Majority of autistuc men dont have a girlfriend?

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22 Jul 2024, 11:10 pm

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I'm sorry all that happened to you and I hope you find peace.



Are you sorry all that happened to TP too, or just me?
It's not exactly a contest.
I'm just trying to bring awareness.
It's quite hurtful when people shrug it off as a trope.


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22 Jul 2024, 11:11 pm

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I don't understand it either @QuantumChemist.

Surely you've met many talented woman scientists or academics.
Did they somehow rob you of education or career success?

Is there a finite amount of learning to go around?


Yes, I have met very talented women scientists in my career. They have helped me greatly in doing what I do. No, they did not rob me of successes in my field of study. I robbed myself if anyone is to blame for my shortfalls. I tend to be my own worst enemy, a curse I have had since I was young.

There is an infinite supply of knowledge to be had, but you must find it to learn it. Some will try to hoard certain parts of it for themselves. Avoid those if you can while learning. Not all knowledge is equal.



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22 Jul 2024, 11:13 pm

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Women on this forum have experienced extreme abuse from men. 1 in 6 women is a victim of rape or attempted rape. I’m a survivor of rape and domestic violence.

Most women experience sexual harassment at some point in their lives.

Evidence That Nine Autistic Women Out of Ten Have Been Victims of Sexual Violence


It’s a serious issue that deserves at least as much attention as it’s currently receiving.


What you think is the solution to this problem? I've mention men need more positive spaces and much easier access to financial success., and most importantly more fathers present.

I don’t think fathers are obligatory. Many single moms and lesbian parents are doing a great job with raising their sons. One thing that I think is really important is addressing mental health in schools. A lot of kids are slipping through the cracks due to stuff like a lack of funding. More time needs to be spent on teaching kids about healthy relationships and consent as well.

It needs to be easier for victims to report and go through the trial. Abusers often abuse multiple people when they have the opportunity to do so.



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22 Jul 2024, 11:14 pm

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Have you ever asked men on a date?


No, because I was in back-to-back abusive, manipulative relationships from which I couldn't escape, from my 17th birthday until I was 34. Then actual violence and trauma started with another group of people so I didn't want anything to do with men or dating for the next 17.5 years, and didn't even have the courage to go for coffee with female friends.

The thought of dating made me physically ill.


That sounds awful I feel for you as a human being no women should go through that. If these things didn't happen at all, would you ask a good man on a date?


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22 Jul 2024, 11:15 pm

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There is an infinite supply of knowledge to be had, but you must find it to learn it. Some will try to hoard certain parts of it for themselves. Avoid those if you can while learning. Not all knowledge is equal.


Very well put, but I'm sure that applies to men as well as women researchers.


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22 Jul 2024, 11:16 pm

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Graves Knight wrote:

I'm sorry all that happened to you and I hope you find peace.



Are you sorry all that happened to TP too, or just me?
It's not exactly a contest.
I'm just trying to bring awareness.
It's quite hurtful when people shrug it off as a trope.


You, TP, any women shouldn't go through that but it sadly happens


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22 Jul 2024, 11:17 pm

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If these things didn't happen at all, would you ask a good man on a date?



No because I'm introverted and autistic.
I was never interested in dating (beyond crushes) and preferred to be alone.
It's not because the men would flock to me.
Most men found / find me freakish and weird.


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22 Jul 2024, 11:21 pm

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"What do you mean by it’s “an overused talking point?”

I've talked to other women and every conversation like this, that argument is brought up as if no one understands that the world is a dangerous place. Nothing personal lol.


Ever consider that you're maybe failing to recognize how much more dangerous the world is for women?

That it's not really an overused talking point so much as a very common perspective due to lived experience?


And it's not for men? It's dangerous period. Yes father protect their daughters from bad men for that reason. I don't disagree.


Yes, the world is noticeably less dangerous for men, at least when it comes to the specific dangers being pointed out to you.

For example, the only non-consensual sex acts I've been on the receiving end were done through coercion (play ball or no longer have shelter, which would also mean losing my job due to no longer being able to get there); I've never dated a girl or woman who could achieve that goal through violence if they so desired.

Correlated, I've never had a gf beat the snot out of me, among reasons due to a lack of partners who would be able to achieve that outcome, which significantly reduces the risk of a partner attempting to do so.

Women aren't just making it up that dating and being around men puts them at a higher risk of certain harms compared to men put in the same situations. Men tend to be more socialized towards engaging in violence and more physically capable of inflicting (and defending against) violence. A willingness to engage in violence is more likely to be considered a masculine trait. Young boys are often fed a media diet filled with male characters that use violence to resolve conflicts and achieve goals, this is true whether or not they're exposed to mainstream media. Boys/mens sports are often more accommodating of violence, again serving to normalize violence as well as associate it with being male to young males.

