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08 May 2012, 4:39 pm

It seems that guys with no ego are not allowed to post because they are not smart enough?


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08 May 2012, 4:46 pm

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It could be read as her indicating her real personality under an attempted veil of humour


As I mentioned, that is exactly what this type of humour is all about - except the quality is exaggerated to some ridiculous degree. It is quite often an acknowledgement of some idiosyncracy. Same idea as self-effacing humour (which, often, it is).



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08 May 2012, 4:48 pm

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As I mentioned, that is exactly what this type of humour is all about - except the quality is exaggerated to some ridiculous degree. It is quite often an acknowledgement of some idiosyncracy.


I understand that, my point is that I wonder whether it's all that exaggerated. If it's not much of an exaggeration, it's not funny. Does this make sense?



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08 May 2012, 4:48 pm

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
DogsWithoutHorses wrote:
Silly ladies not being grateful enough for male attention.
Don't we know we should be as modest an non-threatening as possible.

This message was awesome!(and funny) I love how something that is clever or shows in any way you have a backbone on these sites immediately filters sexists/guys with fragile ego/not too bright guys out.

Seems like it works here too.


If Bloom was a male and the trolling-victim was a female, then I'd respond the same.

DogsWithoutHorses, take a deep breath and relax.

agreed.



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08 May 2012, 4:50 pm

Tequila wrote:
edgewaters wrote:
As I mentioned, that is exactly what this type of humour is all about - except the quality is exaggerated to some ridiculous degree. It is quite often an acknowledgement of some idiosyncracy.


I understand that, my point is that I wonder whether it's all that exaggerated. If it's not much of an exaggeration, it's not funny. Does this make sense?


Well ... funny is subjective, right? So are personal qualities and their relative degrees. Getting into some murky territory here.



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08 May 2012, 4:55 pm

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This is not a common type of humour in North America. It's more associated with British comedy. It relies on an exaggerated caricature of oneself or a facet of one's personality. Rowan Atkinson, for instance, employs this type of humour almost exclusively. As Mr. Bean he's awkward and bumbling to a ridiculous degree, as Blackadder he was arrogant, pompous, and opportunistic, again to the point of being ridiculous. This basically falls in the same vein.


HA! I loved Blackadder. I'm glad this is what you pulled out of the post, since this is pretty much the It of it. :P I've been reading a bit of Neil Gaiman and Terry Pratchett lately, and the ire in the comedy struck me. It's really too bad that Mr. Pratchett won't be writing much soon. :/ I'm currently on my third...? pull through of Good Omens, and it still make me roll. There are a couple of brilliant lines in the book that just are not ...American Friendly.

That said, the absolute absurdity of the writing just makes me squeal in delight. Pratchett has always been rather good at taking something in the real world and completely shoving it out a pie hole backward, yet keeping it real.

Not that I'm a Pratchett, mind. Ha! But who can tar and feather a writer for being an egomaniac whilst writing about vegetation being stuck in various orifices? It does make me wonder what people get up to in their private lives. But, then, that's none of my business, and might worry me more than I worry anyway. :P I feel for Agnes Nutter. :P

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Silly ladies not being grateful enough for male attention.

This message was awesome!(and funny) I love how something that is clever or shows in any way you have a backbone on these sites immediately filters sexists/guys with fragile ego/not too bright guys out.


Ha! Well said. :)

And thanks. :) You're right, too, you know... there's a type of evil "catch" on these dating sights; you have to upload photos for people to look at your profile (typically), but then you don't want to be judged/talked to based purely on your looks. How else is there to engage with someone, if not by actively engaging them in well thought out conversation? I can't tell you how many messages I get that say, "Hi hru?" Or sommat similar. Certainly if I can discourage someone from messaging me who can't be bothered to write "How are you?" Instead of "HRU", I think I should - at least for me. :) I understand there are some that are keen on these types of ...conversations.

I do tire, however, of the persistent, and chronic berating and dys-supportive attitudes I've seen on WrongPlanet. I came here, and registered because I wanted to reach out and find others like me - to not feel alone, different, or outcasted. It seems there are people - even those in authority - that are more focused on discovering the negative, and pointing out all the ways in which we're different, than ever spending time to find common ground, and positives despite our differences. This is what happens out in the real wold... people look for negative markers to differentiate, and draw lines.

