Bigotry against involuntarily celibate men

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I certainly wouldn't, for the record. I've got my mind on something special in the future, one-on-one. Sorry to any who were planning to join.~

You need to go to Morocco - Moroccan women do initiate.

Not if they don't like you they won't.

It's interesting that you accuse me of putting words in your mouth and then proceed to do exactly that to me. I never said "women refuse all autistic men" when I reworded your argument that "women sexually select against men with autism". "Women refuse autistic men" is a perfectly legitimate way to restate "women sexually select against autistic men".

I don't know how you expect to have a proper debate if you're going to be disingenuous and project your own shady arguing tactics on to me. I'm starting to think I'm being trolled.

Also, ideas like "sexual market value" don't exist in the real world outside of PUA manuals and Redpill/MGTOW/Manosphere sort of online spaces. It's as ridiculous as the idea that everyone can be systematically numerically rated on an "objective" scale of physical attractiveness. It's just not applicable to how human beings actually interact with each other in life, and I think that's where you guys get stuck--you get these crazy ideas that don't apply to human interaction at all but you are convinced that they do and so you are preventing yourself from the start from being able to make deeper connections with people because of these unrealistic ideas you have about sex and attraction and men and women and just how people actually behave IRL.

People with girlfriends can still be bored with their lives. Having a girlfriend won't instantly solve all of your problems.

What makes you think they won't like you?

Hypergamy

Maybe not in a purely 100% objective sense, but to say that there is no kind of consensus of the kinds of traits women want in a man or vice versa is just plain wrong. There are variances in stylistic preferences and what not but to deny that there's any kind of trends that measure the likelihood that someone will be appealing to members of the opposite gender is just ignorant. For instance the obese socially awkward unemployed 40 year-old who still lives with his parents isn't simply unlucky in love. He's undesirable to the vast majority of women. But if he lost weight, built muscle, moved out of his parents house and started at a lucrative job, whether you want to call it an increase in sexual market value or not, he's drastically improved his chances of appealing to women and finding a relationship. That's what the whole concept of sexual market value is about.

Well women find me unattractive, and I've always struggled even making friends. That doesn't help.

I don’t think anyone has ever said it would. Stop putting words in peoples mouth.
It would make our lives better though.

It'd make us feel like humans instead of worthless freaks.

I never put words in anyone's mouth. Stop putting words in my mouth!

I remember one time when I was checking out of a grocery store, and the cashier was talking to a friend. She was telling her about the man she's dating. She told her friend something around the lines of: "He better have a high paying job!"

I didn't say anything, but the thought that immediately went through my head was: "B!tch, you're a f***ing cashier!"

Some women just think they're entitled to a rich husband who does all the work.

See bolder part. It implies we think having a gf will magically solve all our issue, which no one has ever said.

Seems to me you’re just trying to to devalue our desire to have a relationship otherwise I see no reason to make a statement on a point no ones made.

Seems to me Retro made the statement to backup his previous sentence And "point out the obvious to the oblivious," as Fnord would put it.

And I can totally understand why Retro would make that statement here in this forum, in this thread even. There are a number of regular posters who seem to think that getting themselves a girlfriend will magically cure their depression & other complaints in life - which simply isn't so. It seems these posters do not understand, or at least do not accept and believe, this, and it does in fact have to be pointed out. Repeatedly. So, good on Retro for doing his part to spread that knowledge to those who still haven't learned it yet.

Maybe those posters will read it, reflect upon it, and decide they need to go on a little journey of self assessment & improvement in order to love themselves first & be able to attract others better rather than putting the horse before the cart and trying to jump from step 0-10 in their constantly backfiring attempts to get girlfriends? Maybe.

Trying to apply concepts of economics to human interaction is going to go badly for the people who try to do so, though. That's my point. When you approach building deeper connections with other humans (which is what incels claim to want, not just sex but close relationships with women) if you do so while seeing human interaction like a market place where goods and services are exchanged rather than human being getting to know each other based on feelings then you are not going to be successful in the way you want. You're shooting yourself in the foot looking at people this way, it's a big reason why incels are as unhappy and lonely as they are. They think about people all wrong and so their interactions with people go wrong and they fail to make any deep connections because they keep everyone at arms length with these ridiculous ideas about people's "market value" and sexist gender roles like men must always approach and chase women.

But by all means, continue to ignore people who tell you this and keep beating your head against that brick wall and crying into the abyss about "Why doesn't it work? Why aren't women attracted to me?" Since that seems to be more satisfying to most incels than actually trying something that might work. They would much rather complain online about how the stupid stuff they do over and over again and their stupid outlook on people doesn't work and then get together online with other stupid incels and talk about how it's all women's fault anyway for being hypergamous whores who have sex with everyone but incels.