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03 Aug 2015, 6:50 am

i have never really considered the matter until a few moments ago after i read the topic title.

i think (concerning the plight of lonely men or women):

men like women more than women like men.

men crave beauty and are mindlessly attracted to it in females, and even average looking females are considered beautiful enough to have sex with, and because of that, females have much experience of being desired by men.
this means that women value "expressions of interest" less than men because they have been de-sensitized to it.

so a man remains alone because no women is interested in him (even if he "extends his offer"), and a woman remains alone because she is not interested in any of her suitors (mainly because none are special).

they both remain alone for different reasons, but they both probably suffer the same end effect. loneliness.

i have no real idea other than idle speculation based on third person points of view.



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03 Aug 2015, 7:00 am

b9 wrote:
i have never really considered the matter until a few moments ago after i read the topic title.

i think (concerning the plight of lonely men or women):

men like women more than women like men.

men crave beauty and are mindlessly attracted to it in females, and even average looking females are considered beautiful enough to have sex with, and because of that, females have much experience of being desired by men.
this means that women value "expressions of interest" less than men because they have been de-sensitized to it.

so a man remains alone because no women is interested in him (even if he "extends his offer"), and a woman remains alone because she is not interested in any of her suitors (mainly because none are special).

they both remain alone for different reasons, but they both probably suffer the same end effect. loneliness.

i have no real idea other than idle speculation based on third person points of view.


Wow...

"de-sensitized to it" .... that's it, this is the answer for many things.



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03 Aug 2015, 7:13 am

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
b9 wrote:
....... de-sensitized to it.


Wow...

"de-sensitized to it" .... that's it, this is the answer for many things.


it is the answer indeed for many things. it is the reason people get over grief. it is the reason people become bored with being rich. it is the reason why thrill seekers always move on. it is the reason that chronically starving people can smile.
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03 Aug 2015, 7:34 am

It's like how famous celebrities feel - 'loved' by so many, but they know it's not real and their fans don't really care about them for who they are.

Women feel like this because majority of males trying to pursue her only do so because she is an attractive female and/or they only want sex (like how fans only want their celebrity to give them their autograph, etc.) and/or they don't appreciate her for her true qualities as a person.

'De-sensitized' is right...

Note: When I say 'majority' of males I don't mean all males. I mean like how when a male approaches a woman in public and tries picking her up - women experience it a lot.



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03 Aug 2015, 8:01 am

Reminds me of some girl I was close to and accepted to be my gf, even if she never behaved like one. A lot of guys liked her but she rejected them all. So when I felt bad because of her behaviour she did not care at all, I think she was de-sensitized to men's pain somehow. Spoiled brat.



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03 Aug 2015, 10:33 am

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sure I'm not so worried about rape but more as in getting stabbed, hit, beat and then mugged.



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03 Aug 2015, 10:46 am

The_Face_of_Boo, I suppose it depends on the part of the world. That is interesting what you wrote though.

I just do not like seeing people on this website internet fight. :/



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04 Aug 2015, 1:38 am

dobyfm wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo, I suppose it depends on the part of the world. That is interesting what you wrote though.

I just do not like seeing people on this website internet fight. :/


If we take the US for example, from the American suicide prevention :
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For many years, the suicide rate has been about 4 times higher among men than among women (Figure 4). In 2013, men had a suicide rate of 20.2, and women had a rate of 5.5. Of those who died by suicide in 2013, 77.9% were male and 22.1% were female



No one commits suicide unless he/she's very very very unhappy in life - and the above figure is a VERY strong indication that males are more unhappy IN LIFE NOT JUST IN DATING Lol than females in the US.


But it's not only the US.... check this, in most countries it is at least twice males.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_c ... icide_rate



And China and Bangladesh exceptions are strong indications that it's not the Testosterone to be blamed. I see a lot of female Bangladeshi domestic workers where I live, often married, their culture encourages women to work abroad and to bring income for children and husband, the total opposite of let's say, Arab cultures for example - I think the correlation of this with suicide is not a coincidence.

And if the OP, lucy and whatever still deny this strong indication then...I dunno what more to say.



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04 Aug 2015, 1:45 am

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
dobyfm wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo, I suppose it depends on the part of the world. That is interesting what you wrote though.

I just do not like seeing people on this website internet fight. :/


If we take the US for example, from the American suicide prevention :
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For many years, the suicide rate has been about 4 times higher among men than among women (Figure 4). In 2013, men had a suicide rate of 20.2, and women had a rate of 5.5. Of those who died by suicide in 2013, 77.9% were male and 22.1% were female



No one commits suicide unless he/she's very very very unhappy in life - and the above figure is a VERY strong indication that males are more unhappy IN LIFE NOT JUST IN DATING Lol than females in the US.


But it's not only the US.... check this, in most countries it is at least twice males.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_c ... icide_rate



And China and Bangladesh exceptions are strong indications that it's not the Testosterone to be blamed.

And if the OP, lucy and whatever still deny this strong indication then...I dunno what more to say.

i just retired as a social worker in the US. women in the US attempt suicide more often than men. men just succeed more often due to choosing methods like guns while women choose pills.



