Majority of autistuc men dont have a girlfriend?

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22 Jul 2024, 8:12 pm

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Not jealous of the women at all (I have no reason to be jealous of the woman in this scenario. I have no desire to get with a man).

I'm jealous of the man. He gets easy intercourse, despite being a piece of feces by every definition. Meanwhile, I struggle when it comes to dating/sex, despite being way more honorable than him.



Easy intercourse?!
Did you really just say that?!

I thought your concern with this topic might be to advocate for women who are "kept" by felons.


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22 Jul 2024, 8:23 pm

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Thanks for your input! Healthcare seems to be more diverse nowadays vs 50 years ago.



Well ... considering you weren't even alive fifty years ago yes, a lot has certainly changed.

Some women are very much interested in the healthy upbringing of people.
They often oversee this in their role as doctor, dentist, nurse, therapist, policy maker, etc. just like men.


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22 Jul 2024, 8:29 pm

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I don’t really think that men and women “complement” each other outside of reproduction although that idea was a big one in the religion I was raised in and was somewhat romanticized. Women do tend to go for more social service jobs than men do. I suspect the reason for that is a complex interplay of nature and nature. Still, some men go for those jobs as well. Also, some careers that were male-dominated in the past are becoming increasingly less so which, once again, seems to point to a strong socialized component in our preferences. If there isn’t a strong female presence in a particular field, the subconscious notion that it’s possible may not be present in young people. Sociological research indicates that it’s also true of other demographics like race. It takes time and trailblazers for that to change.

Women do tend to be more liberal than men are. Some of that is related to the importance of the #MeToo movement in addition to other core issues/rights we are continuing to fight for in order to make things more equal.


"I don’t really think that men and women “complement” each other outside of reproduction."
I'm guessing in terms of raising children they complement each other, but not in other ways?

I don't think diversity and more inclusion are good solutions for change. Do people think if a car that runs badly, the solution would be to give it a different coat of paint? I personally think just because something is strongly socialized doesn't mean it automatically makes sense. It doesn't matter who they are but rather can they do the job well. I also believe there's a natural order to things and balance. I agree some changes make sense. At the same time too much change could cause the pendulum to swing other direction; which cause another set of problems.


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22 Jul 2024, 8:32 pm

I wasn’t referring to raising children. I was referring to eggs and sperm. Obviously, a single mother or two mothers can raise a child just like a single father or two fathers can.

I believe in progress, not in adhering to tradition for tradition’s sake.



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22 Jul 2024, 8:34 pm

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I'm guessing in terms of raising children they complement each other, but not in other ways?


They don't need to complement each other in terms of raising children.
Ideally, they both just need to show up.

Same-sex couples and single parents can raise children perfectly well without the opposite sex.


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22 Jul 2024, 8:34 pm

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I wasn’t referring to raising children. I was referring to eggs and sperm. Obviously, a single mother or two mothers can raise a child just like a single father or two fathers can.

I believe in progress, not in adhering to tradition for tradition’s sake.



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22 Jul 2024, 8:42 pm

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I think men and women are equal. That’s not to say that there aren’t any differences. I just think much of them are socialized or even nonexistent due to misinformation and confirmation bias.


That's a good take. In my personal opinion, I think men and women are different to compliment one another. I came to this conclusion because I'd prefer to look at actions and research before agreeing on what's being socialized. For example a person working with machines in factories vs being a teacher or a nurse. It seems like most women (not all) don't pick the jobs that men are mostly in. It's the same for men too. Most men seem to be more interested with things vs most women being more interested in the healthy upbringing of people.

Politically speaking, Women are more towards the left, and men more to the right; especially nowadays. That doesn't seem equal to me. As for the misinformation, something that could be true can be written off as misinformation as well.


Even though men tend to be more conservative (on average) among all generations, I hear the difference is extremely noticeable among Gen Z.

What's interesting (on the general topic of men being more conservative on average) is the fact men tend to be more sex-crazed (conservative and sex-crazed aren't exactly a combination you'd expect)


Yeah exactly. I think the failure of completely ignoring the differences between men and women and accepting natural order is the issue. Whenever change is presented, a lot of the times someone else will take the consequences of that change.


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22 Jul 2024, 8:47 pm

What is the natural order of men and women, exactly, and how is it being changed or ignored?


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22 Jul 2024, 9:17 pm

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^^^ The problem is that Incel ideology functions a lot like cults. People who are liable to falling for such nonsense have a hard time finding their way out. Given that autistics are statistically more likely to becomes Incels, it’s an important thing to address when it comes up on this forum because it doesn’t seem like that way of thinking will lead to happiness or (successful) relationships..


Of course, there are echo chambers that cultivate extreme thinking and these are dangerous. But this problem exists with radical thinking when it comes to religion, race and politics too. How do you prevent people from joining incel groups? for that matter what is going in the heads of 75 million Americans (a bigger problem) who think Donald trump is a suitable person to lead their country? Apparently voting in sociopathic criminals is a democratic right?