I have been sent the direct message from a select few that this just isn't the place for me, or anyone that wants to be a part of something greater than the sum of its parts.

That isn't to say I haven't met some excellent people here... and I appreciate the posts on here that took the post just for what it was; a humourous bit of banter; a writing sample, no less.

Take care everyone.



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08 May 2012, 4:56 pm

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and I wonder what he meant by 'what's rupert's number?" .....does that mean he realized that he'd prefer to date him instead of her?


I think it was in reply to this:

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If, at the end, you find my terms a bit demanding, or even finicky, let me know. I could always introduce you to Rupert.



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08 May 2012, 5:09 pm

I got it, Bloom, but consider where you are before leaping to conclusions about why people reacted. You're using a highly sophisticated, semi-serious humour that's delivered deadpan and is intentionally difficult to sort out from its own kernel truth - a kind of humour many people in the general population cannot grasp. On a forum populated by a group, some of whom have exceptional difficulties with just regular sarcasm and irony through no fault of their own.

Now let's everyone all just holster our weapons, shall we?



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08 May 2012, 5:10 pm

edgewaters wrote:
I got it, Bloom, but consider where you are before leaping to conclusions about why people reacted. You're using a highly sophisticated, semi-serious humour that's delivered deadpan and is intentionally difficult to sort out from its own kernel truth - a kind of humour many people in the general population cannot grasp.


It's not so much that I have a problem with - it's the fact that it's difficult to tell whether she is being serious or not - i.e. she actually is like this in real life but trying to mask it with humour.



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08 May 2012, 5:12 pm

I found the message hilarious Bloom :lol: but sure wouldn't have liked to have been the guy that received it.
All that because his ego wasn't big enough to surprise you with a date? I know it was meant as a joke, but was that the real reason you sent that to him?



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08 May 2012, 5:27 pm

Tequila wrote:
It's not so much that I have a problem with - it's the fact that it's difficult to tell whether she is being serious or not - i.e. she actually is like this in real life but trying to mask it with humour.


To even DO that kind of humour, you can't take yourself too seriously. Nobody who does it is excessively whatever they're portraying because they have to recognize that in themselves in the first place, and once you recognize something about yourself - and see yourself as flawed - it's mitigated. I've used this kind of humour to work through personal flaws, like excessive pride, jealousy, etc

You take the quality, you exaggerate it, you express it in a harmless way, you make it into something absurd and then you have fun with it, basically have a good laugh at yourself. It is, in fact, one of the least egotistical and most honest forms of humour possible.

I can appreciate not getting it, because it's not for everyone. But you shouldn't jump to conclusions (and neither should Bloom about why you don't get it). If you don't get it, just suspend judgement, forget about it.



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08 May 2012, 5:28 pm

Christ almighty people, cut the girl some slack. It's not like 90% of us would have done better.

Oh, and Bloom, while I do agree that there is a lot of negativity on WP and that it can get tiring at times, I still hope you re-consider leaving, because TBH you sound like an interesting person and I honestly think WP is that much the better for having you.

Haters gonna hate, but don't let it stop you. I for one found it hilarious and entertaining. Yes, it may be a bit off-putting for someone you've met on an online dating service, but I'll be frank - if they can't handle that it's not gonna work out in the long run.

As for the REST of you, stand down and chill for a bit. I can understand that it's difficult to tell between a misunderstanding and actual trolling over the internet even for those who have halfway decent social skills. I also know that most of us tend to take things personally even if it wasn't intended as personal offense, simply because we've come to expect that from the lesser elements of society. But there is no need to start a flame war over this, I personally think it was quite an entertaining and hilarious read until SOME PEOPLE came and crashed the party. Try to think positive. Hell, it might even help you find that life partner you're searching for.


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08 May 2012, 5:31 pm

Bloom,

Having been through online dating myself at one point, so I can totally relate, I thought that entire thing was an awesome social commentry that you could only get from an very honest, direct and humorous aspie point of view. You had pissing myself laughing for good 15 minutes over that.

It's interesting to me that your message was taken so badly from some of the members on here (clearly I AM insane :mrgreen:), all it would have made me do was set up an actual date with you (if I was a boy, that is).

