sniff the back of his hair when he’s asleep.... very mature hey
So the first clue that he has hair.
So he’a not Vin Diesel nor the Rock.
Anyway the police won’t care, they won’t see you as a threat to him - you’re a woman.
Yes and they are unlikely to believe I would be interested in him also for numerous reasons. Age, race, height.
Sadly for me he is wealthy I seriously think if he suddenly lost all his money I’d jump on the first plane and have a casual run into him... you see I had no idea he was rich when I first saw him (money too much money is a huge turn off to me (blame a uber strict religious upbringing for that)).
See Sly, not every woman wants a rich man.
Yup I believe wealth is not having to worry about money (which includes not having the worries of too much of it) not that I’ve ever had to shooo money away just yet
You raise an interesting point. I'm not joking when I say that as my income has increased my worried about money have gotten much greater. Not because I'm worried about sliding into poverty, I now have a decent amount of money but I'm now worried that I might spend it irresponsibly.
When I had a small amount of money I didn't have that worry, even if I blow it on video games I never lost a large amount of money because I didn't have a large amount of money to begin with. With a larger amount of money, it's not as simple as just not blowing it on buying stuff, I have to decide things like how to invest it responsibly, etc.
Sly might think that having more money would make him more popular but it might make him popular for the wrong reasons. When I got a higher paying job some of my poorer friends tried to mooch off me. I'm sure Sly wouldn't want that to happen to him.
What did they do to mooch off u? I still have a friend where I always pay because she’s “poor” but she’s poor in a large part because she’s lazy and only wants to work school hours (her kid is 16) and then spends her time telling me how she’s over doing it and needs to be kinder to herself etc etc but I only see her a few times a year so ya know I just smile & nod
I have an ethical delimma which I don’t know what to do maybe u can give me some straight advice I really want someone to just tell me what to do.
I have a friend she has a long term partner let’s call him a husband for simplicity they have a kid he’s just lost his job he is in and out of work like a jack in a box through no fault of his own just 3 terrible workplaces in a year (they really seemed to be).
She refuses to work as she believes her role is to look after the child the child is 4.5 years old they r in a very good area with a good school but have literally no money they will owe rent in a few days I told them to go to Centrelink and get an emergency loan and also to this other charity I know that gives emergency loans I offered to help the woman look for work but she just doesn’t see it as her role (this drives me nuts but she seems unshakable in this belief).
They r literally broke no money for toys from Santa etc etc but making no effort to get themselves out of the situation probably due to some extreme depression? Anyway I told my other friend about the situation (completely different group they never have met and probably never will) she told me they would make the criteria for housing in the inner west of Sydney (not a good area of inner west the bad high crime area). Now do I tell my friend with the problems? Knowing that once u go into housing u rarely get out... and life is pretty tough in some of the housing unit complexs in Sydney... and the schools there the teachers spend all their energy controlling the class. Or do I let it ride knowing that they actually might become homeless in 6 weeks hit rock bottom and change their attitudes towards work? And hopefully stay away from housing and potentially save themselves from watching their offspring suffer generational poverty.... argh I seriously need direct advice any help would be appreciated.
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Indeed, I mean how they even throw Tom Cruise as an example without even taking his wealth and fame into consideration.
Even looks wise, most short guys aren't as handsome as Tom Cruise.
But he became wealthy he was short before he was vastly wealthy surely? And he’s not that good looking... it’s his charisma
“He’a not that good looking”...
“He’a not that good looking”...
Okcupid is totally right when they say that women only find 20% of guys good looking; you don’t even find Tom Cruise good looking.
Seeking the Alpha instinct...
(He looks like my brother ok he looks enough like my brother that I don’t find him good looking asides from the height of course)
So which male celeb makes you horny the most?
Oh how I want to tell u.... but you know I can’t cause I don’t want the police to have any evidence when I envitably climb through his window and sniff the back of his hair when he’s asleep.... very mature hey
So the first clue that he has hair.
So he’a not Vin Diesel nor the Rock.
Anyway the police won’t care, they won’t see you as a threat to him - you’re a woman.
Yes and they are unlikely to believe I would be interested in him also for numerous reasons. Age, race, height.