Yes, maybe young autistic men are susceptible to incel philosophy, but it's like trying to enforce the internet with porn, ideally you don't want your kids to look at it but ultimately they will and you hope they make the right choices.


Honestly, I think the best way to stop Incel ideology is to have the government go hard against men who commit domestic violence and violence against women. Crack down on it. Shame it and prosecute it to the fullest extent of the law, so that other men will see how prevalent and wrong it is. With new generations of women feeling safer in their own homes or relationships perhaps they won't have as much PTSD or be fearful of dating men. Then the cycle that Incels perceive will be broken, and with luck there will be more harmony between the sexes.

I think violent men are to blame for starting this Incel trend, not women who don't want to date.


I don't think all Incel groups cause violence. I think the real problem is there's no place to uplift and put men on the correct path in life. Cyberdad made a good point. Incel groups and red pill spaces are the only places for men to go currently because of this. I think economically unreliable men plays a massive role as well.


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22 Jul 2024, 9:20 pm

I differentiate between involuntarily celibate and Incel (the group), but beyond that I didn't say all Incels cause violence. I clearly said that we don't know if they will cause violence until or unless they do. Statistically, they do have a high likelihood though. That's why it's not smart for people to associate themselves with such groups.


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22 Jul 2024, 9:27 pm

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I wasn’t referring to raising children. I was referring to eggs and sperm. Obviously, a single mother or two mothers can raise a child just like a single father or two fathers can.

I believe in progress, not in adhering to tradition for tradition’s sake.


So men and women only complement each other through sex and that's it? If that's the case then what are marriages for? I think that idea alone gives men the right to "smash and pass." Also both genders are weak and some things and stronger in others. How does man know how to be a man without a father and vise versa between a woman and her mother?


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22 Jul 2024, 9:29 pm

People can support each other no matter their gender. Marriage doesn’t have to involve a husband and wife. I don’t think people need to learn how to be men and women. They need to learn how to be good human beings. They can learn that with any parent or guardian.

A lot of men may be physically stronger than me, but other than that, my strengths and weaknesses don’t appear to be gender dependent.



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22 Jul 2024, 9:35 pm

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What is the natural order of men and women, exactly, and how is it being changed or ignored?


Woman are more successful than ever before at the expense of a lot the men falling behind. Education and in any job with air conditioning, women are doing excellent in.

Also men are and will always be known to attractive based on status and resources. Women are usually attractive solely based on existence.


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22 Jul 2024, 9:35 pm

Marriages are because people enjoy being together and want to be together, whether their attraction is from being alike or unlike.

People don't have to fit like puzzle pieces.
They might bond because of similarities.

Also, marriage can be between two people of the same sex just like divorce can.
If there are differences or complements it doesn't have to be related to gender.

What if the man is a quiet unemployed caregiver and the woman is a strong leader in business?
That's still complementary by your description but has nothing to do with traditional gender roles.

What if one likes cooking and one likes cleaning?
Same idea.
It doesn't matter which is which.

What if they both love cooking and cleaning, or both love fighting fires?

I don't really get it.


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22 Jul 2024, 9:35 pm

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What's the normie stuff?


Funeralxempire likes marijuana, likes to drink to excess, etc.

That was what I had in mind. Those interests are more common among normies. Most ASD folk prefer a quieter lifestyle.


I think you're assuming most people with ASD are stimulus avoidant, I'm not sure that's actually a good read of the ASD population, in particular when it comes to the ASD+ADHD dual diagnosed population.

I'd also note that you seem quite unfamiliar with the effects of pot if you're assuming smoking pot = party animal stuff. Usually pot tends to mellow people out which seems kinda the opposite of what party animals are after.

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I mainly mean party animal stuff when I say normie stuff.


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Most ASD folk have no interest in being party animals.


Me included.

That I might be a "party animal" relative to you is not the same as being a party animal by the standards of the general populace. Despite rumours to the contrary, I'm not Chad Thundercock; I just lack the impulse control to be entirely socially avoidant, which means due to experience with putting myself out there socially I'm less intimidated by it (and the potential social rejection that often follows) than you are. Rather than flinching from potential social rejection I've learned to learn from it when it occurs.

As for use of substances, pharmacology has always been a special interest, as well a means of self-medicating.


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22 Jul 2024, 9:39 pm

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What is the natural order of men and women, exactly, and how is it being changed or ignored?


Woman are more successful than ever before at the expense of a lot the men falling behind. Education and in any job with air conditioning, women are doing excellent in.



Hold up.
Women's success is at the expense of men?
How, exactly?

Also yes, women do tend to get more education than men.

I'm not sure about the aircon quip.
I know some women who work with HVAC and install or repair AC.
Is that what you mean?


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