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27 Feb 2011, 6:50 am

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There are many NTs who would have no problem walking..no running away from someone who is different then them. From reading many of the posts here I'd say that is obvious. It does make me very happy when I read about people who want to be in happy relationships and have been able to find them. Quite honestly I am beginning to feel that this site is very negative, and that there is not that much that I can learn here. It seems to be more of a forum for venting and complaining then people working together to find positive solutions to issues.

My second quote might have this covered. It seems like, pro rata, the number of aspies and NT's who want to figure life and the world around them out is very similar, as is the number of people who run from having to work at it. I've had lots of experience as well in the past with posting threads with big questions that fell to the bottom of the page like a lead weight.


I often find your posts a mix of intriguing ideas smothered by a cloud of incomprehensibility. I don't think it's necessarily the ideas that people aren't interested, I think it's your writing style. At least for me. It might just be me. :shrug:


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27 Feb 2011, 6:57 am

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techstepgenr8tion wrote:
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There are many NTs who would have no problem walking..no running away from someone who is different then them. From reading many of the posts here I'd say that is obvious. It does make me very happy when I read about people who want to be in happy relationships and have been able to find them. Quite honestly I am beginning to feel that this site is very negative, and that there is not that much that I can learn here. It seems to be more of a forum for venting and complaining then people working together to find positive solutions to issues.

My second quote might have this covered. It seems like, pro rata, the number of aspies and NT's who want to figure life and the world around them out is very similar, as is the number of people who run from having to work at it. I've had lots of experience as well in the past with posting threads with big questions that fell to the bottom of the page like a lead weight.

I often find your posts a mix of intriguing ideas smothered by a cloud of incomprehensibility. I don't think it's necessarily the ideas that people aren't interested, I think it's your writing style. At least for me. It might just be me. :shrug:


It seemed perfectly sensical to me. :scratch:

Also, I love your title, techstep. :D


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27 Feb 2011, 7:38 am

Kaybee wrote:
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techstepgenr8tion wrote:
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There are many NTs who would have no problem walking..no running away from someone who is different then them. From reading many of the posts here I'd say that is obvious. It does make me very happy when I read about people who want to be in happy relationships and have been able to find them. Quite honestly I am beginning to feel that this site is very negative, and that there is not that much that I can learn here. It seems to be more of a forum for venting and complaining then people working together to find positive solutions to issues.

My second quote might have this covered. It seems like, pro rata, the number of aspies and NT's who want to figure life and the world around them out is very similar, as is the number of people who run from having to work at it. I've had lots of experience as well in the past with posting threads with big questions that fell to the bottom of the page like a lead weight.

I often find your posts a mix of intriguing ideas smothered by a cloud of incomprehensibility. I don't think it's necessarily the ideas that people aren't interested, I think it's your writing style. At least for me. It might just be me. :shrug:


It seemed perfectly sensical to me. :scratch:

Also, I love your title, techstep. :D


Not that post particularly. In general. I think I have problems reading dense, spiralling streams of consciousness. I think it's me.

Carry on.


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27 Feb 2011, 9:29 am

Your question assumes that this was such a black and white decision for many people. Who we love, why we love them and why we stay are not always very easy questions to answer.

It is not the question itself that angers me, it is the way that it was asked as well as some of the responses were given. There were some answers that were accurate, in particular what Moog posted was very good.

The way the question was worded “Why do they marry them?” So you are obviously not asking us this question, but asking others (presumably those with AS) to speculate on why we do what we do.

If you are “a bit perplexed by the number of women who come on here proclaiming they think their husbands might have AS, citing some type of emotional disconnect they seem to have with their husbands, and list a long number of traits their husbands have which they seem to have a problem with.”

Then why don’t you ask those women why they do what they do instead of asking others to speculate on their behavior? I have seen very negative posts written by people here about NTs, yet it appears that if some confused NT posts questions about her husband or partner that they should have just known better and not have either married them or continued to stay with them. I have seen very few really negative posts on WP from NTs regarding their relationships. Nothing like what I have seen in the Delphi forums. What I typically see are people who are just asking questions in what appears to be an inquisitive but positive way or people who are in a great deal of pain, but do not seem to be overly critical or blaming of their aspie partner.

I didn't realize that I would have to specifically state, "I'm a member of this forum, if you read any of my posts or comments please feel free to ask me questions if you would like." Very rarely has anyone even asked me questions when I do post something or comment on another post. Very few people actually even reply to my posts.

I have been on this forum for over a year, so I guess I'm not so easily angered. However, I do notice that mostly what is discussed in the forums that I read which are usually the Haven, Love and Dating, Social Skills and Making Friends and Members Only Discussion has to do with interacting with NTS.

I see a lot of discussions about relationships and people who wish to be in one. However it never fails that when someone is asking a question about being in a relationship..Someone else feels the need to comment that they don’t want to be in a relationship, that they are just fine on their own.

When someone asks a question about making friends..Someone else feels the need to comment that they don’t need friends.

