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09 Aug 2009, 5:59 pm

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Whu?????? If you're not ALREADY in a romantic relationship, you don't consider it a date???? The rest of the world does! And this may be the root of your dating problem. Women ARE NOT
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ARE NOT going to wait until they are already in a relationship before they go on a date wuith a guy. And if they realize that the guy they are on a date with thinks this date signifies that they are in a relationship, they will head for the hills.


Janissy, what do you consider to be a date? It certainly isn't clear in your posts, and it may make discussion easier if you clarify what you mean.



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11 Aug 2009, 10:12 am

That has happened to me once, and I thought about it because she was a pro wrestling fan as well. In fact many of the guys at my school have suggested that I go for the special-ed girls (even though I am on the high functioning end of AS). I have become so desperate for a partner that I have thought about "settling" on several occasions.



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11 Aug 2009, 11:59 am

CrinklyCrustacean wrote:
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Whu?????? If you're not ALREADY in a romantic relationship, you don't consider it a date???? The rest of the world does! And this may be the root of your dating problem. Women ARE NOT
ARE NOT
ARE NOT going to wait until they are already in a relationship before they go on a date wuith a guy. And if they realize that the guy they are on a date with thinks this date signifies that they are in a relationship, they will head for the hills.


Janissy, what do you consider to be a date? It certainly isn't clear in your posts, and it may make discussion easier if you clarify what you mean.



I consider a date to be a man and a woman (assuming we're talking hetero) going somewhere and doing something together either to further an existing relationship or just to get to know each other with the possibility that something may or may not develop in the future. Thus it isn't a date if any future relationship is absolutely off limits (because it is a business relationship, because one or both of you is married and are not cheaters, because the conviction that this must stay friends-only has been clearly and firmly stated). This allows for blind dates, speed dates, and practice dates that you really don't intend to go anywhere relationship-wise.



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11 Aug 2009, 3:26 pm

Well I went out for coffee again with this girl once. She is nice, but I didn't feel any connection to her (physically/emotionally/mentally). She invited me over for a BBQ thing on saturday, I gave an ambiguous reply that probably suggested I would be there... I ended up going to watch the UFC instead. She hasn't tried to contact me since, so I sent her a message on facebook saying something urgent came up, and that I was sorry I couldn't make it. Maybe now she won't want anything to do with me and the problem is solved? I did go on a date, though at the time I thought we were "friends", and I didn't like it. I could try doing it more, but I don't think I can bring myself to doing it. In the back of my head I feel like I should force myself to date her more, but I honestly don't even like even talking to her or being in her presence now, so that's hard...



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11 Aug 2009, 4:49 pm

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CrinklyCrustacean wrote:
Janissy wrote:
Whu?????? If you're not ALREADY in a romantic relationship, you don't consider it a date???? The rest of the world does! And this may be the root of your dating problem. Women ARE NOT
ARE NOT
ARE NOT going to wait until they are already in a relationship before they go on a date wuith a guy. And if they realize that the guy they are on a date with thinks this date signifies that they are in a relationship, they will head for the hills.


Janissy, what do you consider to be a date? It certainly isn't clear in your posts, and it may make discussion easier if you clarify what you mean.



I consider a date to be a man and a woman (assuming we're talking hetero) going somewhere and doing something together either to further an existing relationship or just to get to know each other with the possibility that something may or may not develop in the future. Thus it isn't a date if any future relationship is absolutely off limits (because it is a business relationship, because one or both of you is married and are not cheaters, because the conviction that this must stay friends-only has been clearly and firmly stated). This allows for blind dates, speed dates, and practice dates that you really don't intend to go anywhere relationship-wise.


*blink* Is it... is it real? *poke* Someone who shares my view on the dating process? *pokes again with a stick* Seems to be.

Going to lie down awhile, as apparently the world is coming to an end.


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11 Aug 2009, 4:52 pm

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Well I went out for coffee again with this girl once. She is nice, but I didn't feel any connection to her (physically/emotionally/mentally). She invited me over for a BBQ thing on saturday, I gave an ambiguous reply that probably suggested I would be there... I ended up going to watch the UFC instead. She hasn't tried to contact me since, so I sent her a message on facebook saying something urgent came up, and that I was sorry I couldn't make it. Maybe now she won't want anything to do with me and the problem is solved? I did go on a date, though at the time I thought we were "friends", and I didn't like it. I could try doing it more, but I don't think I can bring myself to doing it. In the back of my head I feel like I should force myself to date her more, but I honestly don't even like even talking to her or being in her presence now, so that's hard...


...can I observe the curious nature of a situation where the party who has trouble with non-verbal communication and relationships is taking a passive, non-verbal approach to indicating a lack of interest? Just odd.

If you aren't interested, and want to be friends, then go out together when there is occasion to go out in small groups, not just the two of you. If you want nothing further to do with her, then be honest - you didn't feel a click, and feel uncomfortable spending more time together. Why make this any more difficult than necessary?


