How Not to be a Creep

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16 Jan 2013, 11:00 am

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For the purpose of this discussion, creepy behavior is pretty much defined as any behavior that is making others uncomfortable, and is unwanted behavior.

And slu*ty behavior is honestly no one else's business, so if it makes them uncomfortable, they need to stop thinking about what's going on in that slu*ty person's sex life. It's not being pushed on anyone else.

Creepy behavior is actually effecting other people.

Ive never argued that definition, Ive argued its application and alternatives. Because until I see a 100% checklist of what constitutes creepy I cant see it justifiable. Especially when it varies so much, and when theres better alternatives.

slu*ty behavior does affect others. Theres a reason STD rates are going through the roof in some states. Including some life threatening STDs.

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16 Jan 2013, 11:00 am

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You both keep missing the point. Im not even sure what you're saying to justify missing it. The term creepy as just unjustified behavior can not exist properly because behavior response is never the same even to the same person doing the same action.

As venger said, most psychopaths were never creeps. Most actually dangerous persons were never creeps. The creep you both talk about is the fat guy or nerdy guy with no "game". Ive seen a group of girls taunt a guy and call him a creep for as much as trying to start a conversation yet a random guy walks in, grabs one and makes out/gropes her and the rest cheer on. Not even 5 words said. So the guy that actually posed any ammount of unwarranted/dangerous behavior is not a creep. Why? because hes hot. This is my problem with the term creep. Until there is a real checklist of what a creep is, just as there is for any other insult, it is not a justifiable thing to say.

You know what, I gave you a chance to say what word you would use for someone displaying unwanted behavior, if "creep" is such a big sore spot for you. But it turns out that what your problem is that you don't think that anyone ever is allowed to find a mans behavior (you only speak of men) towards them unwanted. That is so entitled and wrong. There are about a thousand red flags concerning you as a person. This is not about psychopaths, and this is not about what you consider "dangerous people", this is specifically about how to change accidentally scaring the s**t out of someone. Any sane person would like to, you know, not do that.

Then there are behaviors that are specifically autistic, that NTs should learn to live with, but that is a really really really small portion of this. Tiny.

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16 Jan 2013, 11:03 am

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You know what, I gave you a chance to say what word you would use for someone displaying unwanted behavior, if "creep" is such a big sore spot for you. But it turns out that what your problem is that you don't think that anyone ever is allowed to find a mans behavior (you only speak of men) towards them unwanted. That is so entitled and wrong. There are about a thousand red flags concerning you as a person. This is not about psychopaths, and this is not about what you consider "dangerous people", this is specifically about how to change accidentally scaring the sh** out of someone. Any sane person would like to, you know, not do that.

Then there are behaviors that are specifically autistic, that NTs should learn to live with, but that is a really really really small portion of this. Tiny.

Heres the part where you ignore my posts, call me a misogynist even though ive purposely avoided genders and made both examples and proofs of the oposite as a way to try and discredit me and hope others see me as a bad person.
You really think I havent dealt with people like you before?

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16 Jan 2013, 11:03 am

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Hahahahahaha but you only catch it if you f**k someone having it without using protection, which would make them in your eyes, a slut. For having any sex at all. Quit it. This thread is not about your sexism.

Also everyone, don't feed the troll.

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16 Jan 2013, 11:06 am

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who says that or anything makes someone a slut? All I see is someone making things up to justify behavior. Ohh look at that, you're coming off as unwanted behavior. Yep, you're a creep.

You do know that you're the only one to have brought gender into this conversation. But you're right, Everyone, dont feed the troll. No matter how clever they think they are.

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16 Jan 2013, 11:06 am

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You know what, I gave you a chance to say what word you would use for someone displaying unwanted behavior, if "creep" is such a big sore spot for you. But it turns out that what your problem is that you don't think that anyone ever is allowed to find a mans behavior (you only speak of men) towards them unwanted. That is so entitled and wrong. There are about a thousand red flags concerning you as a person. This is not about psychopaths, and this is not about what you consider "dangerous people", this is specifically about how to change accidentally scaring the sh** out of someone. Any sane person would like to, you know, not do that.

Then there are behaviors that are specifically autistic, that NTs should learn to live with, but that is a really really really small portion of this. Tiny.

Bringing up "nerdy fat guys" and "guys with no game" is really leaving gender out of it. Yup. Oh, yeah, I seriously don't doubt that you've gotten into arguments before, as you like defending creeps and calling people sluts. And you like it.

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16 Jan 2013, 11:08 am

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You know what, I gave you a chance to say what word you would use for someone displaying unwanted behavior, if "creep" is such a big sore spot for you. But it turns out that what your problem is that you don't think that anyone ever is allowed to find a mans behavior (you only speak of men) towards them unwanted. That is so entitled and wrong. There are about a thousand red flags concerning you as a person. This is not about psychopaths, and this is not about what you consider "dangerous people", this is specifically about how to change accidentally scaring the sh** out of someone. Any sane person would like to, you know, not do that.

Then there are behaviors that are specifically autistic, that NTs should learn to live with, but that is a really really really small portion of this. Tiny.

Funny you do exactly what i said you do in response to when i said it.

Ive not defended anyone, or called anyone a slut. Ive argued against the misuse of a word. But as I can see now you're just too full of yourself and have the mind capable of making up any belief to justify itself as rightful. We also have words for that you know.

You remind me of another member. Same self justifications, same silly way of "arguing". Though that person justified their point by trying to sound smart.

