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11 May 2012, 1:45 am

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if you drink alcohol at all, then you are consuming sugar.

i know how to eat healthy, so i was not seeking any information about diet (sometimes i choose to eat well and sometimes not). i lost 90 lb, so i am fully aware of how to eat nutritiously and in smaller portion sizes.

did you assume i would not know about healthy eating because i am fat? we already covered the fact i get a lot of exercise, and now you know that i am fully aware of a healthy diet too.


As I have said, I don't consume sugar on any regular basis or caffeine since it doesn't have a positive effect on me. I consumed alcohol about 2 or 3 times last year and it was a small amount.

I'm not assuming that you don't know about healthy or unhealthy diets, what I am claiming is that those are wrong eating habits and some people aren't aware the amount of fat content they are consuming. Some of those habits are picked up through lack of discipline and some of them are picked up through childhood.

Also define exercise, are we talking about doing 90 minutes a day of various high intensity training routines such as uphill sprinting, martial arts drill, bodyweight drills, explosive lifting, core training and yoga or going for a low intensity swim or run a few times a week? Because I would be hard pressed to believe you are doing 90 minutes a day of high intensity training.

you would be hard pressed to believe that.... why?

well, my favourite exercise used to be climbing stairs. i did 60 flights a day in a mixture of running and walking for several months. now i have knee arthritis so i stick to dancing. are you seriously unaware of how hardcore dancing is?


I really don't consider that to be intense and if anything, it sounded somewhat dangerous? The added weight on your knees and joints could have caused that, did you stretch, condition your legs and knees, warm up whilst doing this?

I would be hard pressed to believe it because anyone doing that form of training with disciplined diet would have a defined core and a lower body fat ratio.



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11 May 2012, 1:48 am

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if you drink alcohol at all, then you are consuming sugar.

i know how to eat healthy, so i was not seeking any information about diet (sometimes i choose to eat well and sometimes not). i lost 90 lb, so i am fully aware of how to eat nutritiously and in smaller portion sizes.

did you assume i would not know about healthy eating because i am fat? we already covered the fact i get a lot of exercise, and now you know that i am fully aware of a healthy diet too.


As I have said, I don't consume sugar on any regular basis or caffeine since it doesn't have a positive effect on me. I consumed alcohol about 2 or 3 times last year and it was a small amount.

I'm not assuming that you don't know about healthy or unhealthy diets, what I am claiming is that those are wrong eating habits and some people aren't aware the amount of fat content they are consuming. Some of those habits are picked up through lack of discipline and some of them are picked up through childhood.

Also define exercise, are we talking about doing 90 minutes a day of various high intensity training routines such as uphill sprinting, martial arts drill, bodyweight drills, explosive lifting, core training and yoga or going for a low intensity swim or run a few times a week? Because I would be hard pressed to believe you are doing 90 minutes a day of high intensity training.

you would be hard pressed to believe that.... why?

well, my favourite exercise used to be climbing stairs. i did 60 flights a day in a mixture of running and walking for several months. now i have knee arthritis so i stick to dancing. are you seriously unaware of how hardcore dancing is?


I really don't consider that to be intense and if anything, it sounded somewhat dangerous? The added weight on your knees and joints could have caused that, did you stretch, condition your legs and knees, warm up whilst doing this?

I would be hard pressed to believe it because anyone doing that form of training with disciplined diet would have a defined core and a lower body fat ratio.

dangerous? not if you do it properly, by using your muscles and not hanging on your tendons. stairs are highly recommended as an aerobic exercise, and i'd still be doing it if i didn't have arthritis. why don't you go and try running/walking 60 flights and tell me if it is "not intense" :lol:

i think you don't really understand that a person can be fit and still fat, so you are drawing some kind of assumption based on your own limited understanding of what exactly comprises "healthy".


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11 May 2012, 1:50 am

also.... i do not think the NHS is recommending that people should do 90 minutes of high intensity exercise every day. last i checked that is about triple the recommendation. so i am not sure why you think people should do that.


EDIT: i should note that i don't eat a low calorie diet now (though i tend to eat healthy foods), because i am happy with my weight the way it is. i like being this size as i am healthy and fit and i feel good about myself.


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11 May 2012, 2:04 am

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also.... i do not think the NHS is recommending that people should do 90 minutes of high intensity exercise every day. last i checked that is about triple the recommendation. so i am not sure why you think people should do that.


