Ever had a look around where you are IRL and thought...
Just stop thinking about what you want to say the second you read these responses, go back and read this thread from someone elses perspective... pretend that your posts are someone elses, and just look at them.
Every. Single. One. Has you arguing and complaining about every single piece of advice everyone gave. Your a naysayer. You act like there is no way YOU should be the one who should change, that society f***ing sucks because it doesn't work right for you.
Well guess what, this world depends on people compromising. That's just how it is. No one person will always get there way, and society definitely doesn't change around a single person, especially someone with AS.
Well every single piece of advice I've seen in this thread is good advice... and yet you argued against every single one.
There's a difference between listening to advice that makes you happy, and listening to good advice. Good advice generally brings another perspective into things and is usually something you do NOT consider on your own.
I have a feeling if I told you "Well tough luck, just give up, there's no way your gonna get a good guy, so really make yourself happy without it" You'd take that perfectly fine, because that's along the lines of what you WANT to hear.
Please don't take that totally to heart. People often say things like that over a single occurance that happens... and in that case, yeah, people might agree and call them 'ret*d'-- but they aren't there and they don't know your parents and the entire situation... there are way too many factors involved that those online friends will never know. Those comments are for specific occurrences, not in general about your parents. (And shockingly enough, everyone does something that someone else would call ret*d, so I'm not going to go along with you in the claims your parents are ret*d.)
My family has a habit of either exaggerating, or using the wrong terms for things (which REALLY drives me up the wall). So they're exaggerating to try to get me to lower my voice but all it does is make me angry because they're exaggerating. Angry =/= screaming. When they tell me I'm screaming? Trust me, it could be a LOT louder.
If you heard me in real life maybe you could figure out whether or not they're full of s***...
I was often told to stop yelling, and I'd scream back "I'M NOT YELLING!! !! !! ! GOD!"-- but reality was, I was. If not specifically yelling all the way, I was raising my voice, and speaking much louder, which people explain in different ways "yelling" "screaming" "raising your voice". Its not complete screaming for your life like some axe murderer is out to get you, no, but its just a term people use.
It may bother you that they weren't being specific and were using the wrong term, as in "Screaming" for "raising your voice"-- but, goddamnnit, its just something that your going to have to deal with. You may wish for them to use the right terms and be more specific all you want, but its not going to happen, so quit taking it so harshly and learn to adapt to it. If you must, instead of saying "I'm not screaming! You haven't even heard me scream!" in a loud voice, back to them, you can say "I'm not screaming, screaming is when someone is chopping my leg off. Please explain it better, because clearly my limbs are still intact" or something that lets them know they're using the wrong term.
And sorry... I wasn't there, but I'm almost positive you ARE raising your voice. To you it might not be noticeable, and rarely is when one is upset, but to others its pretty obvious. I've seen it happen to me time and time again, and only in retrospect do I notice.
What amuses me, is that you already know this, but you clearly don't want to be in the wrong, and just sticking to your guns until everyone walks away in disgust.
I've done this myself, time and time again, so know exactly how this defensive stubbornness works, but after a while when I'm alone I think about things again and try to convince myself to let go, then I can change. When I'm in the stubborn mode, there's no shifting me. I'm going to stick to my guns and my side of the story/what I want, if it kills me. And often times it does more harm than good... (as in, nearly always). But give me some time, and I will loosen up and rethink things (so long as I'm alone, and not expected to anymore).
I know that its really difficult sometimes.
Like one... simple, but really stupid example.
I've always told people I'm not going to get married, and not going to date. And everyone always responds back "You say that now, but just wait until you meet someone, you'll change." To which I respond "No, I won't."
Well, years later, that still forces me to stick to my guns. Because I said I wouldn't, even if I actually DO want a boyfriend, and DO want to change, because I said I wouldn't, I won't. Its one of the things I'm fighting right now... There are still a lot of factors going on leaning to why I /don't/ want a boyfriend, but... not giving in to what ppl said is a huge one. And thats just plain stupid. So f***ing what if they are correct afterall, it'd end up with me in happiness... but my nature makes me want to clam up and wait and wait and wait until I'm dead, rather than give in and admit they were right.
So yeah, I understand where you're coming from. But I still fight it. As much as my nature makes me dread and squirm at the thought of someone else being right (and me arguing yet being wrong), I am able to recognize that they WERE right, and that if I just give in a little, things'll come out for the better.
Usually things aren't so cut and dry like that... thats particularly bothersome because I specifically SAID I wasn't going to, so makes me feel like I backed out of my word...
But theres a much more subtle layer here, of what I /think/ or /suggest/ and being wrong... like say, if I were you... I say that theres no one worthy of me, that theres no body who'd care. People say they're out there, but your going to have to change how your looking for them.
Well that suggests you were wrong in your original assumption, and that HURTS. So yeah, I see why your getting all defensive and arguing each and every point.... but really, that isn't any way to go about it. Sometimes you really do need another perspective to change things. Even if that means admitting you were wrong in your original assumption (which sucks, but happens)
...now that I got all confused with where I was going, and probably repeated 10 different points in different spots and muddled everything... all I want to say is.... Loosen up. Take some time to look things over, try to look at it from an outside perspective, and look at how you're acting, because from my ("our" from the other posts I read, but not going to say that your entire audience is included, so "my" for now) point of view... your acting like a spoiled brat who just wants everything to work out immediately, and refuses to compromise at all. If you're able to calm down, and admit, and give in... to anything really, to simply admitting that yeah, you are being stubborn and not taking advice, then you have a chance... if you can't do that... then I'm sorry, but that may very well be a reason people aren't interested in you. Nobody is interested in contorting themselves to meet the others every whim, because the other won't compromise at all (well, maybe not "nobody"... I'm sure there's some submissive guys out there who truely enjoy basically being a servant to the other... but in that case, you're gonna need to be damn assertive to find that person. )
I often 'play devils' advocate', because the way my mind works, I want to think through all possibilities. So when I'm arguing a point, it means I'm trying to find out what the answer is if the answer given doesn't produce results. To save time. So that like, 'if x doesn't work I can move on to trying y'.