Sadly for me he is wealthy I seriously think if he suddenly lost all his money I’d jump on the first plane and have a casual run into him... you see I had no idea he was rich when I first saw him (money too much money is a huge turn off to me (blame a uber strict religious upbringing for that)).
See Sly, not every woman wants a rich man.
Yup I believe wealth is not having to worry about money (which includes not having the worries of too much of it) not that I’ve ever had to shooo money away just yet
You raise an interesting point. I'm not joking when I say that as my income has increased my worried about money have gotten much greater. Not because I'm worried about sliding into poverty, I now have a decent amount of money but I'm now worried that I might spend it irresponsibly.
When I had a small amount of money I didn't have that worry, even if I blow it on video games I never lost a large amount of money because I didn't have a large amount of money to begin with. With a larger amount of money, it's not as simple as just not blowing it on buying stuff, I have to decide things like how to invest it responsibly, etc.
Sly might think that having more money would make him more popular but it might make him popular for the wrong reasons. When I got a higher paying job some of my poorer friends tried to mooch off me. I'm sure Sly wouldn't want that to happen to him.
What did they do to mooch off u? I still have a friend where I always pay because she’s “poor” but she’s poor in a large part because she’s lazy and only wants to work school hours (her kid is 16) and then spends her time telling me how she’s over doing it and needs to be kinder to herself etc etc but I only see her a few times a year so ya know I just smile & nod
I have an ethical delimma which I don’t know what to do maybe u can give me some straight advice I really want someone to just tell me what to do.
I have a friend she has a long term partner let’s call him a husband for simplicity they have a kid he’s just lost his job he is in and out of work like a jack in a box through no fault of his own just 3 terrible workplaces in a year (they really seemed to be).
She refuses to work as she believes her role is to look after the child the child is 4.5 years old they r in a very good area with a good school but have literally no money they will owe rent in a few days I told them to go to Centrelink and get an emergency loan and also to this other charity I know that gives emergency loans I offered to help the woman look for work but she just doesn’t see it as her role (this drives me nuts but she seems unshakable in this belief).
They r literally broke no money for toys from Santa etc etc but making no effort to get themselves out of the situation probably due to some extreme depression? Anyway I told my other friend about the situation (completely different group they never have met and probably never will) she told me they would make the criteria for housing in the inner west of Sydney (not a good area of inner west the bad high crime area). Now do I tell my friend with the problems? Knowing that once u go into housing u rarely get out... and life is pretty tough in some of the housing unit complexs in Sydney... and the schools there the teachers spend all their energy controlling the class. Or do I let it ride knowing that they actually might become homeless in 6 weeks hit rock bottom and change their attitudes towards work? And hopefully stay away from housing and potentially save themselves from watching their offspring suffer generational poverty.... argh I seriously need direct advice any help would be appreciated.
I realise that the western suburbs are a bad place but homelessness is worse. The western suburbs may be dangerous but the street and homeless shelters are both far more dangerous.
Generational poverty is a serious problem. You're right that the teachers spend their energy controlling the class. I think the minimum school leaving age should be lowered so that the students who remain are the ones who want to be there.
Generational poverty is also caused by attitudes passed down from the parents and family. If you're a close friend of the family you could try to instill some good attitudes into her child. You could be his or her Auntie Cat23. Don't be too negative. The right words of encouragement from a trusted adult might break the bonds of generational poverty.
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Indeed, I mean how they even throw Tom Cruise as an example without even taking his wealth and fame into consideration.
Even looks wise, most short guys aren't as handsome as Tom Cruise.
But he became wealthy he was short before he was vastly wealthy surely? And he’s not that good looking... it’s his charisma
“He’a not that good looking”...
“He’a not that good looking”...
Okcupid is totally right when they say that women only find 20% of guys good looking; you don’t even find Tom Cruise good looking.
Seeking the Alpha instinct...
(He looks like my brother ok he looks enough like my brother that I don’t find him good looking asides from the height of course)
So which male celeb makes you horny the most?
Oh how I want to tell u.... but you know I can’t cause I don’t want the police to have any evidence when I envitably climb through his window and sniff the back of his hair when he’s asleep.... very mature hey
So the first clue that he has hair.
