women have it harder(coming from a male)
Sweetleaf
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Age: 35
Gender: Female
Posts: 34,991
Location: Somewhere in Colorado
CircusFreak wrote:
societies expectations:
guy:
-Get a degree...technical school whatever...make 50k a year(any guy can do this
-get in shape(wieghtlift ,bike). Once again, any guy can do this...i did.
-Develop decent social skills
women:
-be pretty
-be pressured into looking pretty
-have a naturally pretty face....which is not something you control
-wear clothes to make you look pretty
-be pretty..
-go through child birth
-Did I mention there is pressure to be pretty?
My point is this to all the men here:
Grow some balls and stop whining about how women have it easier. Go lift some weights, take out some loans and enroll in college. In addition, treat your women like a queen, spoil her, develop good social skills through watching people.... and just man up. Women have it MUCH harder from talking to my girlfriend.
guy:
-Get a degree...technical school whatever...make 50k a year(any guy can do this
-get in shape(wieghtlift ,bike). Once again, any guy can do this...i did.
-Develop decent social skills
women:
-be pretty
-be pressured into looking pretty
-have a naturally pretty face....which is not something you control
-wear clothes to make you look pretty
-be pretty..
-go through child birth
-Did I mention there is pressure to be pretty?
My point is this to all the men here:
Grow some balls and stop whining about how women have it easier. Go lift some weights, take out some loans and enroll in college. In addition, treat your women like a queen, spoil her, develop good social skills through watching people.... and just man up. Women have it MUCH harder from talking to my girlfriend.
Yeah and who says anyone has to follow those stupid rules? I am a female and I don't give a crap about being 'pretty.' people have pressured me to care about it and it did not work because I still don't care. I like to dress like a guy though sometimes I wear more femine clothing which is probably attractive but that is rare I am more comfortable dressed like a guy. Maybe I don't want kids....and again pretty is not something I strive to be.
hartzofspace
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Joined: 14 Apr 2005
Gender: Female
Posts: 7,138
Location: On the Road Less Traveled
Sweetleaf wrote:
CircusFreak wrote:
societies expectations:
guy:
-Get a degree...technical school whatever...make 50k a year(any guy can do this
-get in shape(wieghtlift ,bike). Once again, any guy can do this...i did.
-Develop decent social skills
women:
-be pretty
-be pressured into looking pretty
-have a naturally pretty face....which is not something you control
-wear clothes to make you look pretty
-be pretty..
-go through child birth
-Did I mention there is pressure to be pretty?
My point is this to all the men here:
Grow some balls and stop whining about how women have it easier. Go lift some weights, take out some loans and enroll in college. In addition, treat your women like a queen, spoil her, develop good social skills through watching people.... and just man up. Women have it MUCH harder from talking to my girlfriend.
guy:
-Get a degree...technical school whatever...make 50k a year(any guy can do this
-get in shape(wieghtlift ,bike). Once again, any guy can do this...i did.
-Develop decent social skills
women:
-be pretty
-be pressured into looking pretty
-have a naturally pretty face....which is not something you control
-wear clothes to make you look pretty
-be pretty..
-go through child birth
-Did I mention there is pressure to be pretty?
My point is this to all the men here:
Grow some balls and stop whining about how women have it easier. Go lift some weights, take out some loans and enroll in college. In addition, treat your women like a queen, spoil her, develop good social skills through watching people.... and just man up. Women have it MUCH harder from talking to my girlfriend.
Yeah and who says anyone has to follow those stupid rules? I am a female and I don't give a crap about being 'pretty.' people have pressured me to care about it and it did not work because I still don't care. I like to dress like a guy though sometimes I wear more femine clothing which is probably attractive but that is rare I am more comfortable dressed like a guy. Maybe I don't want kids....and again pretty is not something I strive to be.
Amen! Being considered "pretty" has caused me more grief than I can describe. I would get so sick of being approached because of how I looked and not how I actually was. I probably wouldn't have stayed single as long as I did, had the approaches been based upon a true meeting of minds! Not all women care about being pretty. We care about being respected and appreciated, mostly.
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hartzofspace wrote:
Amen! Being considered "pretty" has caused me more grief than I can describe. I would get so sick of being approached because of how I looked and not how I actually was. I probably wouldn't have stayed single as long as I did, had the approaches been based upon a true meeting of minds! Not all women care about being pretty. We care about being respected and appreciated, mostly.
