Virginity
Shatbat wrote:
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Ideally I agree with you. But you are dealing with a bunch of men who are lonely, desperate, discouraged, and tormented. We are social ret*ds and women know this so they leave us alone and judge us. We see that and have low self esteem
That statement made me cringe. Literally. And I read it again and it made me cringe again. It struck a chord in me, because I've been through that, probably not as severe, but that year in Germany made me feel like that, with decreased contact with my closest of friends and stuff. And that's a very rough spot to be in. Something I really want to say though is, we are not set in stone. We are capable of change, even our core beliefs are subject to change, and note how lonely, desperate, discouraged and tormented are emotional states, instead of personality traits. Even if you feel like that all the time, it doesn't mean you ARE that. And something else... if you think so lowly of yourself, why would anybody else, woman or otherwise, think any better?
To bitter aspies in general... maybe you'll hate me or something, but I must still say it; before trying to make other people like you, start liking yourself. Two years ago I asked myself the question, "why would a woman want to be with me", and didn't came up with many, And it sucked. But I did realize there were some good things about me. And this should be the first step, you guys should all try to see what's positive about yourselves. You're not lost. But before I start going on too deeply... are those unsatisfied with their success with women also unsatisfied with their life in general?
There is something I feel I must say,
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hyperlexian wrote:
Shatbat wrote:
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Ideally I agree with you. But you are dealing with a bunch of men who are lonely, desperate, discouraged, and tormented. We are social ret*ds and women know this so they leave us alone and judge us. We see that and have low self esteem
That statement made me cringe. Literally. And I read it again and it made me cringe again. It struck a chord in me, because I've been through that, probably not as severe, but that year in Germany made me feel like that, with decreased contact with my closest of friends and stuff. And that's a very rough spot to be in. Something I really want to say though is, we are not set in stone. We are capable of change, even our core beliefs are subject to change, and note how lonely, desperate, discouraged and tormented are emotional states, instead of personality traits. Even if you feel like that all the time, it doesn't mean you ARE that. And something else... if you think so lowly of yourself, why would anybody else, woman or otherwise, think any better?
To bitter aspies in general... maybe you'll hate me or something, but I must still say it; before trying to make other people like you, start liking yourself. Two years ago I asked myself the question, "why would a woman want to be with me", and didn't came up with many, And it sucked. But I did realize there were some good things about me. And this should be the first step, you guys should all try to see what's positive about yourselves. You're not lost. But before I start going on too deeply... are those unsatisfied with their success with women also unsatisfied with their life in general?
There is something I feel I must say,
+1
+2
bizboy1 wrote:
BrenJB wrote:
DoniiMann wrote:
I was just shy of 32 years when I kissed that affliction goodbye. Believe me, the fear is worse than the reality. You learn quickly if you're willing. And if the person is as nice as you'd want a long term partner to be, they'll be patient. Be willing to please your partner, and it will work out fine. Everyone on the planet was a newbie at the beginning. If it mattered a lot, we'd be a lot less over-populated than we are.
I agree completely! I personally don't ever want a guy that has paid for sex! Also, I don't want a guy with a lot of experience...I'd like to think I was special enough that we waited for each other.