So he’a not Vin Diesel nor the Rock.
Anyway the police won’t care, they won’t see you as a threat to him - you’re a woman.
Yes and they are unlikely to believe I would be interested in him also for numerous reasons. Age, race, height.
Sadly for me he is wealthy I seriously think if he suddenly lost all his money I’d jump on the first plane and have a casual run into him... you see I had no idea he was rich when I first saw him (money too much money is a huge turn off to me (blame a uber strict religious upbringing for that)).
See Sly, not every woman wants a rich man.
Yup I believe wealth is not having to worry about money (which includes not having the worries of too much of it) not that I’ve ever had to shooo money away just yet
You raise an interesting point. I'm not joking when I say that as my income has increased my worried about money have gotten much greater. Not because I'm worried about sliding into poverty, I now have a decent amount of money but I'm now worried that I might spend it irresponsibly.
When I had a small amount of money I didn't have that worry, even if I blow it on video games I never lost a large amount of money because I didn't have a large amount of money to begin with. With a larger amount of money, it's not as simple as just not blowing it on buying stuff, I have to decide things like how to invest it responsibly, etc.
Sly might think that having more money would make him more popular but it might make him popular for the wrong reasons. When I got a higher paying job some of my poorer friends tried to mooch off me. I'm sure Sly wouldn't want that to happen to him.
What did they do to mooch off u? I still have a friend where I always pay because she’s “poor” but she’s poor in a large part because she’s lazy and only wants to work school hours (her kid is 16) and then spends her time telling me how she’s over doing it and needs to be kinder to herself etc etc but I only see her a few times a year so ya know I just smile & nod
I have an ethical delimma which I don’t know what to do maybe u can give me some straight advice I really want someone to just tell me what to do.
I have a friend she has a long term partner let’s call him a husband for simplicity they have a kid he’s just lost his job he is in and out of work like a jack in a box through no fault of his own just 3 terrible workplaces in a year (they really seemed to be).
She refuses to work as she believes her role is to look after the child the child is 4.5 years old they r in a very good area with a good school but have literally no money they will owe rent in a few days I told them to go to Centrelink and get an emergency loan and also to this other charity I know that gives emergency loans I offered to help the woman look for work but she just doesn’t see it as her role (this drives me nuts but she seems unshakable in this belief).
They r literally broke no money for toys from Santa etc etc but making no effort to get themselves out of the situation probably due to some extreme depression? Anyway I told my other friend about the situation (completely different group they never have met and probably never will) she told me they would make the criteria for housing in the inner west of Sydney (not a good area of inner west the bad high crime area). Now do I tell my friend with the problems? Knowing that once u go into housing u rarely get out... and life is pretty tough in some of the housing unit complexs in Sydney... and the schools there the teachers spend all their energy controlling the class. Or do I let it ride knowing that they actually might become homeless in 6 weeks hit rock bottom and change their attitudes towards work? And hopefully stay away from housing and potentially save themselves from watching their offspring suffer generational poverty.... argh I seriously need direct advice any help would be appreciated.
I realise that the western suburbs are a bad place but homelessness is worse. The western suburbs may be dangerous but the street and homeless shelters are both far more dangerous.
Generational poverty is a serious problem. You're right that the teachers spend their energy controlling the class. I think the minimum school leaving age should be lowered so that the students who remain are the ones who want to be there.
Generational poverty is also caused by attitudes passed down from the parents and family. If you're a close friend of the family you could try to instill some good attitudes into her child. You could be his or her Auntie Cat23. Don't be too negative. The right words of encouragement from a trusted adult might break the bonds of generational poverty.
No if they go down the housing route I’d have to cut all ties immediately I couldn’t bare watching someone choosing living in poverty over working I would be constantly trying to make them work more (they’d hate me) plus I’d be constantly giving them “helpful advice” which makes me cringe thinking about it but I wouldn’t be able to resist cause I want them to be functional away from wealfare and they r older than me so it would be all sorts of wrong to advise them.... argh why can’t they just try!! ! And they’ll be a millionaire reading this saying the same thing about me lol anyway thanks for telling me straight I will let them know about housing fill the forms for them and wash my hands of them. Social situation solved