How often do you see an "ugly" person

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01 Sep 2011, 9:36 pm

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I rarely look at myself in the mirror any more. I used to be kinda pretty but then my Cushing's Disease went out of control and I gained 80 pounds because of the tumor in my head. Now I can barely stand to look at myself in the mirror. I never asked to be overweight. I never asked for any of this, but it is what it is. I'm not pretty on the outside, but I'd do anything for any of my friends to help them, so in a lot of ways I'm pretty on the inside. I wish more guys would give me a chance because if they did, they'd get to know a pretty decent person.


That's really hard. Does the extra weight make you feel physically unwell all the time? That's what it's like for me when I gain weight.


Thanks. It's not just the weight per say that makes me feel unwell all the time, the Cushing's Disease basically destroyed every system in my body, so it's a constant battle to feel good. I do the best I can. It's my inner strength that keeps me going on a daily basis.



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02 Sep 2011, 12:02 am

I don't judge a girl by the numbers that appear as she stands on the scale. And it's none of my business whether her jean size is a 2 or a 20. However, she has to be comfortable in her own skin! Seriously, I feel awkward listening to a girl say, " I look a little flabby/ I'm too big to wear a swimsuit/ if I eat I'll gain weight". What the hell am I supposed to say to her besides telling her I think she looks fine as she is?



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02 Sep 2011, 1:25 am

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I thought this thread would be about beauty rather than a diatribe against fat people.

The point I was saying was that Yes looks matter, and we live in a very unhealthy country. I just wish more people cared about their appearance enough to lose or even gain weight if need be.

Im not prize either obviously since I am spending my time online posting on here, but im no lardass either, I could improve my posture and definitely gain some more muscle weight, which is what I am trying to do since I am going to the gym.

I didn't mean it that fat people = bad. I know that is how it came out, but I didn't know how to say how I was feeling without being so blunt that that is how it came across

As a straight guy in America it is just kind of painful trying to find a quality girl that isn't already taken, and there are tons of other guys competing at the same time for that small percentage of girls, and I am not talking about knockouts either


OP, IMO the reason you're not dating isn't because of the rate of obesity among American women - it's because of who you are. You're hyper-critical of these women, ascribing all kinds of negative behaviors/motivations to them, using derogatory terms to describe them, and generally projecting a lot of anger toward them. And why is that, exactly? Because you'd be able to get a date if only there were more women of "acceptable" weight for you to choose from? I'm not buying it. Stop putting your energy into demonizing these women - their body weight, image, size, eating patterns, physical activity levels, hormonal imbalances, eating disorders, etc. have nothing to do with you - so stop wasting your time worrying about it. You'd make a lot more progress toward establishing a relationship if you put all that energy into figuring out what you need to do to make yourself more attractive to the women you're attracted to. The problem is yours to solve - have at it.


I agree with what you are saying, and I am trying to better myself, I have already said that. All I am saying is whenever I go outside my house and go places, there is a shortage of attractive girls. I am just explaining why. Like I said already it is everyones responsibility to take care of themselves.

The same advice your giving me could apply to anyone else. I used to be really chunky myself, and I lost most of that weight.

Instead of "seeing someones inner beauty" and stuff like that, although well-meaning and true to some extent, is still kinda bs.

Some people need to lose weight to be considered attractive, just like I need to lose my mental "weight" lose the social "un-attractiveness" It goes BOTH ways.



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02 Sep 2011, 1:35 am

...AND I still feel like people are taking this post the wrong way. I am not attacking overweight people.

All I was saying was that I am attracted to nearly all girls who are relatively in shape.

THat is my personal preference. It is frustrating to see more overweight women than not sometimes. But it is only that persons choice and nobody else's.

Whereas alot of NT guys judge a girl based on looks on the 1-10 especially the jock sports guys, I don't as long as they are not bitchy with an attitude.

But if she is that much overweight, I am not going to look twice......sorry



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02 Sep 2011, 3:39 am

Why is it frustrating? If you can't find what you want move somewhere else. You don't live in a cage do you?



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02 Sep 2011, 9:42 am

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...AND I still feel like people are taking this post the wrong way. I am not attacking overweight people.

All I was saying was that I am attracted to nearly all girls who are relatively in shape.

THat is my personal preference. It is frustrating to see more overweight women than not sometimes. But it is only that persons choice and nobody else's.

Whereas alot of NT guys judge a girl based on looks on the 1-10 especially the jock sports guys, I don't as long as they are not bitchy with an attitude.

But if she is that much overweight, I am not going to look twice......sorry

it doesn't matter to anyone present whether you look twice at a fat girl.

you didn't phrase it as being just your preference... you referred to fat people as "ugly", low quality, unattractive, etc... as though your opinion was universal.

it is apparent from the last sentence of your OP that you knew that your thread was inflammatory and negative, yet you felt the need to post it anyway. it seems like you knew exactly what reaction you would get.


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02 Sep 2011, 10:43 pm

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...AND I still feel like people are taking this post the wrong way. I am not attacking overweight people.

All I was saying was that I am attracted to nearly all girls who are relatively in shape.

THat is my personal preference. It is frustrating to see more overweight women than not sometimes. But it is only that persons choice and nobody else's.

Whereas alot of NT guys judge a girl based on looks on the 1-10 especially the jock sports guys, I don't as long as they are not bitchy with an attitude.

