Living as an adult male virgin, unable to cope

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01 Mar 2012, 7:20 am

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I lost about 50 pounds and quit smoking. I read some books about dating and tried to identify aspects of myself that turn women away. My problem as an aspie is that I absolutely CANNOT pick up on non verbal cues so when the chance is there, I never know. I can't even be around my friends anymore. All they ever talk about is this sort of stuff and how great their sex lives have been. I can't even stand to be around my father anymore because he's always wondering why I'm not with girls.


I have a friend who is quite charismatic, and has never had a problem getting girlfriends. Keeping them is a different matter, but he can certainly get them. The reason is, he does not wait for chances. He creates them. If he see's a woman he is interested in, he would rather speak to her than not. He will start the conversation with something inevitably witty and talk to her. He might be rejected and he might not, but the important thing is, he doesn't care when he is. Additionally, he talks to multiple women per day without the intention of picking them up, simply because he enjoys talking to them, as he enjoys talking to people in general. Despite this, I would not say he is good at reading non-verbal cues. He just doesn't particularly seem to care if the other person is engaged in what he is saying. That being said he does not make actual sexual advances on a woman unless he has verbally confirmed that it is ok with her.

He is the idiot savant of socializing and doesn't have the attention span to care when he is rejected.


Ok, so how this guy is even comparable with the OP?

Seriously, if I didn't know you here long enough i'd say you're trolling him.



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01 Mar 2012, 8:40 am

Chronos, I know the type you're talking about, I have several friends who are like that. There called the smug as*hole type.



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01 Mar 2012, 9:14 am

Hi Heisenberg,

I am the same age as you (male and turning 25 this year too).

I know exactly how you feel - and wanted to let you know that you are not alone.

Nice to meet you :)


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01 Mar 2012, 10:04 am

Thanks for being open about your situation skribble, it's always nice to know that we're not alone when it comes to struggling with issues.

I know there are a lot of people on this site from other countries and I have a question for those who do not live in the U.S. : Are there any cultures in the world where male virginity is not seen as a negative? Excluding religous subcultures.



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01 Mar 2012, 10:45 am

Heisenberg; on the bright side - if you get that awesome international job, do some globe trotting. Get a good camera, take a lot of neat pictures and upload them to photobucket and facebook. You'll essentially have some 'flare' for networking right off the top and lots of interesting things and places to tell people about. IMHO networking is the next best thing to land relationships because widening the net is directly antecedent to better odds. Even as aspies we can make up for lack of perfect BSing skills by doing enough things that other people would find interesting that the subject matter can just flow.


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01 Mar 2012, 3:58 pm

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
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I lost about 50 pounds and quit smoking. I read some books about dating and tried to identify aspects of myself that turn women away. My problem as an aspie is that I absolutely CANNOT pick up on non verbal cues so when the chance is there, I never know. I can't even be around my friends anymore. All they ever talk about is this sort of stuff and how great their sex lives have been. I can't even stand to be around my father anymore because he's always wondering why I'm not with girls.


I have a friend who is quite charismatic, and has never had a problem getting girlfriends. Keeping them is a different matter, but he can certainly get them. The reason is, he does not wait for chances. He creates them. If he see's a woman he is interested in, he would rather speak to her than not. He will start the conversation with something inevitably witty and talk to her. He might be rejected and he might not, but the important thing is, he doesn't care when he is. Additionally, he talks to multiple women per day without the intention of picking them up, simply because he enjoys talking to them, as he enjoys talking to people in general. Despite this, I would not say he is good at reading non-verbal cues. He just doesn't particularly seem to care if the other person is engaged in what he is saying. That being said he does not make actual sexual advances on a woman unless he has verbally confirmed that it is ok with her.

He is the idiot savant of socializing and doesn't have the attention span to care when he is rejected.


Ok, so how this guy is even comparable with the OP?

Seriously, if I didn't know you here long enough i'd say you're trolling him.


He's not comparable, and that is the point. If what you are doing isn't working, then do something that seems to be working for someone else. The OP likely needs to accustom himself to being at ease striking up conversations with women rather than his current approach of embarking on a long, suspenseful path of building courage to talk to a woman, hoping it will turn into a relationship, and feeling somewhat devastated when he gets turned down.



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01 Mar 2012, 4:01 pm

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I am a 24 year old male virgin going on 25. I have reached a point in my life where I am finally realizing that I will never have a wife, children, or any kind of family in general. I know that I am going to resent myself for wasting my youth as I get older and that this shame is only going to get worse. I have tried endlessly to make positive changes in my life to remedy this, but I cannot be intimate with a woman. My family does not understand why I am always so depressed and I have become so enraged with jealousy towards my friends that I can barely socialize with them anymore. I feel like I am in a no win situation and my life is just going to deteriorate from this point on. I have been considering pursuing a career in which I would get to travel to other countries but this shame is going to follow me wherever I go. Even if I did by some random miracle manage to be with a woman, it wouldn't change the fact that I have wasted the only youth I will ever have.


I know the feeling dude. It's a bad prospect to look at, but maybe you can enjoy life when you are older and do the things the people when they were younger could without fear of being "tied down".

Personally, I don't want to ever be tied down (I don't see myself as someone who would be). If I ever beat my social anxiety and dependency, then the first thing I will be doing is go onto many life experiences as possible. If my old friends get jealous as they got tied down, I'll just ignore them since they've not made an effort to help me.

Don't worry about the youth thing...I mean I know it's awful to think about...but I would rather think about what I COULD do once I break out of that vicious cycle.