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04 Aug 2015, 1:54 am

cathylynn wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
dobyfm wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo, I suppose it depends on the part of the world. That is interesting what you wrote though.

I just do not like seeing people on this website internet fight. :/


If we take the US for example, from the American suicide prevention :
Quote:

For many years, the suicide rate has been about 4 times higher among men than among women (Figure 4). In 2013, men had a suicide rate of 20.2, and women had a rate of 5.5. Of those who died by suicide in 2013, 77.9% were male and 22.1% were female



No one commits suicide unless he/she's very very very unhappy in life - and the above figure is a VERY strong indication that males are more unhappy IN LIFE NOT JUST IN DATING Lol than females in the US.


But it's not only the US.... check this, in most countries it is at least twice males.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_c ... icide_rate



And China and Bangladesh exceptions are strong indications that it's not the Testosterone to be blamed.

And if the OP, lucy and whatever still deny this strong indication then...I dunno what more to say.

i just retired as a social worker in the US. women in the US attempt suicide more often than men. men just succeed more often due to choosing methods like guns while women choose pills.


I've read a study somewhere before, I ll try to find it again, but the gender gap in attempts alone don't explain this HUGE gender gap in suicide which is X4 to x5 in some countries.
Also it doesn't explain China and Bangladesh exceptions, what explains more these two exceptions are the differences in gender roles vs rest of the world.


And oh cathylynn, by the way, if a man hesitates to shoot himself and puts the gun away - that also a suicide attempt, but he won't come to and tell you "oh social worker, I have tried to shoot myself, count me as a suicide attempt!". :lol: And chances that he will survive a bullet in head is pretty low.

Stats show that men are way less likely to seek help for depression (because they are conditioned to stay strong and not to show weakness) so certainly they would not tell anyone they've attempted a suicide.



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04 Aug 2015, 2:14 am

Sweetleaf wrote:
So guys have trouble picking up a date....girls with their easy picking up of dates are more prone to rape, abuse, being taken advantage of for sex ect. all wonderful things the self identified 'forever alones' should be totally jealous of. Oh yeah geting unsolicitated hits on you from guys twice your age who only want sex is great....let me tell you, so much better than being single not :roll:

I mean really what do you guys think it is we chicks get so easily, and as if you can go out just dressed in normal casual comfy dress and get a date.....no women are expected to have make up on, wear an outfit that compliments their figure, or use weird undergarmet items to make your body appear more appealing as in the hour glass shape. Oh and its rude for a women to get offended by some street a** saying 'hey baby you're hot' when they are just trying to go about their buisiness......oh yes women have it so f*****g easy compared to men in all circumstances ever.


I'm sure that's why 1 in 200 humans share DNA with Ghengis Kahn for that reason. Life has polarized since then.



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04 Aug 2015, 2:23 am

Check this table out:
http://lostallhope.com/suicide-statisti ... ds-suicide

Even though the hanging method is equally chosen between men and women, the number of men committed suicide by hanging is 2.5 times than women.



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04 Aug 2015, 2:35 am

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
Check this table out:
http://lostallhope.com/suicide-statisti ... ds-suicide

Even though the hanging method is equally chosen between men and women, the number of men committed suicide by hanging is 2.5 times than women.


Over the last 200 yrs (at least), women have had more a break, execution wise. Eg, Jodie Arias had an extended self defense trial, after she mutilated her husbands corpse. If everything was "equal," she probably would be facing a needle full of poison.



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04 Aug 2015, 2:39 am

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
Check this table out:
http://lostallhope.com/suicide-statisti ... ds-suicide

Even though the hanging method is equally chosen between men and women, the number of men committed suicide by hanging is 2.5 times than women.


Women barely get executed for murder. Jodie Aries gotta a "fair" trial after pumping of a clip of bullets and stabbing her partner's body in "self defense." A man would've immediately faced lethal injection, without several trials.



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04 Aug 2015, 2:41 am

Martha Stewart commit grand lareceny+. How long did she spend in prison.



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04 Aug 2015, 2:42 am

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
dobyfm wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo, I suppose it depends on the part of the world. That is interesting what you wrote though.

I just do not like seeing people on this website internet fight. :/


If we take the US for example, from the American suicide prevention :
Quote:

For many years, the suicide rate has been about 4 times higher among men than among women (Figure 4). In 2013, men had a suicide rate of 20.2, and women had a rate of 5.5. Of those who died by suicide in 2013, 77.9% were male and 22.1% were female



No one commits suicide unless he/she's very very very unhappy in life - and the above figure is a VERY strong indication that males are more unhappy IN LIFE NOT JUST IN DATING Lol than females in the US.


But it's not only the US.... check this, in most countries it is at least twice males.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_c ... icide_rate



And China and Bangladesh exceptions are strong indications that it's not the Testosterone to be blamed. I see a lot of female Bangladeshi domestic workers where I live, often married, their culture encourages women to work abroad and to bring income for children and husband, the total opposite of let's say, Arab cultures for example - I think the correlation of this with suicide is not a coincidence.

And if the OP, lucy and whatever still deny this strong indication then...I dunno what more to say.


the OP, and numerous others on this thread have said they don't really think women have it worse. you are keeping this thing going with ridiculous assertions.