What do men want?

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To recap the last few pages. A couple of "nice guys" argue with no real point over how they are too good. Followed by a lot of people telling them something different from the praise they wanted to hear.

And then people wonder about the stigma of nice guys

Nice guys are lovely, as long as they take initiative and have confidence

Except that many nice guys have become sick and tired of girls wanting them to take the initiative... as a guy, if you ask out 1500 girls over a lifetime and 95% does not even answer, 4% flat out reject you - you sort of lose interest in dating and does not even bother looking for love anymore.

I never claimed to be a 'Nice guy (Tm)" I simply claimed to fit the requirements on that meme.

I do, I treat people with respect in real life ( complaining about them on the internet is a way to vent) but honestly I'm completely sick of that idea that what is on that meme is what women actually want. I'm sure there are some that want that, and would happily have me.. but the problem is that doesn't do either of us anygood if I don't consider her attractive.

Girls I consider attractive tend to have piercings, listen to same sorts of music I do, and weird hair colours. The problem is I like a very 'Alternative" sort of lifestyle in so far as what I'm attracted to... though I'd be more than happy to give all of that up for a mousy blonde who wanted to raise a house full of aspie kids with me. But I doubt I'll find that.

The problem with the women in my town is that they lack all ambition to get the f**k out of my town. That's not unexpected since, like me, they've had 10 f*****g years to get out of this s**thole and havent done it yet.. so they are obviously either trying to make the best of it, or trying to forget it.. well that's unacceptable for me and I want some one who's willing to help me fight and struggle so we can both get out. Obviously I'm not going to find that.. if even the girl I met who wasn't from here is willing to succumb to the nothingness.

It's not misogyny.. it's simply the way they act. They are happy for you to take them out and buy them dinner.. will happily put out on a first date.. and take offense when you don't want them to.. and then will make sure to call you gay cause you won't f**k them in the back seat of your car. But I need a woman with WAY more ambition and self respect than that. I need a woman who knows exactly what she wants, even if it's something as mundane as being a CNA or childcare professional and is going to work at it.

I don't want to be involved with people who have simply given up.. I have never given up.. though I've come close a few times.. but I managed just barely to pull myself back from that..

I said make up is okay in artistic forms and it's also fine but I do prefer the natural look as well. I'm talking about people who cake it on in large amounts, I am talking about make up when it is used like this.

Porn Stars without make up, before and after, people are lusting after a prefabricated image.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/artic ... tions.html

I doubt there are too many porn stars on this forum or women who cake on make up like that so your rant against make up was quite useless... You do realize an average woman prefers natural make up? All women in that article and most women in general that are usually involved in that sort of before, after make up pictures are showbiz professionals who have been made up in the "after" pictures especially for film or a photoshoot. That tends to be different to an everyday look. Caked make up looks simply caked, when not on film.

Why don't you just leave then? If it hurts when you hit yourself, stop hitting yourself.
Stop complaining that the women there suck and just f*****g leave.
I did it, and I've never felt better.

Here, I have an easy fix, stop complaining and don't go after girls that wear makeup and stop trying to attack them for it. Pretty damn simple.

It's simple. I can't right now. I'm taking classes at the local community college and don't want to have to commute any further than I already do. free rent also allows me to save money. But I'm working on it, I hope to be out of here by august.

Lol, you can find a bad picture of any woman, not just of Beyonce.

The three girls they are wearing quite a lot of make-up. Probably wouldn't even notice them in the streets without. I think the last one is pretty, the others.. mwa. Especially the blonde in the middle. Very photoshopped and nowhere near as good looking or special in real life.

Yea, I don't think he understands what freckles look like without makeup. You can easily tell the first and last are wearing enough makeup to blend the freckles into their skin a lot better than just blotches.

All three women are wearing exactly the same products as Beyonce in the above picture, such as concealer, powder, blush, eye liner, lipstick, brow pencil, eye shadow, mascara etc. and hair products. It's just been applied differently and less prominently.

I think it's already become rather clear that Wolf spends more time talking about women and exchanging a few lighthearted online messages with them rather than actually spending time with women. I also find it a bit bizarre that such a manly man who talks so strongly about naturality spends more time and beauty products daily on his appearance than I do, and I consider myself to be fairly conscious about beauty care

I know what they look like without makeup, my ex had them
I have them in the summer too, lightly though.

This.

I'm not attacking make up, I am perfectly fine with girls who wear make up and if applied correctly, it looks nice. I'm saying that when make up is used to hide imperfections instead of treating skin problems, it creates a new standard and disillusion of beauty to people that they must aim for.

It's similar to saying that you can get to the size of an IFBB professional bodybuilder by simply working out and lifting weights when they use an excessive amount of steroids and supplements to achieve that physique.

Natural products with no parabens or chemicals used in developing them, herbal aromatherapy and natural skin care products.

I order from a company called Forever Young which sell various products from chemical peels to eye serums and they all help to slow down the ageing process. Living healthy, taking antioxidants, eating healthy and working out is a lifestyle, Tom Cruise has stayed looking young through the use of organic food and products.

I recommend people to use the website as it is very good as opposed to using high street brands which have parabens in them http://www.forever-young-uk.co.uk/