I don't want to date poor people

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08 Oct 2016, 12:22 am

It seems the boundaries of the concept of a gold digger aren’t very clearly defined, either. What if a woman ditches a man because she’s begun to see him as a loser? The fact is that money is more often than not a consequence of being strong, industrious, hard-working and unwavering in the pursuit of one’s goals, which is usually what you need to succeed at anything in life.

Not that the idea of wanting only sex, let alone its presumably unquestionable evilness is clear at all to me, but I digress.


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08 Oct 2016, 1:09 am

To be fair though, some cultures are more hypergamy-inducing (for girls and women) - traditional Eastern and Asian communities in particular are extreme hypergamy cultures - and of course that produce more... gold diggers.
It is a very very common problem men face in the East.



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08 Oct 2016, 1:12 am

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
To be fair though, some cultures are more hypergamy-inducing (for girls and women) - traditional Eastern and Asian communities in particular are extreme hypergamy cultures - and of course that produce more... gold diggers.
It is a very very common problem men face in the East.



Gold diggers, huh? You gotta lotta gold, Boo?


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08 Oct 2016, 2:16 am

What is a gold digger? Is it these guys with parrots and patches on their eyes who used to dig down treasures? Arrrrrrr! :pirat:
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08 Oct 2016, 2:29 am

Alliekit wrote:
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RetroGamer87 wrote:
Is there such a thing as a gold digging man?

No they're called boy toys which is when a rich woman gets a super attractive poor guy.
----->Most<--- (not all)women won't date poor men. So there's no chance for guys to date women for their money. As boo and others have pointed out ----->most<----(not all)women date up.


That's not necessarily true. There is this phenomenon where some women feel the need to take care of a guy and provide for him out of some motherly instinct which can be taken advantage of. I'm not saying it's common but it does happen.

Also I cannot say I'm a fan of gold diggers of either gender, or of anyone who wants a relationship for ulterior motives. This whole idea of trying to use people's affection for yourself makes me sad.

I think it's so common for women because in a almost evolutionary way some view it as a means to take care of offspring. As I've said before I will happily 'date down' and do because he is a good man who works hard. Weirdly it never actually occurred to me until I joined this site.


Out of curiosity do you lads ever find yourself misjudging people about being a golddigger? I know some of us women have judged some men wrongly about the wanting only sex (something my dad always told me about teen boys and young men)

I don't call women gold diggers, I call them superficial and materialistic. Money shouldn't matter at all for relationships until the two get married and need to combine it.



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08 Oct 2016, 2:36 am

sly279 wrote:
Alliekit wrote:
sly279 wrote:
RetroGamer87 wrote:
Is there such a thing as a gold digging man?

No they're called boy toys which is when a rich woman gets a super attractive poor guy.
----->Most<--- (not all)women won't date poor men. So there's no chance for guys to date women for their money. As boo and others have pointed out ----->most<----(not all)women date up.


That's not necessarily true. There is this phenomenon where some women feel the need to take care of a guy and provide for him out of some motherly instinct which can be taken advantage of. I'm not saying it's common but it does happen.

Also I cannot say I'm a fan of gold diggers of either gender, or of anyone who wants a relationship for ulterior motives. This whole idea of trying to use people's affection for yourself makes me sad.

I think it's so common for women because in a almost evolutionary way some view it as a means to take care of offspring. As I've said before I will happily 'date down' and do because he is a good man who works hard. Weirdly it never actually occurred to me until I joined this site.


Out of curiosity do you lads ever find yourself misjudging people about being a golddigger? I know some of us women have judged some men wrongly about the wanting only sex (something my dad always told me about teen boys and young men)

I don't call women gold diggers, I call them superficial and materialistic. Money shouldn't matter at all for relationships until the two get married and need to combine it.


Why wait until after marriage? You don't think you should talk about those things before?


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08 Oct 2016, 2:42 am

I think the only lesson in the video is about the male protagonist's drive and hard work. There's still a lot I don't understand about something which seems so simple; I wish I'd had done that when I was young and completely dependent on my parents (which I arguably still am, since they found my current pseudo-job for me and I still don't think I can survive without it), but don't really know what I could have done other than just giving up on anything other than studying and doing what my parents told me to for many, many years. Among lots of other things, this would mean no going out, no chance to make friends and much less to meet young women who could let me know what a disgusting loser I am. Oh, and my parents would tell me it's due to my lack of social skills, as if the skills by themselves could magically change the fact that I'd have no time to use them. In fact, I had no time to learn them in the first place.

On the other hand, I doubt the female protagonist would feel guilty—she'd just be a little frustrated that she chose the wrong bet. But it was still a sensible choice: for every young man who climbs out of poverty by his bootstraps like the male protagonist did, I'm sure there are a lot who fail. She doesn't seem to have ended up too badly, unless she can't help being disgusted at her husband because she now sees him as a loser. Perhaps she's sad because she'd like to cheat on him with the male protagonist and the latter is unlikely to accept it :twisted:


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08 Oct 2016, 3:31 am

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Why wait until after marriage? You don't think you should talk about those things before?

There's no reason for that, and the threads ironpony is making are showing that.



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08 Oct 2016, 4:35 am

Peacesells wrote:
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Why wait until after marriage? You don't think you should talk about those things before?

There's no reason for that, and the threads ironpony is making are showing that.


What if you get married and then realise that the person you married is either rubbish with money and spending bill money or the opposite and obsessed with making money.



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08 Oct 2016, 4:40 am

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
Alliekit wrote:
sly279 wrote:
RetroGamer87 wrote:
Is there such a thing as a gold digging man?

