Anybody who doesn´t like weddings?

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20 Oct 2011, 2:29 am

I find weddings, in their current form, eminently pointless. When my sister got married she asked if I'd be a maid of honor. I considered, and realized I'd HAVE TO WEAR A DRESS (and DRESS SHOES!) and refused.

I used to think 'darn, someday I'm going to have to go through that.'

But now it's like "phew, it's very unlikely I'll have to go through that!"



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20 Oct 2011, 5:02 am

However....I don't understand why they have to write such long vows sometimes.



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20 Oct 2011, 5:20 am

I hate them, since I don't like seeing other people's happiness, while I get nothing :x



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20 Oct 2011, 8:02 am

I've been to lots and lots of weddings, and I've been an attendant in several. They mostly bore me. Even my own, which was pretty minimal. I simply don't have enough chit-chat in me to last an entire day. It was especially excruciating when it was my wedding and I was forced to be the center of attention. :roll:

I try to distract myself with interesting observations about the dynamics of the people in attendance or how good a job the caterers are doing, but that only goes so far. Thank goodness for alcohol!

I'm very happy for the people getting married, but the ritual surrounding the day is annoying and burdensome to me.

{Also annoying: the Catholic wedding with a full mass. My family is Catholic (I'm an atheist) so most of the family weddings and several friends' weddings I've been to have been hours-long ceremonies. Bleah. At least there's always booze at the reception.)



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20 Oct 2011, 1:25 pm

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I've been to lots and lots of weddings, and I've been an attendant in several. They mostly bore me. Even my own, which was pretty minimal. I simply don't have enough chit-chat in me to last an entire day. It was especially excruciating when it was my wedding and I was forced to be the center of attention. :roll:

I try to distract myself with interesting observations about the dynamics of the people in attendance or how good a job the caterers are doing, but that only goes so far. Thank goodness for alcohol!

I'm very happy for the people getting married, but the ritual surrounding the day is annoying and burdensome to me.

{Also annoying: the Catholic wedding with a full mass. My family is Catholic (I'm an atheist) so most of the family weddings and several friends' weddings I've been to have been hours-long ceremonies. Bleah. At least there's always booze at the reception.)

Cant you just skip the ceremony?.
I come from a very catholic family(my uncle is a priest and one of my cousins is a priest now doing some sort of higher studies in Rome) they both understand that my parents choose to raise me and my sisters on a non religious way and they understand that we find this kind of ceremonies extremely tiresome(they are the ones in charge on most weddings/religious ceremonies on my family).


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20 Oct 2011, 1:32 pm

spongy wrote:
Cant you just skip the ceremony?.


I could, but my own moral code prevents me from doing that. I find it disrespectful and I don't like when other people do that. And, several of the weddings I've been to have been out of state so I traveled a long way to be there for the day. {And usually there's a receiving line right outside the church, so they'd know who skipped.}

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I come from a very catholic family(my uncle is a priest and one of my cousins is a priest now doing some sort of higher studies in Rome) they both understand that my parents choose to raise me and my sisters on a non religious way and they understand that we find this kind of ceremonies extremely tiresome(they are the ones in charge on most weddings/religious ceremonies on my family).


That's great! I was also raised nonreligious but I strive to be respectful when in other people's houses of worship. Plus, I think there's just a greater social pressure on women to attend these things. In other words, if I were to skip it, it "would be noticed". Men are allowed to skip stuff with nary a head turned. Just one of the many concessions I make to pretending to be NT. :wink:

I'm very fortunate that of the weddings I've been in, they were short religious ceremonies or nondenominational, justice-of-the-peace type ceremonies.



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20 Oct 2011, 1:36 pm

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Fundamentally, a relationship is a business transaction. Each side gets something from the other, and the relationship will work as long as the perceived values on each side are about equal.

mmmm i don't think so. i really don't think it is necessarily fair or equal, but people make it work anyways because they care to. i do believe that a focus on transactions as opposed to giving of oneself is not really healthy for a relationship as it commodifies everything and creates a push-pull/provide-withhold/give-take situation, which leads to a sense of entitlement and i believe a loss of true affection. if you give hugs because you will get sex, then over time you stop giving hugs to make the other person feel good unless you get what you think you deserve. in that situation everything has a price tag and an egocentric motivation.


The key thing there is "perceived value". It isn't the same thing as monetary value, not at all. And these values include paying attention, physical affection, compliments, moral support, housework, tolerance and sometimes (because human beings are nutcases) even arguments. That's nothing like a complete list, you understand; everyone has their own requirements.