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11 Aug 2009, 5:07 pm

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...can I observe the curious nature of a situation where the party who has trouble with non-verbal communication and relationships is taking a passive, non-verbal approach to indicating a lack of interest? Just odd.

The passive, non-verbal approach to indicating a lack of interest is what I typically receive from women I have dated. They either A)refuse to pick up my phonecalls, delete me from facebook etc. or B)make some lame excuse and then proceed to A. My reasoning was this: either A) she would lose interest in me (me having sabotaged things by not showing up to her BBQ) or B) having been somewhat strung along, and unable to easily get my focussed attention, she would be willing to do anything to get it and be even more determined. Either way, there is progress. It's obvious to me that the direct approach with women *usually* gets you dumped and back to square 1 (single, clueless, frustrated), I have nothing to lose by trying out more ulterior approaches.



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11 Aug 2009, 5:15 pm

My point is that you are taking the very approach that so many here rail against being used towards them; I find it very strange. Not going to a BBQ hasn't sabotaged anything; if someone is truly interested in you, a minor thing like that would not make a huge difference, especially in that you had not committed to being there. So you are saying since it is how you have been treated, despite the fact that you did not appreciate it or find it helpful, you are going to pursue playing the game by those rules? Fair enough, though I completely disagree. But having her pursue you harder isn't progress in my book, especially if you aren't interested in her - you are then playing games, and that is something I have difficulty with.


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12 Aug 2009, 5:57 am

To be honest I think you are digging yourself a hole now. You should make you intentions clear.



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12 Aug 2009, 8:27 am

IMO, you need to stop leading her on and either tell her or say you just want to remain friends.

Quit leading her on man!


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12 Aug 2009, 9:17 am

Just don't shower, eat a lot of garlic and fart loudly.



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12 Aug 2009, 4:51 pm

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I consider a date to be a man and a woman (assuming we're talking hetero) going somewhere and doing something together either to further an existing relationship or just to get to know each other with the possibility that something may or may not develop in the future.


This is the root of our disagreement. As I see it, if a man and a woman are meeting just to get to know each other then that is NOT a date, because there is no mutual attraction (at least not initially). It's just two people meeting up for fun and potentially to form a friendship. To be classed as a date, there has to be mutual attraction AND they must be meeting in order to enjoy each other's romantic intimacy and company. This excludes speed dates, 'practise dates' and 'casual' dates, and implies that either the two people are in a relationship already or are very close to being so. Blind dates are an exception. The possiblity of a future relationship does not mean that the first meeting is a date. In short: No romance = not a date.



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12 Aug 2009, 8:37 pm

I would have to handle things on a case-by-case basis here - a lot depends on the girl.

One of the key factors to me in a girl's attractiveness is her personality. Things like her maturity, independence, and stability are very important factors.

So, I've had situations where women that weren't precisely physically attractive might have been interested in me, and I'd have no problem with being nice to them and flirting to some extent, because she seems stable and mature enough to be "safe". I think in this sort of case, my trouble connecting emotionally works in my favor, as it comes off as disinterest. The relationship thus stays quite friendly. These women I don't feel like I'm leading on or anything - though they wouldn't be my first choice, I could probably live with them anyway. I guess they eventually decide there's no chemistry between us, get bored, and move on, but remain friendly and polite. They usually seem to be more comfortable and confident around people, too, which I find nice to see. As another positive side effect, these girls tend to "put in a good word" for me to other girls later on, something that hardly ever works out to my disadvantage.

If the girl has emotional or psychological problems, though, I can't figure out any good way out of the situation. I've had otherwise acceptably attractive (and in a case or two, actually rather pretty-looking) girls that I've had "a bad feeling" about latch onto me, and when that happens there always seems to be uncomfortable drama in the end no matter approach I've taken (and I've tried ignoring them, being nice to them, being distant and indifferent, and even being aggressive or outright rude.) I've been trying to figure out what that "bad feeling" comes from, and I guess there's a sense that I don't really exist as an individual in her world, but rather only as a symbol of something else that I do not really fit into - like a pet or an object. (There's another thread on creepy guys somewhere on WrongPlanet, and generally the same descriptions can apply to some women.)

I think I've got looser tolerances on what is attractive than most people, but I've also run into a couple of women who've latched onto me but who was utterly unable to find any redeeming quality to - physically unattractive and emotionally and psychologically repulsive. For one example, there was a large girl who had caught me alone, backed me into a corner, touched me in a way that I found completely inappropriate, and gave explicit descriptions of some amateur porn films she'd been in, and what she'd like to do to me. I wouldn't wish that on anyone, and I'm horrified and saddened that being subjected to that sort of experience is almost a normal part of life.