Yes! God, yes. I used to say, "This may be how I look, but this is not who I am." Met with general not-understanding.
Erisad wrote:
Um...thanks? I guess. I don't know what to say to this thread. :lol:
hale_bopp wrote:
Bla Bla Bla.
Broken records anyone?
Yikes. I can't even be bothered replying, and I usually jump all over this stuff. :oops:
Broken records anyone?
Yikes. I can't even be bothered replying, and I usually jump all over this stuff. :oops:
You two have resonated my thoughts very accurately
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hartzofspace wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
CircusFreak wrote:
societies expectations:
guy:
-Get a degree...technical school whatever...make 50k a year(any guy can do this
-get in shape(wieghtlift ,bike). Once again, any guy can do this...i did.
-Develop decent social skills
women:
-be pretty
-be pressured into looking pretty
-have a naturally pretty face....which is not something you control
-wear clothes to make you look pretty
-be pretty..
-go through child birth
-Did I mention there is pressure to be pretty?
My point is this to all the men here:
Grow some balls and stop whining about how women have it easier. Go lift some weights, take out some loans and enroll in college. In addition, treat your women like a queen, spoil her, develop good social skills through watching people.... and just man up. Women have it MUCH harder from talking to my girlfriend.
guy:
-Get a degree...technical school whatever...make 50k a year(any guy can do this
-get in shape(wieghtlift ,bike). Once again, any guy can do this...i did.
-Develop decent social skills
women:
-be pretty
-be pressured into looking pretty
-have a naturally pretty face....which is not something you control
-wear clothes to make you look pretty
-be pretty..
-go through child birth
-Did I mention there is pressure to be pretty?
My point is this to all the men here:
Grow some balls and stop whining about how women have it easier. Go lift some weights, take out some loans and enroll in college. In addition, treat your women like a queen, spoil her, develop good social skills through watching people.... and just man up. Women have it MUCH harder from talking to my girlfriend.
Yeah and who says anyone has to follow those stupid rules? I am a female and I don't give a crap about being 'pretty.' people have pressured me to care about it and it did not work because I still don't care. I like to dress like a guy though sometimes I wear more femine clothing which is probably attractive but that is rare I am more comfortable dressed like a guy. Maybe I don't want kids....and again pretty is not something I strive to be.
Amen! Being considered "pretty" has caused me more grief than I can describe. I would get so sick of being approached because of how I looked and not how I actually was. I probably wouldn't have stayed single as long as I did, had the approaches been based upon a true meeting of minds! Not all women care about being pretty. We care about being respected and appreciated, mostly.
this is what bothers me no matter how many times i approach a female they allways assume im interested solely on there looks
it cant at all be becuz i over heard them say something highly intelligent or the fact that a piece of art work they were working on caught my eye
ive never apporched a women based on her looks, ever!! ! and it gets old when i do approach a women based on something theyve done or said and they blow me off thinking i wasnt sincere
(looks do matter to me though there just not interesting enough for me to want to approach a girl)
SadAspy wrote:
I've been to college....twice, but women just want high school dropouts because they're "bad boys."
Does my memory deceive me or haven't you also previously stated that women only want men who make a lot of money?
SadAspy wrote:
Women get the better jobs thanks to affirmative action.
This is not true. Affirmative action has not existed in my state for years and when it did it only applied to government entities.
Men are still the majority in most high paying sectors of the work force and women in the same positions still only earn 75 cents to every dollar men earn.
Many people are under the impression that being a woman in a scientific, male dominated field, that I get a lot of perks due to affirmative action but I've never had any such preferential treatment and all of my achievements have been on my own merit.
SadAspy wrote:
Women can be introverted/ have Aspergers/ be otherwise socially awkward and still get men.
Truly introverted women do not get men any more than truly introverted men get women. Truly introverted women just tend to be completely ignored and this is one reason it's thought that AS in women and girls is under-diagnosed. The quite girls become invisible.
SadAspy wrote:
Women put their pic on a dating sites and if they're even remotely attractive, they got tons of responses and even fat, ugly ones will get a few. Women can use their bodies to make money or marry someone for their money.
Maybe if she makes it known she just wants casual sex. NT men are actually quite picky as far as relationships beyond that go though, and they actually care a lot about personality when given multiple options.
And no one is stopping you from being a male prostitute or adult entertainer.
SadAspy wrote:
Men commit suicide at a higher rate (everywhere except China). They make up 90 percent of prison inmates and workplace deaths. They have to approach. They have to shell out money for hookers because women are so damn picky.
