04 Aug 2015, 2:46 am
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
cathylynn wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
dobyfm wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo, I suppose it depends on the part of the world. That is interesting what you wrote though.
I just do not like seeing people on this website internet fight. :/
I just do not like seeing people on this website internet fight. :/
If we take the US for example, from the American suicide prevention :
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For many years, the suicide rate has been about 4 times higher among men than among women (Figure 4). In 2013, men had a suicide rate of 20.2, and women had a rate of 5.5. Of those who died by suicide in 2013, 77.9% were male and 22.1% were female
No one commits suicide unless he/she's very very very unhappy in life - and the above figure is a VERY strong indication that males are more unhappy IN LIFE NOT JUST IN DATING Lol than females in the US.
But it's not only the US.... check this, in most countries it is at least twice males.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_c ... icide_rate
And China and Bangladesh exceptions are strong indications that it's not the Testosterone to be blamed.
And if the OP, lucy and whatever still deny this strong indication then...I dunno what more to say.
i just retired as a social worker in the US. women in the US attempt suicide more often than men. men just succeed more often due to choosing methods like guns while women choose pills.
I've read a study somewhere before, I ll try to find it again, but the gender gap in attempts alone don't explain this HUGE gender gap in suicide which is X4 to x5 in some countries.
Also it doesn't explain China and Bangladesh exceptions, what explains more these two exceptions are the differences in gender roles vs rest of the world.
And oh cathylynn, by the way, if a man hesitates to shoot himself and puts the gun away - that also a suicide attempt, but he won't come to and tell you "oh social worker, I have tried to shoot myself, count me as a suicide attempt!".
And chances that he will survive a bullet in head is pretty low.Stats show that men are way less likely to seek help for depression (because they are conditioned to stay strong and not to show weakness) so certainly they would not tell anyone they've attempted a suicide.
if a man (or woman - i know one who has) puts a gun to their head and changes their mind or dumps a pile of pills into their had, then flushes them, that is a plan, not an attempt. some people will say any crazy old thing to win an argument.
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04 Aug 2015, 7:34 am
cathylynn wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
cathylynn wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
dobyfm wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo, I suppose it depends on the part of the world. That is interesting what you wrote though.
I just do not like seeing people on this website internet fight. :/
I just do not like seeing people on this website internet fight. :/
If we take the US for example, from the American suicide prevention :
Quote:
For many years, the suicide rate has been about 4 times higher among men than among women (Figure 4). In 2013, men had a suicide rate of 20.2, and women had a rate of 5.5. Of those who died by suicide in 2013, 77.9% were male and 22.1% were female
No one commits suicide unless he/she's very very very unhappy in life - and the above figure is a VERY strong indication that males are more unhappy IN LIFE NOT JUST IN DATING Lol than females in the US.
But it's not only the US.... check this, in most countries it is at least twice males.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_c ... icide_rate
And China and Bangladesh exceptions are strong indications that it's not the Testosterone to be blamed.
And if the OP, lucy and whatever still deny this strong indication then...I dunno what more to say.
i just retired as a social worker in the US. women in the US attempt suicide more often than men. men just succeed more often due to choosing methods like guns while women choose pills.
I've read a study somewhere before, I ll try to find it again, but the gender gap in attempts alone don't explain this HUGE gender gap in suicide which is X4 to x5 in some countries.
Also it doesn't explain China and Bangladesh exceptions, what explains more these two exceptions are the differences in gender roles vs rest of the world.
And oh cathylynn, by the way, if a man hesitates to shoot himself and puts the gun away - that also a suicide attempt, but he won't come to and tell you "oh social worker, I have tried to shoot myself, count me as a suicide attempt!".
And chances that he will survive a bullet in head is pretty low.Stats show that men are way less likely to seek help for depression (because they are conditioned to stay strong and not to show weakness) so certainly they would not tell anyone they've attempted a suicide.
if a man (or woman - i know one who has) puts a gun to their head and changes their mind or dumps a pile of pills into their had, then flushes them, that is a plan, not an attempt. some people will say any crazy old thing to win an argument.
I won my argument in the hanged vs hanged stats anyway
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04 Aug 2015, 7:42 am
04 Aug 2015, 8:48 pm
My mother had a boyfriend who was eternally complaining about his "hard life."
After all, he was expected to work and do physical labor: therefore, his childhood was terrible.
One night, he was whining (again), about how hard his childhood was, and how my mother "had it easy" since she was a girl. At that point, she was sick of it, so she turned to him and asked, "So you were beaten and raped by your own father, too?"
After that, he shut the h_ll up about his "difficult life" 
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05 Aug 2015, 3:48 am
XFilesGeek wrote:
My mother had a boyfriend who was eternally complaining about his "hard life."
After all, he was expected to work and do physical labor: therefore, his childhood was terrible.
One night, he was whining (again), about how hard his childhood was, and how my mother "had it easy" since she was a girl. At that point, she was sick of it, so she turned to him and asked, "So you were beaten and raped by your own father, too?"
After that, he shut the h_ll up about his "difficult life".
After all, he was expected to work and do physical labor: therefore, his childhood was terrible.
One night, he was whining (again), about how hard his childhood was, and how my mother "had it easy" since she was a girl. At that point, she was sick of it, so she turned to him and asked, "So you were beaten and raped by your own father, too?"
After that, he shut the h_ll up about his "difficult life"
.men get beaten and raped by family too. I hope you were showing that example to prove women have it worse. I myself was molested.