But if she is that much overweight, I am not going to look twice......sorry

it doesn't matter to anyone present whether you look twice at a fat girl.

you didn't phrase it as being just your preference... you referred to fat people as "ugly", low quality, unattractive, etc... as though your opinion was universal.

it is apparent from the last sentence of your OP that you knew that your thread was inflammatory and negative, yet you felt the need to post it anyway. it seems like you knew exactly what reaction you would get.


I never said that fat people are ugly. I was talking about people regardless of weight were just hopeless. I was saying that almost never never do I see someone that fits in that category.

I never said fat people are ugly. Yes I knew the kind of responses I would get, AND I also expected people like you to mis-interpret what I was saying, which congrats you have proven me correct. People get completely upset whenever the word "overweight" is thrown out there. later this post is done......at least by me anyways I have nothing more else to say



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02 Sep 2011, 11:47 pm

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I never said that fat people are ugly. I was talking about people regardless of weight were just hopeless. I was saying that almost never never do I see someone that fits in that category.

I never said fat people are ugly. Yes I knew the kind of responses I would get, AND I also expected people like you to mis-interpret what I was saying, which congrats you have proven me correct. People get completely upset whenever the word "overweight" is thrown out there. later this post is done......at least by me anyways I have nothing more else to say

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My point is just that I think most people can be attractive, as long as they are relatively in shape and dress decent.

.....I just found them to be extremely attractive, because they are in shape, which seems like a rarity.

I just wanted to say I think I find most girls who are relatively in shape to be attractive naturally, no makeup.

I do think it is a slight that the guys here get pegged as having "too high standards" and visual creatures. I think we are, but only to a certain extent. when I just out and about in public, it is very rare that I see a girl my age that I find attractive, who isn't with her boyfriend. I mostly just see overweight people. Hey I am just calling it like it is.

I am extremely attracted to just average in shape girls. If I was an NT guy on the 1-10 scale it would be 6s and 7s.

I am actually turned off by 9s and 10s, because they probably have an attitude, and only go for nt guys

But the 6s and 7s are actually 9s in my mind if they have a good personality and are in shape. If this all makes sense.

I am not overweight myself, so I don't think this an unrealistic expectation. I just want an average cute girl in the looks department, as long as she has a good personality. I am not looking for that exotic girl or a megan fox. Im just saying looks aren't super important to me lol, just that alot of girls aren't what I wouldn't consider attractive ONLY because of weight issues.

OP, if you truly don't understand how you've come across, please take a look at the excerpts from your last post, and your original post. While it's true that you never used the phrase "fat people are ugly," you equated being attractive to being "in shape" seven different times in your original post. Look, you're entitled to be attracted to whomever you're attracted to - I don't think that concerns anyone here. However, you attributed an awful lot of negative attributes to large women (they don't "care" about their appearance, they don't "take care" of themselves, etc.), and use some pretty derogatory terms to describe overweight people ("Mr. McFatass").

IMO, it remains clear that you're directing some irrational anger at these women, and again IMO, I think that's what people are reacting to. Overweight women are overweight for a multitude of reasons (including serious physiological and psychological disorders). While it's commendable that you've lost your excess weight, it doesn't mean that your solution can be applied universally to others; it doesn't mean that the root of your weight problem is the root of anyone else's weight problem; it doesn't mean that you're somehow a better person than someone who is carrying extra weight. Those women may be just as sad, lonely, and miserable as you seem to be....a little compassion toward others might translate to more relationship success IRL. Just a thought.....


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02 Sep 2011, 11:56 pm

i thought he used the word "ugly" in the subject line of the thread as a reference to fat people.


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03 Sep 2011, 6:22 am

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However, I don't think I could date someone who I literally had zero physical attraction to, it would be quite hard (I'd probably give it a go though).


I've tried it, and it was absolutely useless. I used to beat myself up about it, too, but now I don't. I do wish my tastes (who I find physically attractive) were broader, though.


That's me exactly, and I'm probably single because of it, but the alternative (dating people you aren't attracted to) is literally impossible - I've tried too...



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03 Sep 2011, 10:40 am

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I rarely look at myself in the mirror any more. I used to be kinda pretty but then my Cushing's Disease went out of control and I gained 80 pounds because of the tumor in my head. Now I can barely stand to look at myself in the mirror. I never asked to be overweight. I never asked for any of this, but it is what it is. I'm not pretty on the outside, but I'd do anything for any of my friends to help them, so in a lot of ways I'm pretty on the inside. I wish more guys would give me a chance because if they did, they'd get to know a pretty decent person.


That's really hard. Does the extra weight make you feel physically unwell all the time? That's what it's like for me when I gain weight.


Thanks. It's not just the weight per say that makes me feel unwell all the time, the Cushing's Disease basically destroyed every system in my body, so it's a constant battle to feel good. I do the best I can. It's my inner strength that keeps me going on a daily basis.


I understand only a tiny bit of how hard that must be (I have been going through major mental and accompanying physical health issues myself this year, which are hopefully temporary). I truly admire your courage, and try myself to stick to that philosophy.


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03 Sep 2011, 5:10 pm

I would like to apologize to MR about my slight outburst. I don't like being called a liar when it comes to size and gender issues and I apologize.


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03 Sep 2011, 9:58 pm

Yes, I have seen one girl who was absolutely ugly. She wasn't very nice either, but I don't blame her.