The NHS isn't recommending that to anyone, I said that the NHS is recommending yoga for people with back problems. By no means should someone do 90 minutes of that per day if it has not been recommended by the doctor or haven't achieved a good level of fitness first.

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i think you don't really understand that a person can be fit and still fat, so you are drawing some kind of assumption based on your own limited understanding of what exactly comprises "healthy".


Yes, I didn't mean that stairs workouts were not efficient for people but I meant without conditioning your knees, maybe the extra weight you had at the time caused them to injure. I'm just wondering if you warmed up or did some form of stretching or yoga with it or prior to it.

A more advanced form of fitness would be to do a lower body workout on stairs as stated in the below article.
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/givstrength1.htm

I don't think fat by any means is healthy, I don't think it's a healthy image and I'm pretty sure the scientific article I provided shows that it isn't.

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Excess bodyweight is the sixth most important risk factor contributing to the overall burden of disease worldwide. 1·1 billion adults and 10% of children are now classified as overweight or obese. Average life expectancy is already diminished; the main adverse consequences are cardiovascular disease, type 2 diabetes, and several cancers.



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11 May 2012, 2:09 am

no, i didn't injure my knees. i had arthritis in my knee before that and decided to ignore it, but eventually had to give up my stairs. it's ok because i have dancing now. you should try it for a real workout.

a fat person can be healthy - it doesn't automatically follow that fat people are unhealthy. there are some risk factors but risk factors are not the same as a person's actual health history.

i am happy the way i am, and i would encourage everyone to feel the same way about themselves. if a person loves themselves the way they are, they will treat themselves better and weight loss is paradoxically easier (if that is what they want).


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11 May 2012, 2:12 am

here is a study that talks about obesity and health.

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In 2001, Brochu and colleagues tested 43 obese, sedentary and post-menopausal women and found that 17 of them qualified as metabolically healthy.


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There's no universal definition of metabolic health in obese people, but researchers estimate that between 25 percent and 30 percent of the obese have normal metabolic profiles.


http://www.livescience.com/10777-obese- ... ience.html


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11 May 2012, 2:25 am

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no, i didn't injure my knees. i had arthritis in my knee before that and decided to ignore it, but eventually had to give up my stairs. it's ok because i have dancing now. you should try it for a real workout.

a fat person can be healthy - it doesn't automatically follow that fat people are unhealthy. there are some risk factors but risk factors are not the same as a person's actual health history.

i am happy the way i am, and i would encourage everyone to feel the same way about themselves. if a person loves themselves the way they are, they will treat themselves better and weight loss is paradoxically easier (if that is what they want).


There are professional dancers with low body fat ratios that also participate in high intensity training, yoga, drills, core training, of course dancers use additional training to get a lower body fat ratio. I've seen people go from fat to having a six pack through high intensity training and it can be done in 14-31 weeks, most of it is down to hard work and discipline.



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11 May 2012, 2:28 am

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no, i didn't injure my knees. i had arthritis in my knee before that and decided to ignore it, but eventually had to give up my stairs. it's ok because i have dancing now. you should try it for a real workout.

a fat person can be healthy - it doesn't automatically follow that fat people are unhealthy. there are some risk factors but risk factors are not the same as a person's actual health history.

i am happy the way i am, and i would encourage everyone to feel the same way about themselves. if a person loves themselves the way they are, they will treat themselves better and weight loss is paradoxically easier (if that is what they want).


There are professional dancers with low body fat ratios that also participate in high intensity training, yoga, drills, core training, of course dancers use additional training to get a lower body fat ratio. I've seen people go from fat to having a six pack through high intensity training and I've it can be done in 14-31 weeks, most of it is down to hard work and discipline.

some dancers just... dance. it keeps them fit. it's not necessary to have 6 packs and things though - they are not useful in the real world.


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11 May 2012, 2:34 am

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some dancers just... dance. it keeps them fit. it's not necessary to have 6 packs and things though - they are not useful in the real world.


That's probably the most uninformative statement I've read.

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Core Training can be any exercise that is focused on improving strength and stability in the torso or trunk. It is important because this is where all of our movements originated. The "Core" is like the solid base or foundation on which we can move more efficiently and with less risk for injury if we have conditioned it properly.

Benefits of Core Training:

· Helps to prevent injuries. A strong, stable core can help to prevent injuries because with stronger muscles supporting the spine, pelvis, and shoulder joints it can better handle the forces of rotation and compression that lead to back and joint injuries.

