Quick question about first date

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06 Nov 2013, 4:00 pm

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Attempting to 'screen out' certain people and focus on those that seem to have a desired mental attribute appears a sound approach.

But it has me wondering. Is that really the main ingredient or is it the best thing to focus on first? Is it in a way putting the cart before the horse?

I say that thinking that it is the physical elements that may be the most important, that looks, the way a person carrys themselves, how they sound, and many subtle other things that pose the greatest obstacle. Then would come their behavior and if it intregrates well with yours. Last of all is their level of knowledge and intellect perhaps? Because of all those things it is really only the level of knowledge and to a point intellect that might be changed or modified.


So if I understood correctly, you're saying that what's important is physical elements>behavior>intellectual level, in that order?
To me maybe it's their behavior is the most important. How they treat others, their values and morale standards.
But of course it's hard to know that from an online profile.
So first, I check if they clear my basic criteria (politics, religion, age, non-smoker, and how they answered some of the questions) and then if their profile is well written (intelligence?) and if he is cute (looks), I go after them.

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Maybe...maybe, she wanted me to be more assertive, more persistent, to be always the pursuer male but I am not like that.


I think you're right. It is kind of expected that men always initiate everything. I'm afraid if I initiate everything I would be seen as pushy and controlling because I'm a woman.



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06 Nov 2013, 4:04 pm

Yuzu wrote:
Toy_Soldier wrote:
Attempting to 'screen out' certain people and focus on those that seem to have a desired mental attribute appears a sound approach.

But it has me wondering. Is that really the main ingredient or is it the best thing to focus on first? Is it in a way putting the cart before the horse?

I say that thinking that it is the physical elements that may be the most important, that looks, the way a person carrys themselves, how they sound, and many subtle other things that pose the greatest obstacle. Then would come their behavior and if it intregrates well with yours. Last of all is their level of knowledge and intellect perhaps? Because of all those things it is really only the level of knowledge and to a point intellect that might be changed or modified.


So if I understood correctly, you're saying that what's important is physical elements>behavior>intellectual level, in that order?
To me maybe it's their behavior is the most important. How they treat others, their values and morale standards.
But of course it's hard to know that from an online profile.
So first, I check if they clear my basic criteria (politics, religion, age, non-smoker, and how they answered some of the questions) and then if their profile is well written (intelligence?) and if he is cute (looks), I go after them.

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
Maybe...maybe, she wanted me to be more assertive, more persistent, to be always the pursuer male but I am not like that.


I think you're right. It is kind of expected that men always initiate everything. I'm afraid if I initiate everything I would be seen as pushy and controlling because I'm a woman.


And why you females never assume that males may not want to be seen as too pushy and controlling as well?

Ha, I am Darwinian again...you females! You males! :lol



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06 Nov 2013, 4:09 pm

No, women rarely think that. It's expected, don't you see? If men are not assertive women think they're not interested.
I remember from some thread you were saying this one girl was so into you too fast and you were a little overwhelmed?
Didn't you think she was a little too pushy?



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06 Nov 2013, 4:12 pm

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I think you're right. It is kind of expected that men always initiate everything. I'm afraid if I initiate everything I would be seen as pushy and controlling because I'm a woman.


No! I personally appreciate the effort and courage it takes. Certainly don't initiate everything, but don't be scared to initiate. That is, if you think a man is worth it - don't hesitate for a second. I used to love getting asked out - it meant she was keen on me, so I had no guessing games to play - and I could be myself. Everyone happy.

Anyways, are you going to text this guy again, or are you waiting on this other date?



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06 Nov 2013, 4:14 pm

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No, women rarely think that. It's expected, don't you see? If men are not assertive women think they're not interested.
I remember from some thread you were saying this one girl was so into you too fast and you were a little overwhelmed?
Didn't you think she was a little too pushy?


Heh, true that but not the same girl.

It's either one extreme or the other.



