Bigotry against involuntarily celibate men

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14 Nov 2018, 1:05 am

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They are banning it without defining it so they could say I meet their undefined requirements and poof I’m gone.
No one knows what’s incel ideology here so how can you ban it? I can only think of one person here who’s been to their sites and I certainly wouldn’t want her deciding who’s guilty if it or not.


People who own or are paid to admin a server don't need your approval to delete things, for the same reason gun owners are encouraged to physically deny access to their firearms.


So you’d be fine if they decide to censor you?
I’d bet you’d be pissed. They can do whatever Alex approves as they don’t own the site they are volunteer employees.
You really want this site to just be women aspies, happily in relationship aspies and leftiests ?


I didn't say anything about Wrong Planet, I'm just saying that running a networked system of any kind shows one the consequences of their actions as those in control. There are aspects of the internet that are just as dangerous as many weapons.


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14 Nov 2018, 1:20 am

@AB: You don't really complain, though. You seem.. comfortably content - or at least you don't complain much at all, anyways. My thoughts are directed towards those who complain to no end that they don't like their situation. It's them who I wonder why they're not interested in changing anything.


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14 Nov 2018, 1:33 am

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Victim blame society blames the victim, this does not help anything, the person still has issues and adds to the problem. Therapy and medication does not help in some cases and I tried therapy and medication and it did not work for me.


So then whereabouts does taking personal responsibility for oneself come into play?


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14 Nov 2018, 1:49 am

the term "personal responsibility" has really a poisonous aftertaste as it has been appropriated by the social darwinists of the amuuurican right wing who to a person all worship at the altar of calvin/horatio alger. it fails to take into account that one must be in the first place capable of simultaneously hard AND clever work- a lot of us can manage clever, some can manage hard, but relatively few of us can be clever AND hard workers who can keep nose to grindstone for decades without major rest. there are other posters who have stated this much better than I can muster, but it needs to be repeated in any case. half of living is finding one's hard limits, and the other have is learning to live within those limits.



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14 Nov 2018, 1:50 am

I do not believe in taking responsibility for anything. I blame my mental health issues and I blame my bad life experiences. I have simply fallen through the cracks of society.



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14 Nov 2018, 1:54 am

relatively few outside the genetic lottery winners of life, have anything approximating "free will." :idea:



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14 Nov 2018, 2:21 am

I sit here reading and responding from a different perspective than most. Obviously.

AB: It's not as if people have to reinvent the wheel or figure things out for themselves. I already did that part. It's a simple matter of deciding to do something, then doing it step by step. The work has already been planned, the plan just needs to be worked.*

*by those who actually want to change.


Aspie 19828:

What good is not taking responsibility for yourself & blaming others instead doing for you? As has been advised to others here, literally no one else is going to do for you the things that You could do for you.


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14 Nov 2018, 2:24 am

what it all boils down to is that many people don't understand how to live or even what life is about. I myself came to earth totally unprepared and I feel I am always playing catch-up, and that is incredibly tiring.



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14 Nov 2018, 2:25 am

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I do not believe in taking responsibility for anything. I blame my mental health issues and I blame my bad life experiences. I have simply fallen through the cracks of society.


I'm nearer to you than being organised, an on / off train wreck of a life, and definitely that feeling of having fallen through the cracks. A third of the time it feels like life is something that has happened to me, another third that Life is something aggressively being done to me, then a third recuperation. It is like a flickerbook thing and I have slowed down and moderated it with years - learned though learned slowly.

There is no moral component to the above phenomena whatsoever.

We all have differently developed brains with different capabilities? I suppose some aspies are super neat, I'm in the keeping semi chaos at bay class - though have control of my hygiene these days, which was not always the case in the past.



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14 Nov 2018, 2:28 am

I'm learning about my own nutrition in my sixties, in excruciating detail. I guess most people sort this out in their 20's - not enough vitamins over a long period has caught up with me.



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14 Nov 2018, 2:34 am

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I'm learning about my own nutrition in my sixties, in excruciating detail. I guess most people sort this out in their 20's - not enough vitamins over a long period has caught up with me.

mee too. the caught up part and not necessarily the learning about part. although I do more than most [pay attention to nutrition].



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14 Nov 2018, 5:37 am

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I just don’t believe most men are destined for lifelong virginity. Even most autistic men.

I was in a sad state at 16. I was just weird. No girl would have me. No guy would be my friend.

But I knew I had to improve myself to increase the possibility of both. I knew I had to stop being a doormat.

How to go about that was unknown. I had no mentors. I relied on guys on TV and in books in trying to formulate a better personality.

Who was on TV back then for you to emulate? Jack Tripper? Hawkeye Pierce? Archie Bunker?


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14 Nov 2018, 6:53 am

No. Men from the olden days. Like Jimmy Stewart and Andy Hardy. Or the husbands on shows like Leave it to Beaver.

Jack Tripper was a klutz....but he wasn’t a bad guy



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14 Nov 2018, 7:56 am

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No. Men from the olden days. Like Jimmy Stewart and Andy Hardy. Or the husbands on shows like Leave it to Beaver.

Jack Tripper was a klutz....but he wasn’t a bad guy


Oh you can't go wrong with Jimmy Stewart. I quite like Gregory Peck and Stewart Grainger as well.

There's a Gregory Peck cowboy film I think is quite good about a man who won't lower himself to be like the super macho guys around him. I'd recommend that. It's called The Big Country.



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14 Nov 2018, 8:02 am

Hawkeye Pierce was kind of a jerk...but he was a good doctor.

No, he wasn’t my mentor.

Jimmy Stewart, except for his height, was someone I wished to emulate.



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14 Nov 2018, 8:30 am

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No. Men from the olden days. Like Jimmy Stewart and Andy Hardy. Or the husbands on shows like Leave it to Beaver.

Jack Tripper was a klutz....but he wasn’t a bad guy

Somehow I thought your adolescence occurred in the 70s so I tried to pick 70s shows but those guys were active in the 40s and 50s. Either you're older than my grandparents or you grew up on the classics.


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