When NTs ask questions about their relationships..Someone usually comments that the relationship probably won’t work and even suggests that the person seek psychological help to determine why they would love the person in the first place.

My point is that there is a lot of negativity here, and people seem to show great disdain when someone is trying to cope with a problem and often at least one person feels it necessary to share why they would never have such a problem.

You didn’t even just ask the question “Why do they marry them?” You also felt the need to explain why you would never do such a thing.

There are many problems that people here have that I would never have and have never had. Yet I don’t feel the need to ask a question about why someone does something and then go into detail about why I would never have that problem , because obviously I would use common sense to avoid it.

That is something that seems to happen in the world enough when people are talking about behavior that they don’t understand, yet it doesn’t seem to actually help anyone. It was my hope that this forum was different and more solution oriented. It is not this one post and some of the subsequent responses that has made me feel this way, but many things that I have read over the past six months.



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27 Feb 2011, 10:25 am

Reality is, go to any forum dedicated where people get together to help each other and you will find the same negativity from many.

Over the years I've read a lot of very interesting and helpful posts by people here so its not a complete loss. I even consider the negative posts quite informative because many a time they explain how they came to that conclusion and their thought process and realize I do the same damn thing and did not think it was an issue..until I read it.

Its all really about what you need from these forums and how you get it. Quite frankly you, an NT, being here and reading all of this would be similar to me going to a drug addict or alcoholic anonymous or family abuse forum and trying to understand just what it is like to go through all of it.. i'd be at a loss to understand their view since I've not experienced any of it.



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27 Feb 2011, 10:31 am

@ntgrl, I always got your back.

One thing I see here is that come here is they are here for help keeping the relationship going. Why they marry them in the first place? Possibly because many of these issues don't get in the way early in there relationships, or are overlooked. For those coming here for real help, I give them credit for having courage.

I do know that sometimes the advice on the forums at WP turn rather negative. I think the person giving the advice truly believe they are being helpful. The thing is, saying "this is what I would do if I was in your situation" is not always the advice a poster needs. Posters have different goals and needs. Advice should be practical.

The original question was legitimate. However, there is not one and only one answer. Every person who enters a relationship has their own reason for choosing who they do.



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27 Feb 2011, 10:35 am

Dantac wrote:
Reality is, go to any forum dedicated where people get together to help each other and you will find the same negativity from many.

Over the years I've read a lot of very interesting and helpful posts by people here so its not a complete loss. I even consider the negative posts quite informative because many a time they explain how they came to that conclusion and their thought process and realize I do the same damn thing and did not think it was an issue..until I read it.

Its all really about what you need from these forums and how you get it. Quite frankly you, an NT, being here and reading all of this would be similar to me going to a drug addict or alcoholic anonymous or family abuse forum and trying to understand just what it is like to go through all of it.. i'd be at a loss to understand their view since I've not experienced any of it.


Sometimes I wonder if Aspies resent NTs for being here.



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27 Feb 2011, 10:58 am

If you infer that from my post then you're mistaken. I appreciate NT's being here... its an excellent source of information and solutions...especially to socializing and relationship issues.



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27 Feb 2011, 11:02 am

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If you infer that from my post then you're mistaken. I appreciate NT's being here... its an excellent source of information and solutions...especially to socializing and relationship issues.


Good. That's the kind of idea that I'm glad to be mistaken about.



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27 Feb 2011, 11:05 am

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:roll: that chip on your shoulder is going to leave a hell of a stain.


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27 Feb 2011, 11:07 am

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Your question assumes that this was such a black and white decision for many people. Who we love, why we love them and why we stay are not always very easy questions to answer.

It is not the question itself that angers me, it is the way that it was asked as well as some of the responses were given. There were some answers that were accurate, in particular what Moog posted was very good.

The way the question was worded “Why do they marry them?” So you are obviously not asking us this question, but asking others (presumably those with AS) to speculate on why we do what we do.

If you are “a bit perplexed by the number of women who come on here proclaiming they think their husbands might have AS, citing some type of emotional disconnect they seem to have with their husbands, and list a long number of traits their husbands have which they seem to have a problem with.”

Then why don’t you ask those women why they do what they do instead of asking others to speculate on their behavior? I have seen very negative posts written by people here about NTs, yet it appears that if some confused NT posts questions about her husband or partner that they should have just known better and not have either married them or continued to stay with them. I have seen very few really negative posts on WP from NTs regarding their relationships. Nothing like what I have seen in the Delphi forums. What I typically see are people who are just asking questions in what appears to be an inquisitive but positive way or people who are in a great deal of pain, but do not seem to be overly critical or blaming of their aspie partner.

I didn't realize that I would have to specifically state, "I'm a member of this forum, if you read any of my posts or comments please feel free to ask me questions if you would like." Very rarely has anyone even asked me questions when I do post something or comment on another post. Very few people actually even reply to my posts.