No they're called boy toys which is when a rich woman gets a super attractive poor guy.
----->Most<--- (not all)women won't date poor men. So there's no chance for guys to date women for their money. As boo and others have pointed out ----->most<----(not all)women date up.


That's not necessarily true. There is this phenomenon where some women feel the need to take care of a guy and provide for him out of some motherly instinct which can be taken advantage of. I'm not saying it's common but it does happen.

Also I cannot say I'm a fan of gold diggers of either gender, or of anyone who wants a relationship for ulterior motives. This whole idea of trying to use people's affection for yourself makes me sad.

I think it's so common for women because in a almost evolutionary way some view it as a means to take care of offspring. As I've said before I will happily 'date down' and do because he is a good man who works hard. Weirdly it never actually occurred to me until I joined this site.


Out of curiosity do you lads ever find yourself misjudging people about being a golddigger? I know some of us women have judged some men wrongly about the wanting only sex (something my dad always told me about teen boys and young men)


As I said, sometimes you would unfairly be labeled as one - and using evo psych as an attempt to justify a such common human behavior wouldn't help. :p

Like for example if you over-talk excitely about your bf's expensive gifts and keep flashing them, - a lot of men would start viewing you as one, even if the price of the gifts isn't exactly what's making you happy.

Unfair or not, this paranoia among men exists - like how women's paranoia from players or even potential offends exist.

And gold diggers of all their kinds exist too - and this will not change anytime soon.


There have actually been biological studies done testing physical reactions to traits that have found reactions in both sexes.

I wouldn't discredit psychology I appreciate the work they do and differences they have made. Thanks to psychology and neuroscience collaborations we better understand the brain.

Although my field is cancer sciences now I do find neuroscience interesting



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08 Oct 2016, 5:26 am

sly279 wrote:
Alliekit wrote:
sly279 wrote:
RetroGamer87 wrote:
Is there such a thing as a gold digging man?

No they're called boy toys which is when a rich woman gets a super attractive poor guy.
----->Most<--- (not


all
)women won't date poor men. So there's no chance for guys to date women for their money. As boo and others have pointed out ----->most<----(not all)women date up.


That's not necessarily true. There is this phenomenon where some women feel the need to take care of a guy and provide for him out of some motherly instinct which can be taken advantage of. I'm not saying it's common but it does happen.

Also I cannot say I'm a fan of gold diggers of either gender, or of anyone who wants a relationship for ulterior motives. This whole idea of trying to use people's affection for yourself makes me sad.

I think it's so common for women because in a almost evolutionary way some view it as a means to take care of offspring. As I've said before I will happily 'date down' and do because he is a good man who works hard. Weirdly it never actually occurred to me until I joined this site.


Out of curiosity do you lads ever find yourself misjudging people about being a golddigger? I know some of us women have judged some men wrongly about the wanting only sex (something my dad always told me about teen boys and young men)

I don't call women gold diggers, I call them superficial and materialistic. Money shouldn't matter at all for relationships until the two get married and need to combine it.



umm... now you are so stepping out from what I was talking about.



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08 Oct 2016, 5:33 am

Peacesells wrote:
nurseangela wrote:
Why wait until after marriage? You don't think you should talk about those things before?

There's no reason for that, and the threads ironpony is making are showing that.


Yes, actions and behaviors are louder than words.



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Alliekit wrote:
Peacesells wrote:
nurseangela wrote:
Why wait until after marriage? You don't think you should talk about those things before?

There's no reason for that, and the threads ironpony is making are showing that.


What if you get married and then realise that the person you married is either rubbish with money and spending bill money or the opposite and obsessed with making money.

That's what I was saying too, I mean there is no reason not to talk about these things before marriage. Sorry, my English is crappy. :mrgreen:



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08 Oct 2016, 5:49 am

Peacesells wrote:
Alliekit wrote:
Peacesells wrote:
nurseangela wrote:
Why wait until after marriage? You don't think you should talk about those things before?

There's no reason for that, and the threads ironpony is making are showing that.


What if you get married and then realise that the person you married is either rubbish with money and spending bill money or the opposite and obsessed with making money.

That's what I was saying too, I mean there is no reason not to talk about these things before marriage. Sorry, my English is crappy. :mrgreen:


Opps heheh It was probably me misunderstanding :oops: yep I agree with you!



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08 Oct 2016, 6:09 am

Alliekit wrote:
Peacesells wrote:
Alliekit wrote:
Peacesells wrote:
nurseangela wrote:
Why wait until after marriage? You don't think you should talk about those things before?

There's no reason for that, and the threads ironpony is making are showing that.


What if you get married and then realise that the person you married is either rubbish with money and spending bill money or the opposite and obsessed with making money.

That's what I was saying too, I mean there is no reason not to talk about these things before marriage. Sorry, my English is crappy. :mrgreen:


Opps heheh It was probably me misunderstanding :oops: yep I agree with you!

No no, my fault. I knew I didn't express myself well but I didn't know how to do better. :wall:



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08 Oct 2016, 6:28 am

Peacesells wrote:
Alliekit wrote:
Peacesells wrote:
Alliekit wrote:
Peacesells wrote:
nurseangela wrote:
Why wait until after marriage? You don't think you should talk about those things before?
There's no reason for that, and the threads ironpony is making are showing that.
What if you get married and then realise that the person you married is either rubbish with money and spending bill money or the opposite and obsessed with making money.
That's what I was saying too, I mean there is no reason not to talk about these things before marriage. Sorry, my English is crappy. :mrgreen:
Opps heheh It was probably me misunderstanding :oops: yep I agree with you!
No no, my fault. I knew I didn't express myself well but I didn't know how to do better. :wall:
Don't be so hard on yourself.


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