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06 Nov 2013, 4:18 pm

Well, he said he'd text me if he could go, so if I text him and asked again, wouldn't I seem too eager and pushy?

I'm not sure about the other one. I'm debating if I should go or not.



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06 Nov 2013, 4:25 pm

Yeah, maybe you would. Or, maybe not. Who cares for now.

Nothing to lose. TEXT HIM!! ! Your furry tigermother says so. :D

If he doesn't reply, his loss, move on. If you like him (which you said you do), it's worth that one last shot.

Whatever he thinks is his business.

eg. Hi there, are you still coming to x? Look forward to seeing you if you are.

Just a crude example, that shows you are keen on seeing him without being overkeen. Don't think there's anything crawling about that - it's just good manners, and you never know, he might have thought you weren't that keen on him, and said what you said just because it was 'the done thing' (especially if he is NT) :D



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06 Nov 2013, 4:26 pm

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Well, he said he'd text me if he could go, so if I text him and asked again, wouldn't I seem too eager and pushy?

I'm not sure about the other one. I'm debating if I should go or not.


He's avoiding you, old trick.

If he really couldn't go but interested he would react differently, he would suggest a different date or he would try to compensate with some quickie outing but not as "If....one day...I might".



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06 Nov 2013, 4:27 pm

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Yuzu wrote:
Well, he said he'd text me if he could go, so if I text him and asked again, wouldn't I seem too eager and pushy?

I'm not sure about the other one. I'm debating if I should go or not.


He's avoiding you, old trick.

If he really couldn't go but interested he would react differently, he would suggest a different date or he would try to compensate with some quickie outing but not as "If....one day...I might".


Not necessarily true. No.

Don't try and secondguess his thoughts. Just text him.



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06 Nov 2013, 4:28 pm

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I've already suggested to go to a gig next week and he said he would text me if he could go. He hasn't so far and I doubt he would.


When did you suggest - before or during or after the date?



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06 Nov 2013, 4:31 pm

Yuzu, you said you were getting another date (with another guy right?) I say go for the new date and drop that one.



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06 Nov 2013, 4:33 pm

I'd say if OP knows what she wants, she should jolly well go for it!



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06 Nov 2013, 4:38 pm

I suggested during the date.

Boo is probably right. He wanted to have time to assess everything and now he has decided he does not want to see me again I bet :(

Yeah, I should just forget about him and go for another date with this new guy.



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06 Nov 2013, 4:40 pm

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I'd say if OP knows what she wants, she should jolly well go for it!


Well, she would do what she wants at the end, we are just suggesting and giving opinions :p.

My opinion that Yuzu has already tried all shots for a second date with that guy, how many "reminders" he needs?



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06 Nov 2013, 4:41 pm

Yuzu wrote:
So if I understood correctly, you're saying that what's important is physical elements>behavior>intellectual level, in that order?
To me maybe it's their behavior is the most important. How they treat others, their values and morale standards.
But of course it's hard to know that from an online profile.
So first, I check if they clear my basic criteria (politics, religion, age, non-smoker, and how they answered some of the questions) and then if their profile is well written (intelligence?) and if he is cute (looks), I go after them.


Yes, but I meant in the initial stage, the meeting and getting to know one another. Not necessarily if it would work out long term. The long term prospect would probably have a different hierarchy of importance, like you have written.

I think upon meeting that the most basic instinctive selection criteria is dominant (ie. are they attractive to me, or am I getting a positive feeling their looks grow on me.) I suspect without that everything else is moot point. So I was suggesting that a date has better chance of going well if that question has already been resolved. Having that physical element an unknown on the first date must be very unsettling, like a blind date almost, though I know online usually includes exchanges of pictures.

I wonder too if online daters may just do it sometimes to do it and really not be actively interested. Like they just want a date for the weekend. That would be harder to hide from people in person to person exchanges.



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06 Nov 2013, 4:43 pm

Yeah, think about it for a second, if you were this guy and a girl suggest going on another date wouldn't you answer in a timely manner if you really liked her?