These things aren't even perceived equally by both sides. I am happy to do all the practical stuff, like assembling furniture, and the computer techie stuff. I'm good at those and I enjoy them, and I don't value my skills as highly as my partner values them. It's as though I'd buy my services for £10 and my partner would for £30. But there are compensatory things the other way - my partner is much more capable of telling salesmen to bog off, because my aspie introvert nature shuns conflict. For him, that's nothing. For me, it's a lot more valuable.

It IS true that focusing on your transactions is a recipe for disaster. Some people actually do this, thinking about whether they're putting more effort into the relationship than their partner and getting into arguments as a result. This is not love, but greed. If there's a serious imbalance, it'll be an unhappy relationship and it may be best to redress the difference or break it off, but quibbling over what basically amounts to a few quid either way is silly.

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The romantic thing is pretty much a drug addiction - it has the same effect on brain chemistry, and causes the same social issues. Being in love feels great. Being around someone else who's in love is damned uncomfortable. It's like them being drunk or stoned, all the time, and their entire personality changes. They get obsessed with their fix. Their work suffers. Their social life suffers. Their finances suffer - any drug habit will turn out expensive, and love is no exception.

i am really not seeing the harm you are talking about, but it makes me sad to think of people "sobering up" like that. it sounds depressing and rather empty. not every relationship becomes like that, which i am thankful for. i think you are judging other people's situations with your own filter, and it isn't necessarily an accurate assessment.


It's pretty accurate, unfortunately! But it's up to you how you interpret that. You can think of love as being a magical thing that cannot be understood, which is fundamentally wrong but will let you enjoy it. You can think of love as being this clinical description of how human brains work and feel depressed. Or you can do what I do, and understand how it all works and enjoy it anyway. Knowing that you're on a drug doesn't stop you getting high. On the other hand, knowing you're on a drug is crucial to recognising if you're harmfully addicted.

Sobering up isn't so bad. It isn't sudden (it isn't with any substance, artificial or hormonal) but a gradual progression. Every day you feel the buzz slightly less and don't even realise it's going down, until one day you wonder why you aren't as delirious as you were.

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a "solid foundation" doesn't sound happy.


Happiness is another misunderstood thing. It's not a permanent state - whatever happens in your life, your happiness will always reset to zero, good or bad. Remember the Blitz? People weren't wailing in despair 24/7. Having your house bombed is a traumatic event, but they usually got over it. Once the immediate concerns of food and shelter were dealt with, they'd start returning to zero. And what about lottery winners? After the initial thrill and the fleet of Ferraris and the world cruise, their new life becomes ordinary. They return to zero.

Happiness is not the same as contentment, which is what we should truly seek. A solid foundation to a relationship won't give you much happiness, but it'll make you much more content.

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perhaps if you remove the sense of entitlement (among other problems) from separation and divorce, then the anger and bitterness can evaporate too (see my analysis of "transactions" above).


Nice idea, and for some people it even works. If they mutually agree that they should split up, and they agree how to divide everything up and how to arrange visiting the children and all the rest, it's a good split and leads to good things. This generally comes from both parties realising that it isn't working and agreeing that splitting up is better.

Unfortunately, some people don't work that way. One of the two (occasionally both, which is double the stress) will feel somehow cheated or wronged and will seek to make reparations. This could be in the form of money, or by attempting to humiliate or even harm the other person, or even both. Revenge isn't calculated fairly. It's the simple urge to keep beating the other person until they bleed, and maybe a bit more after that.

Again, this is down to perceived value - often that the "wronged" party thinks their own contribution was far greater than their partner's.

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i think it's not divorce that is the problem, because sometimes things just don't work or people change and want different things or whatever... it's the marriages and the individuals within them that are the problem before divorce.


Now there I agree. It's not the marriage that causes the problem. It merely crystallises it. If you're not officially hitched then it's much easier to simply walk out.

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i don't think that sticking it out to the bitter end is a valuable experience in a lot of cases, and in fact i've often thought unhappy couples would be better off divorced.


Again, I agree. Sometimes they don't want to split up out of a perverse desire to punish their "loved one". Sometimes they simply don't recognise the option is there. I think most of the time it's just fear - that if they quit this relationship, they'll never find another and will be doomed to live alone for the rest of their lives.