Ideally I agree with you. But you are dealing with a bunch of men who are lonely, desperate, discouraged, and tormented. We are social ret*ds and women know this so they leave us alone and judge us. We see that and have low self esteem. I imagine sex with a woman to be one of the greatest things a man can do. Since most of us are virgins we crave it. In fact most men I know crave it and accomplish it without any problems. Sex with a prostitute doesn't even enter their minds. I've seen men who I thought were ugly or nerds get more women over me. Its because they are aggressive assertive and have high confidence. I have non of that. So ya ideally I don't want to pay for sex because its disgusting and degrading but no one else will give me a chance. We aren't horrible people.
This makes me so SAD!! ! I have only had two boyfriends. My first boyfriend repulsed all the girls in school because he was a complete nerd, had to be the class clown and was the biggest pimple face in school. I sat next to him in English class and as the semester went on I thought he was funny and sweet and he was really smart which I appreciate! So, I basically asked him out. We dated for 15 months and what ended it was the fact that his ego grew to enormous proportions.
My second bf is my current bf and he is an Aspie and is why I am here. Again, he had known of me for a while but it wasn't until I contacted him that we started "talking" and then dating...8 months now. I am not a slut at all. My first bf had to wait 4 months for a peck. Current had to wait two months for a peck.
I say try dating sites. You will meet someone and they are basically handed to you on a platter with similar interest. Fact is, most of us just want someone who will love and appreciate us and yes, there are a few really shallow women but I, as well as others, tend to be able to see great features and qualities in almost everyone. If they are showing any interest ask them for a coffee date. You may just be missing your chances because of lack of social cues. Heck, if you are hanging out with a girl you like...maybe even jokingly say, "yeah, I just can never tell when a girl likes me so I always miss out." You may just be presently surprised with her response!

Also, most girls do NOT mind that you haven't had experience!
I don't have the answers but I just hate to think something as beautiful as making love for the first time would be wasted on a hooker. Even if you are both virgins and it's awkward at least you have something to share and remember fondly and someone to practice and get better with and ...to love.

AScomposer13413 wrote:
hyperlexian wrote:
Shatbat wrote:
Quote:
Ideally I agree with you. But you are dealing with a bunch of men who are lonely, desperate, discouraged, and tormented. We are social ret*ds and women know this so they leave us alone and judge us. We see that and have low self esteem
That statement made me cringe. Literally. And I read it again and it made me cringe again. It struck a chord in me, because I've been through that, probably not as severe, but that year in Germany made me feel like that, with decreased contact with my closest of friends and stuff. And that's a very rough spot to be in. Something I really want to say though is, we are not set in stone. We are capable of change, even our core beliefs are subject to change, and note how lonely, desperate, discouraged and tormented are emotional states, instead of personality traits. Even if you feel like that all the time, it doesn't mean you ARE that. And something else... if you think so lowly of yourself, why would anybody else, woman or otherwise, think any better?
To bitter aspies in general... maybe you'll hate me or something, but I must still say it; before trying to make other people like you, start liking yourself. Two years ago I asked myself the question, "why would a woman want to be with me", and didn't came up with many, And it sucked. But I did realize there were some good things about me. And this should be the first step, you guys should all try to see what's positive about yourselves. You're not lost. But before I start going on too deeply... are those unsatisfied with their success with women also unsatisfied with their life in general?
There is something I feel I must say,
+1
+2
+3!! ! There is another thread asking WHAT WOMEN REALLY WANT. My answer was, "To be loved by someone who is able to be loved"
You just stated that perfectly! If a man is not feeling worthy of love then he isn't ready to give or receive...he must first love himself. I have found appealing features in almost every man who has a good heart and is generally happy. You can give me a muscled out hunk and if he has an ego or isn't ready to be with one woman or just doesn't have a clue about life and love...I find him unattractive. Give me the pimple faced nerd that is happy and faithful and a heart ready to give and receive love and I will look past the pimples and see his beautiful smile or his eyes or his witty humor and I will take him.
It saddens me what most men think women want and it makes me mad at the skanks that encourage that perception.
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Funny, ive personally gone backwards of that. From thinking i was ok to great to seeing slowly the lack of respect people had for me and then seeing how i was pretty worthless in general.
brenjb, The thing is many men here fall into what you consider attractive and have spent many years and some decades being ignored for the muscled ego guy. And if it was just once or twice we wouldnt notice it, but time and time and time again theres but one conclusion to draw. That so many of us fall to the same conclusion by ourselves just means it has to have a degree of truth out there.
MXH wrote:
Funny, ive personally gone backwards of that. From thinking i was ok to great to seeing slowly the lack of respect people had for me and then seeing how i was pretty worthless in general.
brenjb, The thing is many men here fall into what you consider attractive and have spent many years and some decades being ignored for the muscled ego guy. And if it was just once or twice we wouldnt notice it, but time and time and time again theres but one conclusion to draw. That so many of us fall to the same conclusion by ourselves just means it has to have a degree of truth out there.
brenjb, The thing is many men here fall into what you consider attractive and have spent many years and some decades being ignored for the muscled ego guy. And if it was just once or twice we wouldnt notice it, but time and time and time again theres but one conclusion to draw. That so many of us fall to the same conclusion by ourselves just means it has to have a degree of truth out there.
Well, that's really sad. I think it's more that society (movies, TV and media) make women think that's what they SHOULD want and it makes men feel like that's what women want so they give up. I personally want a man with some substance because one day we are both going to be old and ugly and have to talk to each other when the sex is maybe not as desirable. lol For me, for a man to be attractive it takes a lot more than muscle and conventional "good looks". That's why I recommend dating sites because then you know they have similar interest and they are looking for someone just as you are.