Boo hoo hoo. If men commit suicide at a higher rate it's because they themselves don't bother to seek counseling or treatment for their depression when women do. They make up 90% of prison inmates because young men have a tendency to do stupid and often violent things which makes them a danger to society, and fittingly so they end up incarcerated. And they make up more workplace deaths because they are in the position to take more dangerous yet higher paying jobs that for all practical purposes, actually aren't open to women as they either require a strength most women don't posses, or it's a male dominated workplace that is hostile towards women, and where women actually aren't really welcome.
When I was a teenager I wanted to deliver pizzas but my parents objected because there was a far greater risk I could be sexually assaulted than male pizza delivery person.
There isn't any occupation a man has to fight to be in simply because he is a man. There isn't any occupation where men are not welcome simply because they are men, and there isn't any occupation where men face an exponentially greater risk than women, simply because they are men, but the same cannot be said for women.
Honestly there are valid arguments that men have it harder or at least equally so in certain aspects of life and you have done men a dis-service by not presenting any of them, so I will.
As bread winners of their family, most men sacrifice a certain bond with their children because they're at work all day.
Men who are the primary bread winners have to worry about not being able to support their family, and the emotional toll that not being able to do so has is often overlooked or under recognized even though it's the leading cause of family murder-suicides among men.
Men who are victims of domestic violence are often mocked by law enforcement and others they confide in and turn to for help.
Men historically have less of a say over whether or not they go to war, than women.
You hear of women in DRC and Sudan who were violently gang raped but you don't hear about the men who were forced at gun point or under threat of their family to rape women, as many actually were.
Men are expect to be brave and confident, and some find this an insurmountable task.
Men who are victims of sexual abuse are often not taken seriously.
Men risk being falsely accused of rape.
I can go on because you see, I have the capacity to recognize and respect and even empathize with the difficulties men face in life and you have repeatedly demonstrated you have no such capacity for the difficulties women face.
CircusFreak wrote:
societies expectations:
guy:
-Get a degree...technical school whatever...make 50k a year(any guy can do this
-get in shape(wieghtlift ,bike). Once again, any guy can do this...i did.
-Develop decent social skills
women:
-be pretty
-be pressured into looking pretty
-have a naturally pretty face....which is not something you control
-wear clothes to make you look pretty
-be pretty..
-go through child birth
-Did I mention there is pressure to be pretty?
My point is this to all the men here:
Grow some balls and stop whining about how women have it easier. Go lift some weights, take out some loans and enroll in college. In addition, treat your women like a queen, spoil her, develop good social skills through watching people.... and just man up. Women have it MUCH harder from talking to my girlfriend.
guy:
-Get a degree...technical school whatever...make 50k a year(any guy can do this
-get in shape(wieghtlift ,bike). Once again, any guy can do this...i did.
-Develop decent social skills
women:
-be pretty
-be pressured into looking pretty
-have a naturally pretty face....which is not something you control
-wear clothes to make you look pretty
-be pretty..
-go through child birth
-Did I mention there is pressure to be pretty?
My point is this to all the men here:
Grow some balls and stop whining about how women have it easier. Go lift some weights, take out some loans and enroll in college. In addition, treat your women like a queen, spoil her, develop good social skills through watching people.... and just man up. Women have it MUCH harder from talking to my girlfriend.
I think it's a valid point you raise that these things society or women expect of men are things that can be acquired while the things society or men expect of women can't always be, specifically, one can only do so much to make themselves attractive or have a nice figure.
But from personal experience, even though they frequently don't explicitly recognize it, men implicitly place a significant amount of weight on personality when it comes to a sustained relationship with a woman, and this is where women with AS struggle. Most men are attracted to up beat, expressive, energetic women who can also be very warm and physical and most women with AS...well...aren't.
Chronos wrote:
CircusFreak wrote:
societies expectations:
guy:
-Get a degree...technical school whatever...make 50k a year(any guy can do this
-get in shape(wieghtlift ,bike). Once again, any guy can do this...i did.
-Develop decent social skills
women:
-be pretty
-be pressured into looking pretty
-have a naturally pretty face....which is not something you control
-wear clothes to make you look pretty
-be pretty..
-go through child birth
-Did I mention there is pressure to be pretty?