Actually, mind if I pass it on to some friends of mine?


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08 May 2012, 5:34 pm

You can moderate offensive writing but you can't moderate how someone feels about something (note that thinking is not the same as feeling).
Telling people they were wrong to be offended and limiting them to an opinion of praise is well....yeah 8O though I have to agree the usual men / women bashers came in and ruined it.

EDIT: Bloom, I hope you reconsider leaving. Quite frankly those that were opportunistic to fortify their agenda of all women being evil curs and women waiting for these guys to post in order to immortalize them as misogynistic demons do not represent everyone in this section, or the boards. You are always going to get people hating, and if you were to leave a board because of such criticism quite frankly you'd have nowhere to post. People aren't perfect, and don't always respond how we'd like (nor is it their obligation). You're a funny and interesting character, so please don't let this one thread put you off okay :)

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08 May 2012, 10:29 pm

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Wow... this post when somewhere dark and cold. I'm going to have to remember this... I appreciate everyone's response - no matter how judgemental. It's good insight into who I've been chatting with on this site, and some of the PMs I've gotten. It's unfortunate that the same people seem to just want to continue to pull others apart... But, hey, maybe I deserve some of the comments here, eh? I am, after all, a horrible person that's constantly attacking people and demonstrating my sizable ego. I deserve the be shot down and judged.

For those of you that actually got the humour, *hugs* :D The chap that I wrote and I have had a great time writing each other back and forth. This post actually followed up one of his funnier "this is how we met" posts. Actually, his initiating message had me in tears. He may not be a writer, but his sense of humour is astoundingly sharp. Depending on how the next couple of messages go, I just might take his offer up.

In any event, I posted this because I enjoy writing - it's how I express myself. So thank you to the people that just appreciated it as a funny bit a writing. :)


For what it's worth, I found the message to be humorous.. No one has really ever taken the time to write me anything even remotely similar in the 6 months I've been on that website.. let alone one as amusing or diverting as that..



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08 May 2012, 11:28 pm

MXH wrote:
spongy wrote:
MXH wrote:
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ok so the message is facetious? or serious? i can't sort through the layers of meaning. i feel bit like there was a joke i didn't get, or maybe i missed the point of the thread? Bloom did you want feedback or did you want people offering their own responses? i think i misunderstood. oh, and if you feel attacked you may want to contact another mod as i am participating in this thread as a member.


she just wanted to throw it out there and make it seen by more than one pair of eyes. I decided to add my opinion on it. Its not any more of an attack as what she has insinuated about multiple members in her reply.

Anyone that feels attacked by her post is more than free to contact any moderator.
However this members may want to think about the way they approach people since all she did was address their comments about her personality(btw I didnt know that some of you guys could tell someones character out of a short message,Im truly impressed by your abilities :P)
Nobody here talked about her character. We all did agree that without knowing the context its something that can be taken very negatively.

"I dont know you enough to say that you are full of yourself or have a needy ego or whatnot, but likely neither does that guy and now he likely thinks you are that way."
Taking the I dont know you enough formality, being full of herself/needy/pretentious are judgements of character as far as I know.
Feel free to correct me though

"yea it does make her sound very full of herself. I wrote "a bit" to try and not sound insulting, because im trying hard to word this without coming that way. "
Good to see you automatically assume the worst out of what someone says to twist when they are explaining and point out that they arent trying to insult but just showing what it comes off as. Hell, you even got it from the same f***ing post. Figure out a simpler way of saying "your message makes you sound full of yourself and would make a normal guy walk away" which is what weve all said. We never said she was full of herself, we said her message made her sound that way. Thats a very big difference if you ask me. But in the eyes of someone trying to judge its "just a formality"

You want to hear what a formality is? Heres one, with all due respect you sound like someone trying too hard to be a smartass

Heres the thing when you have to try to avoid sounding insulting chances are that what you are going to say is indeed insulting and you are just trying to sweeten things up.
Assuming the worst would mean that I read into your post a lot. I didnt read into your post I quoted the parts where you were judging her character which you were denying to do.

As for the last part I refuse to get involved into personal attacks nonsense and if someone else sees your post and decides to do something about it its up to them.