In some instances x has already been tried, and failed. Hence the problem.
You might have a point about why people wouldn't want me, except nobody knew me well enough to know those things about me. They don't know my whims; I do not broadcast them. I usually only argue with family (and on message boards lol). I don't even know what I'd be compromising, and neither do they.
I don't want things to work out immediately; I'm just trying to figure out whether it's worth it before the biological clock runs out.
You might have a point about why people wouldn't want me, except nobody knew me well enough to know those things about me. They don't know my whims; I do not broadcast them. I usually only argue with family (and on message boards lol). I don't even know what I'd be compromising, and neither do they.
I don't want things to work out immediately; I'm just trying to figure out whether it's worth it before the biological clock runs out.
You opened the thread by stating that there is nobody in your town that you have the slightest desire to date, nor will you ever move. Since you don't actually want any of the men you see, what is the point of any dating advice? It's like teaching a vegetarian how to grill a burger.
What I mean is, you aren't really giving the impression that you are all that interested in a man's company. Your interest seems more like it's something you would like to check off a "life experiences I heard are important" checklist. If you really thought you'd be happiest with a male Trandformers fan, you wouldn't ask your brother to find you one. You'd go to Transformer fan sites (which are predominantly male, I assume) and strike up conversations with the men posting there. You'd find out if there are any fan activities in your area and go. But I don't think you actually want that. And you'll shoot down this advice too.
You might have a point about why people wouldn't want me, except nobody knew me well enough to know those things about me. They don't know my whims; I do not broadcast them. I usually only argue with family (and on message boards lol). I don't even know what I'd be compromising, and neither do they.
I don't want things to work out immediately; I'm just trying to figure out whether it's worth it before the biological clock runs out.
You opened the thread by stating that there is nobody in your town that you have the slightest desire to date, nor will you ever move. Since you don't actually want any of the men you see, what is the point of any dating advice? It's like teaching a vegetarian how to grill a burger.
What I'm saying when I said that is, I don't 'fall in love at first sight', and need to know quite a bit about a person before I'm even the slightest bit interested. And all any sort of 'interest' for me has been, through the years, just basic curiosity. I also need to know whether they're interested in me before my interest progresses any further. After all, I don't wanna go weird-stalker-crazy on a guy. (Not that I would, but some might interpret an interest as the beginnings as such if they cannot or will not reciprocate).
Quite simply put, I won't move because I cannot afford to. That is the only reason. If money were no object, that would be different. As it is, I have no idea where to go.
Well the truth is, I'm not really sure.
I tend to view it in a rather fatalistic way. "If it happens it happens, if it doesn't it doesn't and if it doesn't happen I'll deal with it."
I haven't actually asked them to find one. I've merely asked if they know any.
Actually, I have done all that. I have not found any male transformers fans that are single to talk to online that are anywhere near me IRL. And the ones that are single, I don't know well enough yet to get past the basic curiosity stage. I would HAVE to meet one IRL to know more, but trying to meet the closest one would cost so much money, I think I need to save for a few more years before I can even consider planning that.
If any guy when I went to school actually liked Transformers (even a fraction as much as I do), they sure as hell never made it obvious, nor did any of them feel the need to discuss the topic with me (as it was no secret I was a HUGE Transfan).
There is something in my area (an hour away) that I think they're having again this year, quite possibly in October. It's not specifically Transformers-related but I think that it's included. I may try to get in to that.
The reason I mentioned that in the context of my brothers is twofold: 1) if I can get someone local, that would be preferable. Someone I can get to know very well, as it is difficult to get to know someone online. I mean sure, I have talked to people online, some of them for several years. But they're so far away, it's impossible to -really- get to know them, or (in the case of unattached males) each other's dealbreakers in their entirety. As my brothers point out, anybody can say anything on the internet and you'd never know any different unless you met them in person. 2) If I actually (gasp) managed to find a Transfan, they'd better be prepared to be ignored or belittled by my brothers and not get along with them at all.
The thing is, a lot of male transfans are already attached. And I have no desire to interfere in the established relationships of others. The thing is, THEY CAN get local people, and most Transfan guys who can get local people (and will even settle for nonTransfans) will not be willing to invest very much in an attempt to get together with someone that is very far away and may turn out to be all wrong for them even if they do share a particular common interest. People are having to be careful with money these days, the economy being what it is and all.
sarek
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I never could find a girl in RL either. Same reasoning. I am not interested in them and they are not interested in me.
I didnt try dating sites either although I had this though of one day going on one, paint myself in the blackest possible colour, see if anyone would still show up and then prove I was telling the truth.
But that was only in my bitterest, darkest hours.
It was when I had just about stopped looking that I found my gf on a support forum.
I simply think that you cant force these issues.
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Oh it's very likely this cannot be 'forced'.
Sometimes I get the feeling that there's this invisible force that wants to keep me single for whatever reason. It's like I was never meant to 'breed', at least, given my current age and absolute lack of prospects.
Even on the internet, though I've attained what I thought was the impossible prior (male friends), we all never clicked well enough for one or both of us to go "We should meet IRL". (And they're so far away, and we're all so penniless, that they may as well be on another continent or another planet.)
But do male friends on the internet even really count? As in, would it be different if I knew them IRL?
The only thing that'll suck if it ends up I am not destined to have children (or get married), is that there'll be nobody to pay for my nursing home when I get old.
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