khaoz wrote:
Women seem to collect men, even if only for a few seconds at a time. As if attaining the attention of men is a competitive endeavor, to boost self esteem more than anything else.
There are lots and lots and lots of men like that. Same with game playing, and indirectness, and drama, and so on. None of these are by any means exclusively or necessarily the domain of women.
MDD123 wrote:
hurtloam wrote:
MDD123 wrote:
Sometimes I think if women had their pick, all guys would be like Eminem and they could just melt our icy bad boy hearts.
I know its a little sexist and broad stroke, but I've wanted to say that for awhile now.
I dunno about sexist. Lets just leave that out of this conversation, but I do wonder if it is a class thing. Is it just working class people who like the rough guy, I want to fix him thing or who want to emulate the rough guy to get girls? Or do middle class women like this too? Just saying because I want a man as educated and with the same level of manners I've been brought up with - yeah I know I'm being a bit snobbish, but I wouldn't look twice at an M&M mimic.
It's definitely not a class thing, could be an age thing though, all I know is that if you treat opposite sex relations like they're disposable, the success rate goes up. My old roommate is living proof of that.
I get told that I don't appear confident, but in my experience, having confidence is like a death sentence to actual talent. If I started acting confident, I'd put less effort into things like school, exercise, and everything in between.
I'm glad manners count for something though, that's something I actually have going for me.
There is a class thing, and some middle class women do chase the 'bit of rough' (this cuts across genders and sexualities). I'm speaking from a UK perspective, but I think it translates.
Most other animals have sex 'naturally'. That is, they just
do it. What's more, they just
know how to do it. Compared to humans, they don't have to think about the 'mating ritual', get various neuroses and anxieties - they just copulate and, usually, procreate.
Class, and the 'bit of rough': the 'cultured' view the 'uncultured' as they would other animals. For a long time, and still, this was displayed in a kind of fetishised, fascinated disgust with the sex lives of the working class. They wanted sex, and they had it. That was it. No need for a big thing about it, no need to worry about heirs, or being 'respectable', they just, well, f****d. They were 'earthy', vulgar, crude. They enjoyed sex in a way that was inaccesible to the cultured, unless they went amongst them and bedded them. You can sense a similar sensibility when people complain about single mothers - a toxic mix of class and gender hatred and libidinal envy.
The same 'natural', 'authentic' sexuality is also held to be true of the ethnic 'other' - the cultures that gave the anglo-western world the harem and the kama sutra and the animalistic sexual prowess of the black male are assumed to have a much less neurotic take on sex.
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Of course, it's probably quite a bit more complicated than that.
You know sometimes, between the dames and the horses, I don't even know why I put my hat on.
08 Apr 2014, 10:57 pm