BrenJB wrote:
bizboy1 wrote:
BrenJB wrote:
DoniiMann wrote:
I was just shy of 32 years when I kissed that affliction goodbye. Believe me, the fear is worse than the reality. You learn quickly if you're willing. And if the person is as nice as you'd want a long term partner to be, they'll be patient. Be willing to please your partner, and it will work out fine. Everyone on the planet was a newbie at the beginning. If it mattered a lot, we'd be a lot less over-populated than we are.
I agree completely! I personally don't ever want a guy that has paid for sex! Also, I don't want a guy with a lot of experience...I'd like to think I was special enough that we waited for each other.

Ideally I agree with you. But you are dealing with a bunch of men who are lonely, desperate, discouraged, and tormented. We are social ret*ds and women know this so they leave us alone and judge us. We see that and have low self esteem. I imagine sex with a woman to be one of the greatest things a man can do. Since most of us are virgins we crave it. In fact most men I know crave it and accomplish it without any problems. Sex with a prostitute doesn't even enter their minds. I've seen men who I thought were ugly or nerds get more women over me. Its because they are aggressive assertive and have high confidence. I have non of that. So ya ideally I don't want to pay for sex because its disgusting and degrading but no one else will give me a chance. We aren't horrible people.
This makes me so SAD!! ! I have only had two boyfriends. My first boyfriend repulsed all the girls in school because he was a complete nerd, had to be the class clown and was the biggest pimple face in school. I sat next to him in English class and as the semester went on I thought he was funny and sweet and he was really smart which I appreciate! So, I basically asked him out. We dated for 15 months and what ended it was the fact that his ego grew to enormous proportions.
My second bf is my current bf and he is an Aspie and is why I am here. Again, he had known of me for a while but it wasn't until I contacted him that we started "talking" and then dating...8 months now. I am not a slut at all. My first bf had to wait 4 months for a peck. Current had to wait two months for a peck.
I say try dating sites. You will meet someone and they are basically handed to you on a platter with similar interest. Fact is, most of us just want someone who will love and appreciate us and yes, there are a few really shallow women but I, as well as others, tend to be able to see great features and qualities in almost everyone. If they are showing any interest ask them for a coffee date. You may just be missing your chances because of lack of social cues. Heck, if you are hanging out with a girl you like...maybe even jokingly say, "yeah, I just can never tell when a girl likes me so I always miss out." You may just be presently surprised with her response!

Also, most girls do NOT mind that you haven't had experience!
I don't have the answers but I just hate to think something as beautiful as making love for the first time would be wasted on a hooker. Even if you are both virgins and it's awkward at least you have something to share and remember fondly and someone to practice and get better with and ...to love.