But I think that's way off the track of the original post. I guess what I was getting at was that I don't think it could hurt anything to just spend time, be friends with, and even flirt with a girl that "isn't precisely a supermodel", unless there are deeper and more troubling reasons for finding her unattractive. I'm disturbed by some of the suggestions given for blowing the girl mentioned by the original poster off, but I'm also hesitant to encourage him to go against his instincts and be nice to a girl that he'll seriously regret bing involved with.



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13 Aug 2009, 4:45 pm

CrinklyCrustacean wrote:
Janissy wrote:
I consider a date to be a man and a woman (assuming we're talking hetero) going somewhere and doing something together either to further an existing relationship or just to get to know each other with the possibility that something may or may not develop in the future.


This is the root of our disagreement. As I see it, if a man and a woman are meeting just to get to know each other then that is NOT a date, because there is no mutual attraction (at least not initially). It's just two people meeting up for fun and potentially to form a friendship. To be classed as a date, there has to be mutual attraction AND they must be meeting in order to enjoy each other's romantic intimacy and company. This excludes speed dates, 'practise dates' and 'casual' dates, and implies that either the two people are in a relationship already or are very close to being so. Blind dates are an exception. The possiblity of a future relationship does not mean that the first meeting is a date. In short: No romance = not a date.


I agree, the second part of Janissy's definition of date is hypocrite.

Dating is the first step of a mating ritual , it can be either a success or a fail, but an initial mutual attraction is the first condition for that first step of mating ritual.


why lying to each others?

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just to get to know each other with the possibility that something may or may not develop in the future.


Correction: Dating is a meeting between two persons who are attracted to each others and want to check if they are compatible.



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13 Aug 2009, 4:59 pm

LePetitPrince wrote:
CrinklyCrustacean wrote:
Janissy wrote:
I consider a date to be a man and a woman (assuming we're talking hetero) going somewhere and doing something together either to further an existing relationship or just to get to know each other with the possibility that something may or may not develop in the future.


This is the root of our disagreement. As I see it, if a man and a woman are meeting just to get to know each other then that is NOT a date, because there is no mutual attraction (at least not initially). It's just two people meeting up for fun and potentially to form a friendship. To be classed as a date, there has to be mutual attraction AND they must be meeting in order to enjoy each other's romantic intimacy and company. This excludes speed dates, 'practise dates' and 'casual' dates, and implies that either the two people are in a relationship already or are very close to being so. Blind dates are an exception. The possiblity of a future relationship does not mean that the first meeting is a date. In short: No romance = not a date.


I agree, the second part of Janissy's definition of date is hypocrite.

Dating is the first step of a mating ritual , it can be either a success or a fail, but an initial mutual attraction is the first condition for that first step of mating ritual.


why lying to each others?

Quote:
just to get to know each other with the possibility that something may or may not develop in the future.


Correction: Dating is a meeting between two persons who are attracted to each others and want to check if they are compatible.


No, CC - that is YOUR definition of a date. If I had a curiosity about someone, I would ask them out for coffee or drinks or minigolf - it doesn't require deep and profound interest to go on a date... that is a precursor to a relationship. A date is a chance to get to know the other person better, to spend time with someone who you are, in some fashion, attracted to... not some sort of sacred ritual. And from what I have seen here and in discussion with others on some dating sites (okc, for example) this is the approach that seems to be most successful for those I spoke with.

You're welcome to your definition; I hold fast to my own. Differences of opinion are good; when one chooses to instead insist that their viewpoint is the only correct one, or is 'fact', then there will be conflict.


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13 Aug 2009, 5:48 pm

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No, CC - that is YOUR definition of a date. If I had a curiosity about someone, I would ask them out for coffee or drinks or minigolf - it doesn't require deep and profound interest to go on a date... that is a precursor to a relationship. A date is a chance to get to know the other person better, to spend time with someone who you are, in some fashion, attracted to... not some sort of sacred ritual. And from what I have seen here and in discussion with others on some dating sites (okc, for example) this is the approach that seems to be most successful for those I spoke with.

You're welcome to your definition; I hold fast to my own. Differences of opinion are good; when one chooses to instead insist that their viewpoint is the only correct one, or is 'fact', then there will be conflict.


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1) Yes, it is my opinion and I stated that with the words, "as I see it". Notice that Janissy's defninition is also her opinion, so it is not necessarily the 'correct' one either, and yet she states her opinion as if it is the truth. I remember her saying earlier in the thread, "You don't consider it a date unless you are ALREADY in a relationship???? The rest of the world does!".

2)I didn't call it a ritual: that was LePetitPrince's term and concept; not mine.

makuranososhi wrote:
it doesn't require deep and profound interest to go on a date... that is a precursor to a relationship.


Again, as I see it all dates are either furthering a relationship, or confirming the start of one. If the two people weren't romanticly interested then there would be no date, correct? When men and women are refused a date by the other person, isn't it because they don't feel the same way?