I have been on this forum for over a year, so I guess I'm not so easily angered. However, I do notice that mostly what is discussed in the forums that I read which are usually the Haven, Love and Dating, Social Skills and Making Friends and Members Only Discussion has to do with interacting with NTS.

I see a lot of discussions about relationships and people who wish to be in one. However it never fails that when someone is asking a question about being in a relationship..Someone else feels the need to comment that they don’t want to be in a relationship, that they are just fine on their own.

When someone asks a question about making friends..Someone else feels the need to comment that they don’t need friends.

When NTs ask questions about their relationships..Someone usually comments that the relationship probably won’t work and even suggests that the person seek psychological help to determine why they would love the person in the first place.

My point is that there is a lot of negativity here, and people seem to show great disdain when someone is trying to cope with a problem and often at least one person feels it necessary to share why they would never have such a problem.

You didn’t even just ask the question “Why do they marry them?” You also felt the need to explain why you would never do such a thing.

There are many problems that people here have that I would never have and have never had. Yet I don’t feel the need to ask a question about why someone does something and then go into detail about why I would never have that problem , because obviously I would use common sense to avoid it.

That is something that seems to happen in the world enough when people are talking about behavior that they don’t understand, yet it doesn’t seem to actually help anyone. It was my hope that this forum was different and more solution oriented
. It is not this one post and some of the subsequent responses that has made me feel this way, but many things that I have read over the past six months.


Well I know that in 12 Step programs for instance participants are only allowed to share their own experiences, anything else is considered 'cross talk', even discussion of said experiences. WP seems to have a mix of both sharing experiences and giving advice, in a ratio that I personally find very helpful. I don't even perceive the negativity that you write of. You should meet some of the dysfunctional, warped people I've had to deal with in my life if you think this place is negative! :) Sadly you will need a "V.O." for some of 'em.



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27 Feb 2011, 11:10 am

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It's pathetic because I've seen a lot of women with a lot to give the world, who squander it all by being utterly average and ordinary. They go for safety, do not take risks, and domesticity is the safest option. I've seen this because countless times I've been passed over by women for other men, men who were ostensibly better providers than I. I'm a poor, struggling filmmaker, and none were willing to take the chance that together we could do great things. There was one girl who had great talent as a photographer, and I was immensley attracted to her. She did not reciprocate, but do you know who she went for? A f***ing insurance salesman. She went for safety and security, as most women do but wont' admit. As far as I'm concerned she's squandered her life already, as do most who get married or engaged in their silly, stupid twenties, rather than seeing what the world has to offer, and trying to do something in it. Instead, they go right into their readymade homes and their SUVs and become soccer moms. As I say, pathetic, bordering on sinful waste.


Some people also really want to start a family or be "ordinary," and that's what makes them happy. It isn't necessarily a security issue--it can be a lifestyle preference. Just because someone is a brilliant thinker or a superb artist doesn't mean they owe the world anything or that their life's dream necessarily aligns with their talents. The best photographer in the world may still enjoy photography but might want to have a family and and an ordinary life even more than they want to dedicate their life to photography. Nothing wrong with that. They don't view it as "squandering" their lives because, as far as they're concerned, they got exactly the life that they wanted.


In my opinion, the only stable life is family life. If a gal forgoes this for a shot at CEO, and finally makes it, she will come to the horrible reality of "It's lonely at the top."



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27 Feb 2011, 11:18 am

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I say it's because a lot of women, whether by conditioning or whatever, are desperate to marry. I known quite a few of them. Their aspiration is to marry, crap out kids and fulfill a life of blissful domesticity. Quite pathetic really.


"crap out" kids? Welcome to the dung heap!! :x



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27 Feb 2011, 11:29 am

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@ntgrl, I always got your back.



:) One of the awesome and helpful people who has taken the time to respond to my posts and answer my questions! Thanks!



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27 Feb 2011, 11:37 am

ntgrl wrote:
TheWeirdPig wrote:
@ntgrl, I always got your back.



:) One of the awesome and helpful people who has taken the time to respond to my posts and answer my questions! Thanks!
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27 Feb 2011, 11:42 am

This a part of post posted on AS partners (wow ,didn't know about this site)

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My ASBF and I made a deal this week -- I laid out that I will call the cops if he gets violent again. AND he needs to move money into my account. And give me the car. And keep working and supporting me till I get my own income (this is payback for when I supported him for years). AND I'm going to my sister's for a couple weeks while his sister moves out. AND no more harsh words or negating Lemon, because we are now FRIENDS AGAIN and friends don't berate each other.

I feel better. I feel I'm holding the reins of my own horse.

Ah, how revealing of our nutty relationship that not only do I feel empowered, but my boyfriend feels these are ALL THE RIGHT THINGS TO DO -- and HE feels better doing them. "We are friends again!" -- he's such a little boy!


Wow.... if he's dangerous and violent to the point that she might needs the cops then why she's staying with him ? even it was as "friends"?

The more stories I read on AS partners, the more I see the validity of Chronos' question.



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