Great post. I liked it.
MXH wrote:
Funny, ive personally gone backwards of that. From thinking i was ok to great to seeing slowly the lack of respect people had for me and then seeing how i was pretty worthless in general.
brenjb, The thing is many men here fall into what you consider attractive and have spent many years and some decades being ignored for the muscled ego guy. And if it was just once or twice we wouldnt notice it, but time and time and time again theres but one conclusion to draw. That so many of us fall to the same conclusion by ourselves just means it has to have a degree of truth out there.
brenjb, The thing is many men here fall into what you consider attractive and have spent many years and some decades being ignored for the muscled ego guy. And if it was just once or twice we wouldnt notice it, but time and time and time again theres but one conclusion to draw. That so many of us fall to the same conclusion by ourselves just means it has to have a degree of truth out there.
Great post. I'be been skinny , buff and now fat. I don't think it's the muscles. I think its the confidence and aggressiveness which I lack. I never asked a girl out and never told anyone I like them. Personally I'm not ready for a relationship because I gave issues. Sex would be great though.
bizboy1 wrote:
BrenJB wrote:
bizboy1 wrote:
BrenJB wrote:
DoniiMann wrote:
I was just shy of 32 years when I kissed that affliction goodbye. Believe me, the fear is worse than the reality. You learn quickly if you're willing. And if the person is as nice as you'd want a long term partner to be, they'll be patient. Be willing to please your partner, and it will work out fine. Everyone on the planet was a newbie at the beginning. If it mattered a lot, we'd be a lot less over-populated than we are.
I agree completely! I personally don't ever want a guy that has paid for sex! Also, I don't want a guy with a lot of experience...I'd like to think I was special enough that we waited for each other.

Ideally I agree with you. But you are dealing with a bunch of men who are lonely, desperate, discouraged, and tormented. We are social ret*ds and women know this so they leave us alone and judge us. We see that and have low self esteem. I imagine sex with a woman to be one of the greatest things a man can do. Since most of us are virgins we crave it. In fact most men I know crave it and accomplish it without any problems. Sex with a prostitute doesn't even enter their minds. I've seen men who I thought were ugly or nerds get more women over me. Its because they are aggressive assertive and have high confidence. I have non of that. So ya ideally I don't want to pay for sex because its disgusting and degrading but no one else will give me a chance. We aren't horrible people.
This makes me so SAD!! ! I have only had two boyfriends. My first boyfriend repulsed all the girls in school because he was a complete nerd, had to be the class clown and was the biggest pimple face in school. I sat next to him in English class and as the semester went on I thought he was funny and sweet and he was really smart which I appreciate! So, I basically asked him out. We dated for 15 months and what ended it was the fact that his ego grew to enormous proportions.
My second bf is my current bf and he is an Aspie and is why I am here. Again, he had known of me for a while but it wasn't until I contacted him that we started "talking" and then dating...8 months now. I am not a slut at all. My first bf had to wait 4 months for a peck. Current had to wait two months for a peck.
I say try dating sites. You will meet someone and they are basically handed to you on a platter with similar interest. Fact is, most of us just want someone who will love and appreciate us and yes, there are a few really shallow women but I, as well as others, tend to be able to see great features and qualities in almost everyone. If they are showing any interest ask them for a coffee date. You may just be missing your chances because of lack of social cues. Heck, if you are hanging out with a girl you like...maybe even jokingly say, "yeah, I just can never tell when a girl likes me so I always miss out." You may just be presently surprised with her response!

Also, most girls do NOT mind that you haven't had experience!
I don't have the answers but I just hate to think something as beautiful as making love for the first time would be wasted on a hooker. Even if you are both virgins and it's awkward at least you have something to share and remember fondly and someone to practice and get better with and ...to love.

Great post. I liked it.
Thanks. By the way...a friend of mine is famous for saying that a gut rates about a 5...then when she finds out the same guy likes her and thinks she is pretty...his rating shoots up to about a 9! lol When you let a girl know she is attractive...your sex appeal in her eyes will generally go up!
bizboy1 wrote:
MXH wrote:
Funny, ive personally gone backwards of that. From thinking i was ok to great to seeing slowly the lack of respect people had for me and then seeing how i was pretty worthless in general.
brenjb, The thing is many men here fall into what you consider attractive and have spent many years and some decades being ignored for the muscled ego guy. And if it was just once or twice we wouldnt notice it, but time and time and time again theres but one conclusion to draw. That so many of us fall to the same conclusion by ourselves just means it has to have a degree of truth out there.
brenjb, The thing is many men here fall into what you consider attractive and have spent many years and some decades being ignored for the muscled ego guy. And if it was just once or twice we wouldnt notice it, but time and time and time again theres but one conclusion to draw. That so many of us fall to the same conclusion by ourselves just means it has to have a degree of truth out there.
Great post. I'be been skinny , buff and now fat. I don't think it's the muscles. I think its the confidence and aggressiveness which I lack. I never asked a girl out and never told anyone I like them. Personally I'm not ready for a relationship because I gave issues. Sex would be great though.
The guys I dated werent aggressive and we ALL have some form of issues. lol Let a girl get to know you really really well! Especially if you can make her laugh or indirectly let her know she is attractive. She may just ask you out.


