Social Value Tests: Women's ways of assessing men

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Well, they cant be going so well if nothing comes out of them except making out. Unless that is all you seek out of it, but thats not what you tell people. you sell this as a way to get a relationship (like most pua gurus do), when it isnt. Hell look at most of them, in their 40s trying to look 20, multiple divorces, hell mystery is known for using skype as his crying place. In the book the game he gets placed in a psych ward TWICE from depression caused by his game. And thats just in the timespan of the book, he was placed multiple times before and after that. Hell he is currently borederline on being put in one again.

also thats not candy coating, thats selling a fantasy. Used to be like me? What the dick is that supposed to mean? Im the most care free member of this entire section. You know why? Its not because i fell for some bait, its not because I am looking for aproval by making "advice" threads, and its not because I can showoff how many convos i can have online. Im the most carefree because I have accepted the truth, the final word. And because of that truth I know I dont have to pretend to be something, or worse become something. I dont have to dance to their music. I dont have to walk that line. Because of that truth I am me, and i wont let anyone or anything change that. And im sure many will agree that is much more powerful than your games.

Boo has said many things which i agree with and many i disagree with. Hes spent a lot of time trying to reinvent himself and its good to see its starting to work for him. But that is not the single path.

People want to be lied to. They want to be told that they can make very little effort, yet find that special someone that will unconditionally love them and see them for the little special snowflake they are.

yes, but thats not what has been sold in numerous threads. you're getting tons of commands on what to do, how to do it and what to be. yet every pua video/article that ive read talks about "naturals". You know, guys that dont need to be pretentious to get women, and they all want to be them. Maybe its that way for a reason

"Naturals" is a pua term for men who are naturally successful with women. I.E a lot of PUA material is based on behavior exhibited by these "naturals". Other things like for instance taking a "buyer's position", which means that instead of you qualifying yourself to the woman, you make her qualify herself to you. Is meant to get rid of certain counterproductive behaviors such as putting women on a pedestal and fawning over them.

Note that by "qualifying" I mean changing your default position from "I need to sell myself to her, because she's better than me" you adopt the position "I'm a catch and she needs to sell herself to me".

im more than well versed in PUA terminology/tactics. And as ive said I hve no issue with someone trying them from their own will. I do have an issue with people doing it without knowing. Would you invest in a company that lied to you about what they were?

Depends on if I could make money off it or not. I'd be very happy to find out that a company that lied about being a green energy company was really a badass defense contractor/tobacco/alcohol/hooker provider.

actually for this its like investing in enron, lots of promise but it ends up being BS

Nobody is dancing to the beat of another but the beat they compose from their own perceptions and expectations. I agree on that and I have never read a pick up artist book apart the one by Richard aka Gambler and I only got a quarter through it. It's like we're conducting a social experiment, doing some kind of inhuman social experiment on women, all of these dates involve social interaction and attraction to an extent, if anything these women are helping the greater good.

I personally don't know why most people on this forum seem to think of long term relationships as the end of all problems and responsibility when in fact, fully committed relationships require a lot emotionally and people on the spectrum have a high divorce rate so maybe rushing into a long term relationship or a monogamous relationship isn't the best for every person on the spectrum? so maybe we should step away from thinking that relationships solve everything and focus more on what drives us to seek what we seek.

This is a world where naivety doesn't win and the sooner you lose that naivety, the quicker you'll come to realizations that will change you forever. As for the game or Neil is someone who went in with a lot of expectations and allowed his life to be dictated by peer pressure and depression is something that has an effect on many people.

In fact, people will judge based on their own perceptions to fit their own agenda, people will justify things until it meets their rigid standard of good or bad, people will distort things as far as they want to make it fit their picture, people will judge others without truly knowing them not realizing they are truly judging themselves. We need to start opening our minds instead of closing them and shutting them off to things that have the capability to improve and help others.

At the end, it does what it says on the tin and Boo's advice also does with it says on the tin. These threads and my other threads have been about getting in the right confident mindset and also initial attraction, this is all related to initial attraction and that is a far important factor when it comes to dating and employment. If people are looking to get a marriage or civil partnership, that's down to them but I have never promised anything like that. There are many threads and tons of advice on that but what is more important is the initial stage because without that initial stage, there is no corridor to walk through. Also the more doors you have open, the more selective you can be in who you choose to date and you'll also get invited to more social events instead of being the needy guy who waits for that special girl to come along and p**** whip him.

