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17 Nov 2011, 12:19 pm

Some that replied may have taken further as you say, but that wasn't the original intent of the thread itself.

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17 Nov 2011, 12:20 pm

And, regardless, if you don't know Taylor Lautner, or Brad Pitt, or whoever in person, how can they be ideal partners for you? You have no idea about their attributes other than what a photograph can show you.

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17 Nov 2011, 12:23 pm

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I don't think 'in person' is necessarily important, though it is important to actually know the person before you make such an assessment.

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17 Nov 2011, 1:37 pm

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Through my teen years, I've gone from being 140 to 200lbs+ at 6'3 with visible abs and muscularity, I was very thin and had no muscularity before I started working out, I'd say that what really drove me to work out was being self conscious and insecure and I noticed it more so than others, it also helped me to connect to other males who were interested in sports and weightlifting and form friendships. If you're a male, working out can definitely be beneficial mentally and build confidence in that aspect, I also find it to a be a positive outlet and help me mentally so it has benefited me in many ways.

It's interesting that you say you were insecure. You're tall. I was under the (wrong?) impression tall guys are never that insecure to begin with, because women like tall men and other men respect them, too (which is BAD - height should not determine anybody's happiness or self-worth).

Anyway, sorry if I made you seem like I was starting some hate on the muscular guys or guys who work out. There's nothing wrong in working out. I just offered my opinion why I don't find it as attractive as a natural body shape (a healthy one). But it doesn't mean things like this should be deal breakers, ever. I mean, I dated a muscular guy and I didn't think he was ugly because of it.

And yes, I do agree you shouldn't do any of this because of the girls: a girl should like you the way you are. Just like I'd never advise a female friend to change her appearance to fit guys' ideas of an "ideal body", I don't think men should change themselves to fit female ideas of an "ideal body". But the OP formulated this thread in a way to make women speak about this, so that's why I responded in that matter. Sorry if I offended you, or any other guy here.

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17 Nov 2011, 1:49 pm

Ok, and now about the whole issue of the "hot" guys.

I'm one of the people who don't think women are naturally less shallow about partner's appearance or that girls don't care how a guy look or that women aren't visual beings. I do like male body. I can't help it, I think male body is beautiful. :oops:

However, I do prefer men who look more natural. Not sure how to explain this. I don't mind seeing photos of conventionally hot celebrities, but the physical features I pay attention to are often not what's emphasized in a hot celebrity. For example, I like nice hair. It's the first thing I notice on a man. And if a man is average looking but has beautiful hair, I'd consider him more attractive than a "hot" guy with muscles. It's very difficult to give celebrity examples because celebrities aren't ordinary people. For example, I find Dylan Moran attractive just because of his hair, and he's not a hot guy.

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17 Nov 2011, 2:18 pm

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The point is, be the body shape you want to be to make yourself happy. Your partner should love you for that and vice versa.

Agreed 100%.

I'm working to get a six right now but its more about self-cure for hiatal hernia and just wanting to make the gut go away. Seems like most people, outside of those with thyroid issues, can make it happen if they're willing to put a bit of calorie counting into their daily routine and just make sure that they stay between 1500 to 2100 calories or so; safer to lose it over a longer period of time anyway.

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17 Nov 2011, 2:29 pm

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I'm really interested in hearing women's views on the subject - how much or how little fat is optimal for a guy?

For me, it's attractive when a guy takes care of himself, but a turn-off when they are more concerned about their looks than I am. So, if you can strike a balance between staying in shape and obsessing about it, I think that's optimal.

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17 Nov 2011, 2:33 pm

blueroses wrote:

Grisha wrote:

I'm really interested in hearing women's views on the subject - how much or how little fat is optimal for a guy?

For me, it's attractive when a guy takes care of himself, but a turn-off when they are more concerned about their looks than I am. So, if you can strike a balance between staying in shape and obsessing about it, I think that's optimal.

Yes, blueroses has said it quite well.

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17 Nov 2011, 3:50 pm

eye candy is nice, but it's kind of boring if they're nothing deeper underneath.

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17 Nov 2011, 4:09 pm

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eye candy is nice, but it's kind of boring if they're nothing deeper underneath.

I have a friend who's a Bud Bundy Married With Children certifiable hornball. He went out with a langiere model on a date and still lost all interest, mainly on that ground.

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17 Nov 2011, 4:16 pm

techstepgenr8tion wrote:

emlion wrote:

eye candy is nice, but it's kind of boring if they're nothing deeper underneath.

I have a friend who's a Bud Bundy Married With Children certifiable hornball. He went out with a langiere model on a date and still lost all interest, mainly on that ground.

Yeah....but on the other hand, the more eye candy you are, the more the chance you are given to be looked deeper underneath.

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17 Nov 2011, 4:20 pm

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:

techstepgenr8tion wrote:

emlion wrote:

eye candy is nice, but it's kind of boring if they're nothing deeper underneath.

I have a friend who's a Bud Bundy Married With Children certifiable hornball. He went out with a langiere model on a date and still lost all interest, mainly on that ground.

Yeah....but on the other hand, the more eye candy you are, the more the chance you are given to be looked deeper underneath.

True.

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17 Nov 2011, 4:21 pm

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I've always assumed that women universally admire "6-pack" abs and it is a worthwhile goal for a guy to shoot for, and my bodyfat is pretty close to that goal.

Now I'm hearing from someone whose opinion means a lot to me that most women actually like a little bodyfat.

I'm really interested in hearing women's views on the subject - how much or how little fat is optimal for a guy?

I have pretty good abs and minimal body fat, and women who have seen or touched my stomach seem to have liked it a lot. One girl I went out with would lift my shirt up to show her friends, mostly as a joke (why do all women treat me like an object! D: ). I guess it depends on the woman?

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17 Nov 2011, 4:31 pm

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*pokes your belly and runs away*

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17 Nov 2011, 4:36 pm

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