BrenJB wrote:
bizboy1 wrote:
BrenJB wrote:
bizboy1 wrote:
BrenJB wrote:
DoniiMann wrote:
I was just shy of 32 years when I kissed that affliction goodbye. Believe me, the fear is worse than the reality. You learn quickly if you're willing. And if the person is as nice as you'd want a long term partner to be, they'll be patient. Be willing to please your partner, and it will work out fine. Everyone on the planet was a newbie at the beginning. If it mattered a lot, we'd be a lot less over-populated than we are.
I agree completely! I personally don't ever want a guy that has paid for sex! Also, I don't want a guy with a lot of experience...I'd like to think I was special enough that we waited for each other.

Ideally I agree with you. But you are dealing with a bunch of men who are lonely, desperate, discouraged, and tormented. We are social ret*ds and women know this so they leave us alone and judge us. We see that and have low self esteem. I imagine sex with a woman to be one of the greatest things a man can do. Since most of us are virgins we crave it. In fact most men I know crave it and accomplish it without any problems. Sex with a prostitute doesn't even enter their minds. I've seen men who I thought were ugly or nerds get more women over me. Its because they are aggressive assertive and have high confidence. I have non of that. So ya ideally I don't want to pay for sex because its disgusting and degrading but no one else will give me a chance. We aren't horrible people.
This makes me so SAD!! ! I have only had two boyfriends. My first boyfriend repulsed all the girls in school because he was a complete nerd, had to be the class clown and was the biggest pimple face in school. I sat next to him in English class and as the semester went on I thought he was funny and sweet and he was really smart which I appreciate! So, I basically asked him out. We dated for 15 months and what ended it was the fact that his ego grew to enormous proportions.
My second bf is my current bf and he is an Aspie and is why I am here. Again, he had known of me for a while but it wasn't until I contacted him that we started "talking" and then dating...8 months now. I am not a slut at all. My first bf had to wait 4 months for a peck. Current had to wait two months for a peck.
I say try dating sites. You will meet someone and they are basically handed to you on a platter with similar interest. Fact is, most of us just want someone who will love and appreciate us and yes, there are a few really shallow women but I, as well as others, tend to be able to see great features and qualities in almost everyone. If they are showing any interest ask them for a coffee date. You may just be missing your chances because of lack of social cues. Heck, if you are hanging out with a girl you like...maybe even jokingly say, "yeah, I just can never tell when a girl likes me so I always miss out." You may just be presently surprised with her response!

Also, most girls do NOT mind that you haven't had experience!
I don't have the answers but I just hate to think something as beautiful as making love for the first time would be wasted on a hooker. Even if you are both virgins and it's awkward at least you have something to share and remember fondly and someone to practice and get better with and ...to love.