I think that's what me and Boo have been trying to emphasize in these threads and something many people on this forum don't want to accept.

If you ever wondered why the divorce rate is 50%, this thread is it. For those of you who haven't dated much, know that this isn't worth it. Sure, you might pick up a few girls, you might even succeed in starting a relationship. However, no matter how bad you might want a relationship, you're going to regret it if you go along this route to find one.

I learned the hard way by dating an abusive, manipulative girl for way too long. Having no relationship is better than having an unhappy one. I guess I will say though that the relationship caused me to reflect on what kind of person I want in the future and why insisting your relationship partner live up to certain standards is important.

I'm done with girls that play games, they aren't worth my time. I know my self worth and if a girl wants to be with me she has to show that she has respect for herself or me, and if they are playing games that can't happen. Before that relationship I was like so many of you, never had a real girlfriend in my life and so desperate to find someone, thinking I could change them for the better if they had some rough edges. If you want to know what naivety is, there you go. Now I realize I'd rather be alone for the rest of my life than go through that again.

And did you find this woman? this girl you speak about in the last paragraph? No, you let your guard down, developed oneitis for a girl, thought she was special and became needy for her. So needy that she took advantage of it because she realized she could.

This thread actually gives a guy a shield against things like that because well if one gets annoying, you can disregard her and move on to the next.

you continue to ignore what i actually say and post long winded filler material. That whole post can be summarised as
"well, suit yourself",
albeit a more defensive version of that. Maybe third times the charm... I dont care if you talk about PUA, I really dont. I have recomended it to some members in the past. Whati do care is selling snake oil. And its funny you mention richard la ruina, considering I have posted his DVD collection here in wp before you joined (theyre all on youtube). Continuing with him, on those DVDs he describes literally step by step the interactions that I have figured out by my own trial and error. From posture, to tone, to dress sense. All that he is I figured on my own before finding out about him. Yet we come to different results. Why is that? Cause i dont look like

simple as that. really. Ill be honest i dont think man around here know what you look like, all your pics are blurry, out of focus and black and white. Hell, ive yet to see any real usage of your "tactics" in your messages. All those girls simply wanted you for the blurry BnW pics. They couldnt care less what you said. And thats fine if you want to brag about that, but dont sell it as your tecnique. Just like a video of gambler in action, he doesnt even talk to a woman to get her attention. Because he doesnt need to.

So you're making women to be lab mice. I know of a couple of people around here that would just love that concept

Why do they think that? Because thats what they aim for. That is their goal. And you have been misleading them by taking their wants of that goal and turning it into pua (i already described its actual methods well enough). You dont get to dictate their wants, you dont get to try and become a figure. You can try to give advice for what they want. But dont come in here and use paraphrasing to talk about something without actually saying it.

No, again wrong selling. Confidence isnt something you gain by reading someone elses work. You can gain knowledge, but not confidence. Confidence is something you gain by doing. Which again is what i always say about PUA. It removes the need for confidence and replaces it with being an ass, and makes you do it so many times that you stop caring about people (women in this case) and help your odds of finding one that would go for you. Nothing more than that. Theres better ways to help the initial attraction than dressing in a suit or even peacocking. Or responding aggressively. All that stuff shows is lack of character.



Did you read the same post I did? Cause the one i read said he tryed your advice in the past and ended with someone he didnt want and left her for it. And is now more cautious when looking.

You dont need someone on the internet to tell you that. Its pretty much common sense to walk away from someone thats being annoying to you.

There is no snake oil being sold here, I'm not selling anything here and I'm not making money on this. I'm not redirecting people to buy an e-book or trying to sell a product so not sure where that assumption is from. I realize that different cultures will require different methods but we are talking about vague methods that can work anywhere. Maybe you should read my past few threads, they didn't neglect fashion or appearance but stated that it's important to make a good first impression whether it is online or not. Nothing is promised, nothing is being sold, it has the potential to work.

Ive been reading all of your threads in the past month. I recall certain things like betting you could take someones pictures and show how your tactics work as a guarantee. Dont make me try and find it, you know you said it.

I did say it and if you recall, Irishturk edited his profile with my advice using his photos and has stated that his response rate has gone up.