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01 Mar 2012, 4:07 pm

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I have been on many dates within the past year and they led nowhere. My goal was always to build a relationship with a girl but that will not happen. What I can do is build my body to a point where there is no question about my attractive qualities. Memories are a very powerful thing and if I can just get on a good roll for a little while, I can live in peace and not be full of regret when I get old and see attractive women.

I would like to get rid of this stain on myself before I start a new life somewhere else though. As I said before, I am not a street savvy person and I can't afford prostitution through legitimate means. I've tried sleeping with women that I was not attracted to but I hated how I felt doing that and couldn't get aroused. Again, I think the best think I can do is accept the fact that my shame is only going to get better before it gets worse. It is going to take some time to change myself.

"Being yourself" is simply not good enough for attractive women who know they have the power to choose any mate they want.


There aren't attractive women who aren't all about having power to choose whatever 'mate' they want?...some of them might prefer you know finding someone they really have a connection with with. I mean if you're just going to try and look attractive but put no effort into a relationship. You'll end up with someone who cares more about having an attractive mate and probably what's in your wallet than you.

If that's what you want go for it I guess.


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01 Mar 2012, 6:06 pm

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Thanks for being open about your situation skribble, it's always nice to know that we're not alone when it comes to struggling with issues.

I know there are a lot of people on this site from other countries and I have a question for those who do not live in the U.S. : Are there any cultures in the world where male virginity is not seen as a negative? Excluding religous subcultures.


Ha, I really don't know about that one Heisenberg.
It's probably quite universal.


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01 Mar 2012, 6:36 pm

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Thanks for being open about your situation skribble, it's always nice to know that we're not alone when it comes to struggling with issues.

I know there are a lot of people on this site from other countries and I have a question for those who do not live in the U.S. : Are there any cultures in the world where male virginity is not seen as a negative? Excluding religous subcultures.



It's viewed negatively even here, but i don't think it's the case of the whole middle east.

and male promiscuity is boasted, even by their female relatives.



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01 Mar 2012, 11:03 pm

I have a friend who is happily married. He did not lose his virginity or even have a girlfriend until he was 28. He is not a mack. He was terrible at approaching women. Yet it happened.
There is hope for you, my friend.

I know of another man who did not have a committed relationship until he was in his 30's. Just because it hasn't happened yet does not mean that it will not happen.



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02 Mar 2012, 12:09 am

em_tsuj wrote:
I have a friend who is happily married. He did not lose his virginity or even have a girlfriend until he was 28. He is not a mack. He was terrible at approaching women. Yet it happened.
There is hope for you, my friend.

I know of another man who did not have a committed relationship until he was in his 30's. Just because it hasn't happened yet does not mean that it will not happen.


Thanks for your positivity :)


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03 Mar 2012, 9:05 pm

Nah, your problem isn't that you haven't had sex.

Its that you linked sex with women to your self-worth. Which isn't true, but you believe this on a very basic level.

I am 24, and a virgin, and I never kissed a girl. But I'm not afraid to admit that and deal with my problems for what they are, confidence and identity issues. You're already making it far more difficult than it has to be because you've made it so important to yourself.

Do you honestly think that anyone really cares? They don't have to walk in your shows. People hear about people dying everyday, they aren't going to care if you are a virgin. Everyone's on different levels, your expectation that you 'should' be something else and defining yourself by conquering a female is useless.

Discover true strength. I did, and I work hard everyday to improve myself and enjoy my life.

Don't let the perfect become the enemy of the good.



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03 Mar 2012, 9:55 pm

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Nah, your problem isn't that you haven't had sex.

Its that you linked sex with women to your self-worth. Which isn't true, but you believe this on a very basic level.

I am 24, and a virgin, and I never kissed a girl. But I'm not afraid to admit that and deal with my problems for what they are, confidence and identity issues. You're already making it far more difficult than it has to be because you've made it so important to yourself.

I'd have to go with your attitude on this one. He has to remember as well; the bar is 10x higher for aspies, it really is. I've seen plenty of really goofy NT's put a few weeks in on themselves and change their lives - heck, I *helped* half of them do that. The reason I can't do it myself? It really is a disability and its essentially like trying to overpower an outcast skin color, its not something we can reason with or merit our way out of; trying to do so is like beating slush with a sledge hammer.


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04 Mar 2012, 1:29 am

I don't know about others, but sex isn't anything special, and it's a very silly thing to use as a defining point (however, defining points that are obsessed over are usually just a fixture of a greater problem, like anxiety and/or depression; it'll change to something else once "that" is out of the way).



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05 Mar 2012, 8:27 pm

As a female of approx. the same age and in the same situation I have to say that all days are different sometimes you think there is a possibility to live normal as long as you observe enough interactions and try to mimic them to the best of your ability. Maybe it is slightly different for girls cause most guys don't have a problem putting out and I just haven't been physically or socially comfortable enough to go through with it. Don't push yourself past the point you are ready for because honestly you look back on it and go why the fxxx did I do that.

I think the best way to do it is try to get in new situations or just meet new people with friends you are comfortable with. I have been hit on multiple times and the only way I picked up on it was because it was so blatantly obvious that it embarrassed me. I even had the guy who happened to be my first kiss tell me I needed to smile more because then people would release that I would want to interact with them and be more attractive. :?:
Don't ask me I was kind of blank about it. If your friends consistently talk about it make a smart ass remark that lets them know they are being an ass and change the subject to sports or something. Often times if you make people think they are being to imposing and are acting like jerks, not funny jerks but rude jerks, then they often back of a little. But then again I have only really done this with family because I have difficulties getting and keeping friends. mostly because they put up with my weirdness for a while and I find out most of them have just been using me for a ride, money, my help with school work stuff, to watch their kids because lucky me, if I care about you I end up bending over backwards to help when ever I can and don't always get the same respect in return. well never