My point is this to all the men here:
Grow some balls and stop whining about how women have it easier. Go lift some weights, take out some loans and enroll in college. In addition, treat your women like a queen, spoil her, develop good social skills through watching people.... and just man up. Women have it MUCH harder from talking to my girlfriend.
guy:
-Get a degree...technical school whatever...make 50k a year(any guy can do this
-get in shape(wieghtlift ,bike). Once again, any guy can do this...i did.
-Develop decent social skills
women:
-be pretty
-be pressured into looking pretty
-have a naturally pretty face....which is not something you control
-wear clothes to make you look pretty
-be pretty..
-go through child birth
-Did I mention there is pressure to be pretty?
My point is this to all the men here:
Grow some balls and stop whining about how women have it easier. Go lift some weights, take out some loans and enroll in college. In addition, treat your women like a queen, spoil her, develop good social skills through watching people.... and just man up. Women have it MUCH harder from talking to my girlfriend.
I think it's a valid point you raise that these things society or women expect of men are things that can be acquired while the things society or men expect of women can't always be, specifically, one can only do so much to make themselves attractive or have a nice figure.
But from personal experience, even though they frequently don't explicitly recognize it, men implicitly place a significant amount of weight on personality when it comes to a sustained relationship with a woman, and this is where women with AS struggle. Most men are attracted to up beat, expressive, energetic women who can also be very warm and physical and most women with AS...well...aren't.
we AS men hav the same issue often enough and become "emotional vampires", i often wonder if this is the real issue that people with aspergers hav when pursuing or in a relationship and we become draining to people who actualy are interested in having a relationship with us
Chronos wrote:
Does my memory deceive me or haven't you also previously stated that women only want men who make a lot of money?
They want either male models, rich guys, or bad boys. That's it. They want the rest of to just die.
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Truly introverted women do not get men any more than truly introverted men get women. Truly introverted women just tend to be completely ignored and this is one reason it's thought that AS in women and girls is under-diagnosed. The quite girls become invisible.
Wrong. Quiet women will still get approached. Quiet men will live in misery.
SadAspy wrote:
And no one is stopping you from being a male prostitute or adult entertainer.
I can't get women for free (and of course, it's because of my negative attitude and lack of confidence lol)....what makes you think I could get them to pay me?
SadAspy wrote:
Boo hoo hoo. If men commit suicide at a higher rate it's because they themselves don't bother to seek counseling or treatment for their depression when women do.
Wow...and I'm the insensitive one? They commit suicide because of how women treat them.
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They make up 90% of prison inmates because young men have a tendency to do stupid and often violent things which makes them a danger to society, and fittingly so they end up incarcerated.
And men go to prison for crimes that women get away with. As you alluded to, many are falsely accused or rape/sexual assault. Men also get longer sentences for the same crimes (see statutory rape).
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When I was a teenager I wanted to deliver pizzas but my parents objected because there was a far greater risk I could be sexually assaulted than male pizza delivery person.
Yeah, you were really kept out of a prestigious job.
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There isn't any occupation a man has to fight to be in simply because he is a man. There isn't any occupation where men are not welcome simply because they are men, and there isn't any occupation where men face an exponentially greater risk than women, simply because they are men, but the same cannot be said for women.
I want to be an administrative assistant, but it's a woman-dominated field. So are social workers. Government jobs in general want women. Women can get jobs they aren't qualified for just by virtue of being attractive.
Yes. I have a masters in a liberal arts field. A woman who went to the same school and got the exact same degree got a job within a week of graduation. It's been almost two years for me, and I've found nothing.
Though I'm sure the guy in the pic just had a woman take him for all he was worth, so he probably doesn't give a s**t (just like me).
BTW, I don't know if the girl in your avatar is meant to be you or not, but I've approached girls who looked like that and been rejected. Girls like that want alpha bad boys just like the hot cheerleader types do.
SadAspy wrote:
Though I'm sure the guy in the pic just had a woman take him for all he was worth, so he probably doesn't give a sh** (just like me).
BTW, I don't know if the girl in your avatar is meant to be you or not, but I've approached girls who looked like that and been rejected. Girls like that want alpha bad boys just like the hot cheerleader types do.
BTW, I don't know if the girl in your avatar is meant to be you or not, but I've approached girls who looked like that and been rejected. Girls like that want alpha bad boys just like the hot cheerleader types do.
Most guys who approach a girl who looks like Katy Perry would get rejected. Just saying..
Anyway, "hot" guys like cheerleaders, and butt ugly guy like cheerleaders too. I've seen girls here say butt ugly guys chat up cheerleaders then give them gross looks. Works both ways.
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