Even ignoring gender entirely, smaller people who end up regularly in the company of larger people who are also more accustomed to violence would be at a greater risk of physical coercion should the larger person decide to do so, as well as of physical injury should a violent encounter occur.

Yes, you see the world differently as a 200lber than a 100lber. You see the world differently if you're better equipped to defend yourself against violence relative to average; you see the world differently if you're worse equipped to defend yourself against violence relative to average.


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22 Jul 2024, 11:24 pm

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And it's not for men? It's dangerous period. Yes father protect their daughters from bad men for that reason. I don't disagree.



What of the fathers who abandon and/or assault and/or murder their daughters?

Yes mothers can do the same but it's much less common, and I'd prefer we don't glorify all dads.


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22 Jul 2024, 11:32 pm

Yes, the world is noticeably less dangerous for men, at least when it comes to the specific dangers being pointed out to you.

For example, the only non-consensual sex acts I've been on the receiving end were done through coercion (play ball or no longer have shelter, which would also mean losing my job due to no longer being able to get there); I've never dated a girl or woman who could achieve that goal through violence if they so desired.

Correlated, I've never had a gf beat the snot out of me, among reasons due to a lack of partners who would be able to achieve that outcome, which significantly reduces the risk of a partner attempting to do so.

Women aren't just making it up that dating and being around men puts them at a higher risk of certain harms compared to men put in the same situations. Men tend to be more socialized towards engaging in violence and more physically capable of inflicting (and defending against) violence. A willingness to engage in violence is more likely to be considered a masculine trait. Young boys are often fed a media diet filled with male characters that use violence to resolve conflicts and achieve goals, this is true whether or not they're exposed to mainstream media. Boys/mens sports are often more accommodating of violence, again serving to normalize violence as well as associate it with being male to young males.

Even ignoring gender entirely, smaller people who end up regularly in the company of larger people who are also more accustomed to violence would be at a greater risk of physical coercion should the larger person decide to do so, as well as of physical injury should a violent encounter occur.

Yes, you see the world differently as a 200lber than a 100lber. You see the world differently if you're better equipped to defend yourself against violence relative to average; you see the world differently if you're worse equipped to defend yourself against violence relative to average.[/quote]

Well said. Keep in mind also everyone has access to guns and tasers. Which means both men and women can now protect themselves without the need of physical strength. (or kill each other much more easily.)


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22 Jul 2024, 11:35 pm

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What of the fathers who abandon and/or assault and/or murder their daughters?


There's a thing called "Exceptions to the rule." Meaning yes this does happen, but generally speaking good fathers protect their daughters.


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22 Jul 2024, 11:37 pm

I don't have access to guns and tasers so I don't know what that means.
I'm not American, and nor would I want to be (sorry America).
I wouldn't use a gun if I could, except to protect my kids.

I hope this isn't going to devolve into blaming victims for not killing perps.


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22 Jul 2024, 11:37 pm

It’s not always possible to protect oneself with guns or tasers. On top of not liking guns, I wouldn’t own one on account of having a child. I’d also be more likely to accidentally shoot myself than the other person.

A person isn’t always going to have a gun or taser within arm’s reach if they own one putting the other concerns aside. The likelihood of actually protecting oneself is very small.



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22 Jul 2024, 11:40 pm

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generally speaking good fathers protect their daughters.



Yes, generally speaking good people are good people.
Good fathers even protect their sons.
Good mothers protect their children too.

The problem isn't whether good fathers are good, but how often they're found.

My ex sued my daughter and legally disowned her in court.
Now he stalks and terrorizes her.

She's changing her name and leaving the country for her safety.


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22 Jul 2024, 11:41 pm

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If these things didn't happen at all, would you ask a good man on a date?



No because I'm introverted and autistic.
I was never interested in dating (beyond crushes) and preferred to be alone.
It's not because the men would flock to me.
Most men found / find me freakish and weird.


That's really mean. Also if men didn't flock to you then the point I had goes down the toilet lol. You seem really nice, that's a loss on them.


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And it's not for men? It's dangerous period. Yes father protect their daughters from bad men for that reason. I don't disagree.



What of the fathers who abandon and/or assault and/or murder their daughters?

Yes mothers can do the same but it's much less common, and I'd prefer we don't glorify all dads.



"What of the fathers who abandon and/or assault and/or murder their daughters?"

There's a thing called "Exceptions to the rule." Meaning yes this does happen, but generally speaking good fathers protect their daughters.

Most women don’t take their fathers (or mothers) along with them on dates.

My dad was physically abusive although he’s much better than my grandfathers. Geez Louise.