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16 Jan 2013, 11:11 am

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MXH wrote:

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You know what, I gave you a chance to say what word you would use for someone displaying unwanted behavior, if "creep" is such a big sore spot for you. But it turns out that what your problem is that you don't think that anyone ever is allowed to find a mans behavior (you only speak of men) towards them unwanted. That is so entitled and wrong. There are about a thousand red flags concerning you as a person. This is not about psychopaths, and this is not about what you consider "dangerous people", this is specifically about how to change accidentally scaring the sh** out of someone. Any sane person would like to, you know, not do that.

Then there are behaviors that are specifically autistic, that NTs should learn to live with, but that is a really really really small portion of this. Tiny.

Ive not defended anyone, or called anyone a slut. Ive argued against the misuse of a word. But as I can see now you're just too full of yourself and have the mind capable of making up any belief to justify itself as rightful. We also have words for that you know.

Well if it only was about the word, why did you not calm down and offer a - in your eyes - better one when you had the chance? "We"? There are words for people that talk about themselves in plural too.

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16 Jan 2013, 11:12 am

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See, thats the thing. you're so busy trying to justify yourself you (as i said before) ignore my posts. But here, ill quote myself

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So that is the case then. The concept is so foreign even though multiple persons have tried explaining it to you, that you're left searching dictionaries. So, what would be your choice of word for describing a person (and yes, not always a man either) that "makes other people feel threatened or uncomfortable"? You're not very helpful in providing any alternatives.

Im showing you dictionaries to see if you can finally understand what a real definition is and show why you have a self made up justification for a word. Because lets face it, theres also multiple persons here also explaining to you why you're wrong.

Firstly, I never said this was a man only issue. As meems said she has been called a creep before. Ive never been called a creep before. And a good substitue is "someone that makes me threatened/uncomfortable". See how hard that was? Here Ill use it in a sentence. "O M G, dude you're so making me uncomfortable!". See in that example you managed to A- remove the "threat" just as much as by calling him a creep, B- also given the "threat" something to trully think about and be able to fix for himself. Maybe he can go home and read some books on social behavior and become a better person. But no, thats not what people want.

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16 Jan 2013, 11:13 am

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So are we defining slu*ty behavior as unsafe sex practices? That applies even less to this conversation. Consensual unsafe sex practices are irresponsible.

Creepy behavior isn't consensual in this context.

Still entirely different meanings.

This thread isn't about calling people creeps or sluts, it's about the BEHAVIOR itself.

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16 Jan 2013, 11:13 am

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As venger said, most psychopaths were never creeps. Most actually dangerous persons were never creeps. The creep you both talk about is the fat guy or nerdy guy with no "game". Ive seen a group of girls taunt a guy and call him a creep for as much as trying to start a conversation yet a random guy walks in, grabs one and makes out/gropes her and the rest cheer on. Not even 5 words said. So the guy that actually posed any ammount of unwarranted/dangerous behavior is not a creep. Why? because hes hot. This is my problem with the term creep. Until there is a real checklist of what a creep is, just as there is for any other insult, it is not a justifiable thing to say.

Yep women are often attracted to the genuine creeps(whether they realize it or not).

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16 Jan 2013, 11:18 am

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This thread isn't about calling people creeps or sluts, it's about the BEHAVIOR itself.

But nobody has been called a slut. I made a correlation to how it is being told you are X word, which happens to be a word that is looked down upon. I picked the word slut because just as creep it is one of the most damaging words to a person. And yes guys can be sluts too.

If you and anomiel tried to even read what Im saying youd understand that im not here either defending the true targets of the word creep. Im here to end misusage of words. Same as I have done with the whole nice guy thing. Ive never said that there arent people that deserve being called something. I just think they deserve something else, something more concrete.

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16 Jan 2013, 11:19 am

I don't think "creep" means "psychopath". I have never equated the two.

Creeps are people who are violating other people's boundaries. If they need to be shamed in order for them to stop doing it, then so be it.

I can't be any clearer.

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16 Jan 2013, 11:23 am

I'm not going to spend time worried about how the word creep might make someone feel when I'm telling my friends why I want to get away from someone, they understand that I'm saying a person has made me feel violated or unsafe when I use the word creep.

If I find a better word, I'll use it.

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16 Jan 2013, 11:27 am

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Ive never said they dont deserve to be told. Reread my posts. I have said that you can use better language to not just get yourself off danger but also help a guy like the one in the story you posted about. Without taking any extra effort. Without diminishing the effectiveness of simply labeling someone (which isnt a lot). All by just using a couple of words instead of blanket word.

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16 Jan 2013, 11:27 am

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See, thats the thing. you're so busy trying to justify yourself you (as i said before) ignore my posts. But here, ill quote myself

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That is because you keep editing your posts several minutes and posts after you submitted them. You can't expect me to keep going back and looking for things you were not fast enough to think up when you sent it?
But there we have it! Substitute it for "uncomfortable" then. But it is not a good idea for anyone to have to interact more with someone that is already behaving in unwanted ways towards them.
As for justifications, take a look in the mirror. Do you know the definition of definition?

def·i·ni·tion (df-nshn)
n.
1.
a. A statement conveying fundamental character.
b. A statement of the meaning of a word, phrase, or term, as in a dictionary entry.
2. The act or process of stating a precise meaning or significance; formulation of a meaning.
3.
a. The act of making clear and distinct: a definition of one's intentions.
b. The state of being closely outlined or determined: "With the drizzle, the trees in the little clearing had lost definition" (Anthony Hyde).
c. A determination of outline, extent, or limits: the definition of a President's authority.
4.
a. The clarity of detail in an optically produced image, such as a photograph, effected by a combination of resolution and contrast.
b. The degree of clarity with which a televised image or broadcast signal is received.

"We" and what multiple persons, since I started posting today? Paranoia about me being another user? Get it together.

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