Great post. I liked it.
Thanks. By the way...a friend of mine is famous for saying that a gut rates about a 5...then when she finds out the same guy likes her and thinks she is pretty...his rating shoots up to about a 9! lol When you let a girl know she is attractive...your sex appeal in her eyes will generally go up!
Wow never thought about that kind of makes sense. I usually just stare at girls I like because I'm too awkward to say anything. I'm not a creeper though. I just find beauty fascinating. Its like math to me. So much symmetry in beauty. I promise I'll work on it. Although my aspergers symptoms suck hard right now.
bizboy1 wrote:
BrenJB wrote:
bizboy1 wrote:
BrenJB wrote:
bizboy1 wrote:
BrenJB wrote:
DoniiMann wrote:
I was just shy of 32 years when I kissed that affliction goodbye. Believe me, the fear is worse than the reality. You learn quickly if you're willing. And if the person is as nice as you'd want a long term partner to be, they'll be patient. Be willing to please your partner, and it will work out fine. Everyone on the planet was a newbie at the beginning. If it mattered a lot, we'd be a lot less over-populated than we are.
I agree completely! I personally don't ever want a guy that has paid for sex! Also, I don't want a guy with a lot of experience...I'd like to think I was special enough that we waited for each other.

Ideally I agree with you. But you are dealing with a bunch of men who are lonely, desperate, discouraged, and tormented. We are social ret*ds and women know this so they leave us alone and judge us. We see that and have low self esteem. I imagine sex with a woman to be one of the greatest things a man can do. Since most of us are virgins we crave it. In fact most men I know crave it and accomplish it without any problems. Sex with a prostitute doesn't even enter their minds. I've seen men who I thought were ugly or nerds get more women over me. Its because they are aggressive assertive and have high confidence. I have non of that. So ya ideally I don't want to pay for sex because its disgusting and degrading but no one else will give me a chance. We aren't horrible people.
This makes me so SAD!! ! I have only had two boyfriends. My first boyfriend repulsed all the girls in school because he was a complete nerd, had to be the class clown and was the biggest pimple face in school. I sat next to him in English class and as the semester went on I thought he was funny and sweet and he was really smart which I appreciate! So, I basically asked him out. We dated for 15 months and what ended it was the fact that his ego grew to enormous proportions.
My second bf is my current bf and he is an Aspie and is why I am here. Again, he had known of me for a while but it wasn't until I contacted him that we started "talking" and then dating...8 months now. I am not a slut at all. My first bf had to wait 4 months for a peck. Current had to wait two months for a peck.
I say try dating sites. You will meet someone and they are basically handed to you on a platter with similar interest. Fact is, most of us just want someone who will love and appreciate us and yes, there are a few really shallow women but I, as well as others, tend to be able to see great features and qualities in almost everyone. If they are showing any interest ask them for a coffee date. You may just be missing your chances because of lack of social cues. Heck, if you are hanging out with a girl you like...maybe even jokingly say, "yeah, I just can never tell when a girl likes me so I always miss out." You may just be presently surprised with her response!

Also, most girls do NOT mind that you haven't had experience!
I don't have the answers but I just hate to think something as beautiful as making love for the first time would be wasted on a hooker. Even if you are both virgins and it's awkward at least you have something to share and remember fondly and someone to practice and get better with and ...to love.

Great post. I liked it.
Thanks. By the way...a friend of mine is famous for saying that a gut rates about a 5...then when she finds out the same guy likes her and thinks she is pretty...his rating shoots up to about a 9! lol When you let a girl know she is attractive...your sex appeal in her eyes will generally go up!
Wow never thought about that kind of makes sense. I usually just stare at girls I like because I'm too awkward to say anything. I'm not a creeper though. I just find beauty fascinating. Its like math to me. So much symmetry in beauty. I promise I'll work on it. Although my aspergers symptoms suck hard right now.
If it's possible...that you can approach them about work? A project? Especially is you can Facebook or text them. My boyfriend and I write notes still...on paper and in text and even the note app on our iphones ...even when we are in the same room. Sometimes it's easier for him to express himself over text especially if its an issue we are working on. I use emoticons and that way he knows how I am feeling without having to try and read the clues from my tone or expression. It's worked well.


Adam82 wrote:
Still a virgin, and turn 30 next month.
It's more the lack of any intimacy or love from a female that is bothering me than the lack of sex.
It's more the lack of any intimacy or love from a female that is bothering me than the lack of sex.
Have you tried dating sites like match.com? It worked for my Uncle and he is getting married to a woman just like him! They are really happy and he has never approached a girl and he is 33.