so if you didn't feel like you had to get a girl....

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other people who want me for whatever reason will forever be unsatisfied.

i will never let myself be touched by others.

so like this.
http://www.soundclick.com/player/single ... 59389&q=hi

My main problem with thr "just ask" meme is that it implies that verbal consent is a guarantor that the person actually is desirous of the advance. I think in general that too much weight is given to verbal language in communication. There are so many other modes of communication including: physical proximity, eye contact, hand gestures, facial expression.
To argue that all is okay as long as both parties say "go" is nieve. People lie for many reasons including self-preservation, reciprical but unrelated gain, as a gift.
But my point is that verbal language is over-rated.

One, you are of a different culture. also, you come across as fairly suave where it would be difficult to come across as creepy.

Secondly, as far as recording, don't tempt me,that is one creepy obsession I am always fighting.

Wow! Best Line ever! Love it.

Very Rhett Butlerish.

Then let me rephrase:

You're not able to distinguish between male rapists and men who prefer to be spontaneous.

It's sexist because you continue to make no distinction between guys who rape and guys who prefer spontaneity based on non-verbal cues. In logic, two sets A and B are the same if and only if A is a subset of B and B is a subset of A. This means that if you can find an element of A that is not in B (or an element of B that is not in A), then the two sets are not equivalent. I'm telling you I'm not a rapist. You claim you never said I was, but you rather strongly implied it and haven't since gone back on your implication. You also post rape stats or otherwise bring up rape and how badly men are at reading signs whenever men talk about preferring to read non-verbal cues. This tells me you don't give them any presumption of competence. It also continues to tell me that you're not distinguishing between the two sets, which is where the claim of sexism comes from. They're not necessarily the same. You can't assume that because someone reads and acts on non-verbal cues, that he's necessarily a rapist or doesn't respect boundaries.

Now, you've said in the past that I'm not a rapist, and you've also admitted that some men can read non-verbal cues. This is to your credit, but it didn't come until after pulling proverbial teeth. I'm not expecting an apology from you because that may be too tall an order for you right now, but given my continued offense, anger, and persistence, and the fact that other people have agreed that what you said sounds rapey: could you kindly take back your implication?

Not that much different culturally from what I am seeing, especially when it comes to the less reseverd parts of the population.

And oh, I know you wanna do this youtube recording, don't resist....these voices inside your head...listen to them.
Ok, that was creepy.

Tarantella and SA, hello? (((echo))) You there? (((echo)))


I have a feeling that they won't show up anymore here.

This is still wrong along multiple lines. Maybe this will clarify:

A woman who simply grabs sexually rather than asking consent is committing sexual assault.
A man who simply grabs sexually rather than asking consent is committing sexual assault.
A woman who forcibly penetrates someone else or forces penetration is committing rape.
A man who forcibly penetrates someone else or forces penetration is committing rape.



Let's amend that, as I've already done multiple times for you, to: people who commit sexual assault and people who 'prefer spontaneity based on non-verbal cues'.

No, there is no distinction. Now, if you go ahead and run with your "preference", you might get lucky and find that the other person's okay with that. Or you might find yourself arrested (depending on your state's laws and your interpretation of "spontaneity" and "non-verbal cues"), or the subject of a well-circulated blog post discussing the trauma your sexual assault left behind, with your name attached to it. Maybe the week after, maybe five years after.

Or you could ask, and find out whether you are indeed reading the cues right before you go ahead and do something damaging.

I know you're very angry about all that; it seems to me entirely unreasonable. For some reason the idea that you should have to ask makes you really angry. You haven't even gotten, as far as I can see, to the idea that it's pleasant and sexy and fun and respectful.

I certainly hope, by the way, that you're not one of those people who goes around on other threads complaining that women expect you to be a mindreader.

have job, boo

Dox, tone down the angry rhetoric and we can talk; otherwise, no. Has nothing to do with argument and everything to do with your tone and approach.

thanks for the info officer!

So, on September 24, listed under "Why Girls Date Jerks," "Well...there's a lot more jerky guys than there are jerky girls [more written] Anyway, I no longer blame women for finding themselves with lousy men. The odds that a man is lousy. quite high."

Was that sexist?

It's 11 pm here.

Why have you ignored the long list of women's opinions.

Too afraid to face the reality that a majority of women like to be kissed on a date without being asked(after giving signals)?
I am sure you have checked my links and you have been shocked to find out that you're in the very minority on this matter

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And there you have it, folks. Since you've chosen to completely ignore my asking you to take back your earlier rapey implication, I'm going to assume you still mean it and that I won't be getting an apology. So, thanks for that, tarantella64. Thanks for proving my argument, too, but honestly I'd much rather have had that apology.

Show me where I'm being angry. Here, I'll make it easier for you:

http://www.wrongplanet.net/postp6163168.html#6163168


http://www.wrongplanet.net/postp6163179.html#6163179


http://www.wrongplanet.net/postp6163376.html#6163376


http://www.wrongplanet.net/postp6163394.html#6163394


http://www.wrongplanet.net/postp6163623.html#6163623


Now you don't even have to track them down yourself, so you don't have any excuse not to point out where I'm snarling, making wild accusations, engaging in angry rhetoric, etc. Unless that's all just a ploy to avoid answering difficult questions of course.