I also was beaten and tormented growing up by my brother and cousin. i think both sexes have it hard in different ways. and some have it in the same ways. most women do have it easier in the get a date situation. saying they have it harder in other ways does not change that they have it easier in that. women use to and in some cases have it harder in employment and work. mostly its just now upper management where the problem. is at least here. way more women are employed then men. heck most stores are firing men and hiring women. slowly all positions are becoming all female. makes find a man with job or high paying one even harder. some woman out there has a job that could have been mine. which is meh. mean its equal unless they hiring women for just being women which would be bad. but I only dislike it because they see me as worthless for not haivn the job but to have it one of them would have to get fired. its a paradox I think.
05 Aug 2015, 3:57 am
sly279 wrote:
i think both sexes have it hard in different ways. and some have it in the same ways. most women do have it easier in the get a date situation. saying they have it harder in other ways does not change that they have it easier in that. women use to and in some cases have it harder in employment and work. mostly its just now upper management where the problem. is at least here. way more women are employed then men. heck most stores are firing men and hiring women. slowly all positions are becoming all female. makes find a man with job or high paying one even harder. some woman out there has a job that could have been mine. which is meh. mean its equal unless they hiring women for just being women which would be bad. but I only dislike it because they see me as worthless for not haivn the job but to have it one of them would have to get fired. its a paradox I think.
I don't know, one of my female friends complained to me that most jobs are for men only. I'm not sure if it's because she can't do manual labour or is it because only men are hired for these jobs.
I personally never had any problems finding a job and I can't do manual labour (bicuspid aortic valve).
05 Aug 2015, 6:24 am
sly279 wrote:
XFilesGeek wrote:
My mother had a boyfriend who was eternally complaining about his "hard life."
After all, he was expected to work and do physical labor: therefore, his childhood was terrible.
One night, he was whining (again), about how hard his childhood was, and how my mother "had it easy" since she was a girl. At that point, she was sick of it, so she turned to him and asked, "So you were beaten and raped by your own father, too?"
After that, he shut the h_ll up about his "difficult life".
After all, he was expected to work and do physical labor: therefore, his childhood was terrible.
One night, he was whining (again), about how hard his childhood was, and how my mother "had it easy" since she was a girl. At that point, she was sick of it, so she turned to him and asked, "So you were beaten and raped by your own father, too?"
After that, he shut the h_ll up about his "difficult life"
.men get beaten and raped by family too. I hope you were showing that example to prove women have it worse. I myself was molested.
I also was beaten and tormented growing up by my brother and cousin. i think both sexes have it hard in different ways. and some have it in the same ways. most women do have it easier in the get a date situation. saying they have it harder in other ways does not change that they have it easier in that. women use to and in some cases have it harder in employment and work. mostly its just now upper management where the problem. is at least here. way more women are employed then men. heck most stores are firing men and hiring women. slowly all positions are becoming all female. makes find a man with job or high paying one even harder. some woman out there has a job that could have been mine. which is meh. mean its equal unless they hiring women for just being women which would be bad. but I only dislike it because they see me as worthless for not haivn the job but to have it one of them would have to get fired. its a paradox I think.
No, I posted that as an example of why you shouldn't make assumptions about how "hard" someone's life is by only taking into account arbitrary, subjective criteria (like, say, their sex).
It's like how I don't assume white humans with penises have an awesome life on easy street because of nonsense like "male privilege."
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05 Aug 2015, 8:47 am
Guys have it harder......
..... because I said so. /trolling
05 Aug 2015, 9:07 am
It ain't hard unless ur a tard. 
05 Aug 2015, 12:34 pm
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
Guys have it harder......
..... because I said so. /trolling
..... because I said so.
/trollingIs it wrong that when I hear, "Guys have it harder," my mind immediately thinks dirty thoughts?
05 Aug 2015, 3:31 pm
05 Aug 2015, 3:56 pm
sly279 wrote:
Oman5 wrote:
It's all a matter of perspective. Men look at life thinking "must have sex" even if it's on a subconscious level. And get frustrated when they are rejected. Therefore, they may assume that a woman has it easier because all she has to do is make herself available. But completely ignoring the fact that women don't tend to be wired up in quite so simple terms, having to deal with consequences that men don't.
assumptions... generalizations
.Judgemental.....arrogant.
No actually, it's an opinion. I Believe lots of people have them.
05 Aug 2015, 3:58 pm
05 Aug 2015, 4:12 pm
XFilesGeek wrote:
Is it wrong that when I hear, "Guys have it harder," my mind immediately thinks dirty thoughts?
Sounds like a bad bumper sticker. "Guys do it harder."
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I don't know whether the female little thing gets as hard.
Learning its name may help with your dating woes
05 Aug 2015, 4:24 pm
05 Aug 2015, 6:22 pm
314pe wrote:
I don't know, one of my female friends complained to me that most jobs are for men only. I'm not sure if it's because she can't do manual labour or is it because only men are hired for these jobs.
I personally never had any problems finding a job and I can't do manual labour (bicuspid aortic valve).
I personally never had any problems finding a job and I can't do manual labour (bicuspid aortic valve).
I think its area dependent. like people in the deep south where racisim and sexism is more prevalent probably have it harder if they are not white or male.
I can only speak as to what is happening in my two cities, and I'm seeing just about all males in retail and office jobs being replaced by women. most food places are all women, banks all women(mine went from mostly men to all women, even the manager was replaced), offices all or mostly women. sure if you want to be a fire fighter, or mechanic those are mostly men but women are just starting to slip into those jobs. but most the none super hard labor jobs are going to moslty women. I'm weak male. so if I want to get a higher paying job that doesn't' require lots of education or hard labor I'm screwed.
again it don't care that women are getting work just that they complain and won't date men who cant' get work because they have it. seems like wanting your cake and eat it too(i don't really get this saying) they can't have everything. they can't have great paying jobs and demand a guy with the same or better paying job. there's only so many of those jobs to go around. so if they look around and only see women working those jobs how do they expect men to have them without those women or themselves losing the job first.
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