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it doesn't have to be expensive. you can choose how you behave within a marriage and after it ends, and it has a great effect on the other partner. it is possible to be just as harmonious after the marriage comes to a close. (my current therapist wants me to write a book about how to go about it, my last therapist said i should run workshops... but i think it's all silly. it is the people who are the problem, not their difficult divorce proceedings, and i cannot change them).


And with that last sentence, you've demonstrated more wisdom than most! It's the same with drug addicts. Treatment programmes are a waste of time for many of them because they simply won't work unless they WANT to quit. You can't make that choice for them. Likewise, many people suck at relationships because they don't want to face their own flaws and do something about them. "People should take me as I am" is one of the most infuriating soundbites I've ever heard. Yes, people should take me as I am in some respects - I'm autistic, I'm a little bit crazy and I prefer computers to people - but I can and have changed many aspects of my personality throughout my life to make myself more socially acceptable.

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The divorce rate has declined because more people are opting for cohabitation over marriage, even when children are involved. The distinction is meaningless to me.

i didn't speak of the decline. it was never 50% of marriages that ended in divorce, so the statistic is inaccurate.people throw it around like it has some sort of meaning, and it is a made-up number.


I'd consider anything over 10% to be worryingly high. But who cares? Didn't you know that 83% of all statistics are simply made up on the spot? :D



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24 Oct 2011, 11:09 pm

Weddings? Marriage? No thank you. I've been married once, it was the worst experience of my life. Never again! I'd rather pretend the whole thing never even existed.



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15 Jan 2012, 10:23 am

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Robsten, I hope your user name isn't as Twilight-y as it seems, cuz you know they're gettin married in the next flick, right?

Lol, actually it is :lol: I love Twilight and I´m also a Robstenshipper :)


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15 Jan 2012, 12:23 pm

Last time I went to a wedding, it was a big two day do where we had to stay in a hotel and everything. So after the ceremony I just went up to my room and watched the telly.

Just like all parties, I do not enjoy weddings.



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15 Jan 2012, 1:25 pm

I despise weddings for the sheer amount of wastefulness they represent.



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15 Jan 2012, 1:36 pm

Hate them. They are only a redistribution of wealth. The people should save the money and go to the civil service way. I especially hate the receptions (receptions of any kind). I generally sit alone and drink too much. I rarely know anyone except some relatives or a few people int he wedding party. Most people who know me try to avoid me because I end up talking about things they could care less about.



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18 Jan 2012, 6:08 pm

I'd rather have my finger nails pulled out than go to a wedding reception.

I think it's the expectations everyone has of you at weddings.... "dance" "Have a good time", "find a girl", "get laid","get married" "look happy"... I really freak out after 10 minutes of it and I look like.. well.. like I'm having my finger nails pulled out. ...and then things get worse... People start asking me if I'm ok and tell me to dance. I feel like kicking someone in the nuts when they start pulling me toward the dance floor.

Interestingly enough though, it's not too bad when I'm there with a girlfriend. That only happened once but I was dancing on a table at 4am that day.



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19 Jan 2012, 3:19 pm

I just went to my cousin-in-law's wedding a few weeks ago. The ceremony was rediculous with poem readings from various people about how they've never seen them happier, etc, but what really got my goat was that it was the bride's second wedding. Don't you think people said "I've never seen you this happy!" at her first wedding? Shouldn't that be your first clue that this is a load of bull? :P
Love can be great, sure, but be realistic not idealistic please. Sure, I hope you stay together forever but I acknowledge there is a possibility (Even a likelihood) that you won't so I'm not going to sit here and talk about soulmates and eternal love. That's just insulting in its inaccuracy.


Then of course was the reception. The food was nice, drinks were good, had a good time chatting with my brother-in-law's girlfriend. Then the music started >< oh my lord, why oh why does it have to be that loud?? I covered my ears and it was still deafening. My husband and I took off almost immediately at that point.


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24 Jan 2012, 12:30 am

Some weddings are just unnecessarily long. People go on for hours talking about how great is this how great is that. It can get quite repetitive and boring at times.



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27 Sep 2012, 5:22 pm

Hate weddings. My own official registration took around 5 minutes, I was wearing jeans and sneakers, as well as my BF (now husband), and cost us around $3.5. I never wear dresses or dress shoes. Besides, where I live we have foolish traditions when everyone takes a photographer and sits in a limo and drives around the town for hours taking standard banal photos near all town sights. After that everyone goes to the restaurant and they eat and drink and make stupid speeches. And the music's playing loudly. I was at a 'traditional' wedding like this once and don't have the nerve to go through it again.