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I want a women not a child. /../ but most women play the passive role.

The women I want is a women who is so cool that she don't care about stupid social crap.

the confidence that comes from there is genuine and longlasting. The "fake it till you make it" approach is hard, as you said, and it also tends to fluctuate too much. I remember that when I used it, Imhad this constant fear that I'd slip up,

Some PUA material is good, I've found good stuff on body language, the mechanics of attraction, dating psychology, hidden meanings behind certain things, there is a lot of trash too though, so there.

That is true... Manipulation through niceness and faking it are a definite no-no.

have to either make yourself more fascinating

*the "freeze out" technique is an NT head game /../ just doesn't engage at all but without the blatant rudeness of pretending she heard nothing. She uses single word answers or just looks stumped

Ah, Disney as an example!

Quasimodo felt in love with the megahot gipsy girl, how is that not shallow?

But who cares, it's a naïve Disney screen version, they did a second movie where Quasimodo marries a beautiful blonde lady.

The original book is way different, have you read it? No, sure you think Disney version is accurate.

By the way, would you marry a woman with the appearance of this chained man, MXH? He is similar to Quasimodo. In fact Quasimodo has a deformed face, so use your imagination and deform the face of the chained man, ok? This is real world, not Disney.
Or do you prefer a hot gypsy girl with green eyes?

What about places/situations to approach people? I always feel that I cannot approach a specific woman because I go there often and we aren't really strangers any more. The constant fear that I will be laughed at or someone making comments when I enter the same place again later.

Good try at nitpicking advice and turning it into how the guy was in the wrong. And, btw, because you obviously dont know me yet talk like you do. They all are killed in the non disneyfied version.


and another silly post to try to belittle something which you either have no clue what you're talking about or missed the whole point. You should learn better moves from the others like you

Any pointers?, what material do you consider to be trash?


However it works


What makes a man fascinating? besides a shiny ferrari outside.


In these cases it's way better to just break and walk.

I am an older woman and from time to time young men will start conversations with me about random things. If I'm not in the middle of something else I'll engage them. Why? Because I know they aren't trying to date me since I am 20 years too old for them. They are simply passing the time. And so am I. This makes for relaxing, fun conversations about randome things. It's a non-dating conversational dynamic. I am not attracted to them. They are not attracted to me. These facts affect the conversational dynamic.

However, 20 years ago, if men started similar conversations with me I was much more wary. I would only engage them if I found them very interesting. I found through experience that engaging a man who I had zero interest in turned out badly for me. There was always that subtext in his conversation that I had to be aware of, that he was trying to reel me in. If I engaged him but was not interested, there were angry accusations of "friendzoning". That ended when I hit middle age. I can now relax a lot more and just talk to whoever without fear of subtext.

The young women (unlike the women my age) are not going to put forth effort to converse with you unless they find you fascinating. They will not do it to merely pass the time, as women my age will. It isn't worth it to them because of that subtext. I often used the "freeze out"* technique when I was their age, which is to not engage with a man I had no interest in without the bluntness of just walking away from him. Saying these women ought to engage will get you nowehere. They could, but they won't unless they find you fascinating. So I guess you will have to either make yourself more fascinating or be more open to the women who do already find you interesting, such as the aggressive one you spoke of elsewhere.

*the "freeze out" technique is an NT head game of the type hated by all AS people (so presumably not used by AS women here). I was using it 20 years ago, it's probably older than that, and it is clearly still in use. It is where the woman just doesn't engage at all but without the blatant rudeness of pretending she heard nothing. She uses single word answers or just looks stumped in an attempt to get the man to give up and go to greener pastures.

What about places/situations to approach people? I always feel that I cannot approach a specific woman because I go there often and we aren't really strangers any more. The constant fear that I will be laughed at or someone making comments when I enter the same place again later.

And as always, you are being conceited but you NEVER argue. So you think when someone refutes something you said, this person is only nitpicking and belittling.

You say the Disney gypsy girl was being shallow and I answered you, where is the problem?

You have been the first person to mention a Disney movie as a proof of why women don't want white knights

this was really interesting
it seems like when it's genuinely just friendly conversation on the table things usually go pretty smoothly

What about places/situations to approach people? I always feel that I cannot approach a specific woman because I go there often and we aren't really strangers any more. The constant fear that I will be laughed at or someone making comments when I enter the same place again later.

Practice where failure is an option. Start with just trying some simple chit-chat. It may require many failures to get it right.

Well my three closet girl friends all found their husbands that way.
The guys who I have rejected but have seen first hand have a really great attitude, I have also put in a word for when I'm hanging out with my girl friends or in my social cirlce without being asked by them to do so. Girls talk of their own accord - one of us mentions it and those who are interested pursue it by themselves.

And something to keep in mind: what you consider to be a "good attitude" might not be what they consider it to be, or you may be coming accross completely different than you think you are.

Not really. I mean, I say this all the time, but I am okay with being friends with girls who friendzone me, as long as they don't treat me like a counselor instead of a friend.

What'll usually happen is, I'll just say that it's no big deal (in most cases it isn't) and ask if we can just be friends. They'll say yes at this point but it's clear that instead of being friends, that most of them will just come to me with their problems, and won't let me get a word in edgewise. This has happened with damn near every girl I've ever liked except for 3 of them, and those 3 weren't gonna put in a good word for someone like me anyhow, unless it was for girls nobody else wants.

So its not they didnt set you up, rather you didnt like who they set you up with. Which is reasonable. but it doesnt mean it didnt happen. Lets face it, chances are most of her friends are taken. This isnt some sort of guaranteed strategy, its something that can happen.

But it brings us to a point i failed to address. Not everyone is able to go after the 9s and 10s they want. its been scientifically shown that people tend to gravitate towards those in their own league. This happens due to trying to find the best we can get. I know its not something many want to accept but thats just how things are. You can either stop looking just for someones looks (not saying that looks are unimportant, last thing you need is being completely unattracted in any way) and try to get something out of personalities too.

Well, call me stupid, I don't care, but you were angry as always there and I understood you were encouraging men to be badasses. You seem a man yelling slogans to the masses sometimes. "don't do this! don't do that!, women this!, women that! Be this! Don't be that!". Maybe it's only my impression but you are too angry and full of resentment. You consider dating as war.

About the Disney thing, if I was wrong then I'm sorry, maybe I was lost in translation.