The body's joints are like links in a chain and are surrounded and supported by muscles and tendons. If any of these supporting structures are weak others are called upon to compensate for this weakness. Because they were not designed for this purpose they can become injured over time by the repetitive wear and tear.

For example, if I was hitting a golf ball and my low back was weak and inflexible I would probably overcompensate by muscling through the shot with my shoulders. Because the shoulder joint is not designed for such a forceful swing, over time I may injure the muscles, tendons, and /or ligaments supporting the shoulder joint.

· Helps to improve bowel function and reduces incontinence. Once again the pelvic floor muscles are part of the core. These muscles help to eliminate waste products from our bodies through contractions. If these muscles are weak or deconditioned they cannot contract properly which may lead to incontinence or improper bowel functioning.

· Reduces risk for low-back pain and injury. Core exercises are designed to stretch and strengthen the muscles, tendons, and ligaments that support and protect the spine.

Most low back pain is caused by bad posture, excessive body weight, physical inactivity, and faulty body mechanics. All the gravitational forces from sitting, walking, running impact the low-back area and if it is not supported properly the spine will suffer.

· Improves posture making the stomach look flatter. The protruding "pooch" people seem to obtain around middle age is usually caused by weak abdominal muscles, specifically the transverse abdominal muscles that are located deeply in the lower abdomen. The weakness in these abdominal muscles also contributes to the "slouched" posture and "hunchback" look.


I think that states the benefits of core training and how important and vital it is, most of your body's power comes from your hips, and along with your core. For instance, a baseball pitcher will generate most power behind a throw in the legs and the core. There are many benefits from training the core and core training will also develop a defined six pack, training the core simply isn't about having an aesthetic looking six pack.



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11 May 2012, 2:39 am

no.... most people do not need a 6 pack in their lives. people can do core training without developing a 6 pack. it is good to be strong, but a 6 pack goes over the top.


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11 May 2012, 2:52 am

I would not dump someone who has put on weight. This coming from a person who has gained 50lbs over the past 17 years. I am just under 5 feet tall and am considered obese by medical standards. Although I am constantly told by the opposite sex that I look great.(I'm in your boat Hyperlexian, got a lotta ass!) I have been in a relationship for 17 years and weight has never been an issue. I think that's great! I don't think that being married to someone should be a factor. Married or not I wouldn't do it. I guess only marriage is for better or for worse. Dating is for better or I'm leaving if it's worse.
Maybe I feel this way because when I fall in love it's with the person and that's what makes them attractive? What if the person became disfigured in some freak accident? "Sorry, don't wanna be seen with Freddy Kruegers twin".



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I would not dump someone who has put on weight. This coming from a person who has gained 50lbs over the past 17 years. I am just under 5 feet tall and am considered obese by medical standards. Although I am constantly told by the opposite sex that I look great.(I'm in your boat Hyperlexian, got a lotta ass!) I have been in a relationship for 17 years and weight has never been an issue. I think that's great! I don't think that being married to someone should be a factor. Married or not I wouldn't do it. I guess only marriage is for better or for worse. Dating is for better or I'm leaving if it's worse.
Maybe I feel this way because when I fall in love it's with the person and that's what makes them attractive? What if the person became disfigured in some freak accident? "Sorry, don't wanna be seen with Freddy Kruegers twin".

high five on the "lotta ass"! !!

and i completely agree with what you have said.


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11 May 2012, 3:00 am

"I'm sexy and I know it" :D



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11 May 2012, 3:07 am

They'd be kind of hard to dump. If they got fat enough they wouldn't fit in the trash can. And you can just forget about flushing them down the toilet...


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11 May 2012, 3:23 am

No because I am very loyal, caring & supportive of my partner. I'd stand by her & help her however I could. Besides my weight has fluctuated some in the past & I'm currently on disability thou I do want to work so it would be extremely hypocritical of me to break up with her for things like that


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11 May 2012, 4:07 am

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no.... most people do not need a 6 pack in their lives. people can do core training without developing a 6 pack. it is good to be strong, but a 6 pack goes over the top.


A strengthened core could also prevent an injury in the real world if you have a physically demanding job. I know I've done various bricklaying and landscaping jobs where I'd dig all day or carry large amounts of bricks or materials and having a good core and flexibility definitely helped.