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25 May 2014, 12:29 am

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Last but not least, don't be afraid to go to a sex worker if you are so intent on sex, there is a stigma in the US against them but you just need to see it as social skills training. The sex worker is someone helping you build technique and confidence for when you are faced with other women. As long as no one is being solicited, I believe it's fine, do you really think those women in expensive bars in New York are with bankers or stock brokers for their recitation of poetry or understanding of Shakespeare?

I think Archdevilius is trying to set up a fallback position and provide some middle-of-the-road advice.  This is the kind of advice I often strive to give.

When I was 21, I hired an escort because some so-called friends pressured me into it.  That didn't work out so great.

These days as a guy in my early 50s, I sometimes go to a strip club.  That works out better.  Some clubs are known for "extras."  I currently don't partake, but I think about it.



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25 May 2014, 12:34 am

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I think the problem here is psychiatry and psychology tends to attract lazy types, people looking for a lifestyle job. Not all of them, but too many of them. I've had several of them, some of who were good, some of who thought I was going to figure out things, and they sat back and laughed, enjoyed the money, etc.

Also, we should hear how tall he is. I in no way justify anything he did, but heightism against men is far more brutal than weightism against women, who can lose and change. We all know men NEED sex for mental health and stability. Heightism is almost as bad as racism, esp. because people can be heightist in public. He describes the view of him as a "mouse," "manlet," which implies he was small. Lucky for me, I managed to get laid, at 23, in a ONS, and I tried hard to improve. Something tells me this guy's therapist hasn't pushed him to change his personality/social flaws enough to get with anyone. UCSD is a big school: he should be able to get a ONS. I also lowered my standards, this kid doesn't look like he did at all. But still, heightism must be explored.


Nobody, male of female, needs sex. You can be happy without it. Your belief (that men need sex) is an example of the same entitlement mindset that leads to violence against women.



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25 May 2014, 12:41 am

Rodney00 wrote:
I think the problem here is psychiatry and psychology tends to attract lazy types, people looking for a lifestyle job. Not all of them, but too many of them. I've had several of them, some of who were good, some of who thought I was going to figure out things, and they sat back and laughed, enjoyed the money, etc.

Also, we should hear how tall he is. I in no way justify anything he did, but heightism against men is far more brutal than weightism against women, who can lose and change. We all know men NEED sex for mental health and stability. Heightism is almost as bad as racism, esp. because people can be heightist in public. He describes the view of him as a "mouse," "manlet," which implies he was small. Lucky for me, I managed to get laid, at 23, in a ONS, and I tried hard to improve. Something tells me this guy's therapist hasn't pushed him to change his personality/social flaws enough to get with anyone. UCSD is a big school: he should be able to get a ONS. I also lowered my standards, this kid doesn't look like he did at all. But still, heightism must be explored.


Jesus H. Christ.

Some self-awareness, man. Please.



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25 May 2014, 12:43 am

IN DEFENSE OF KNOWGLAS: I don't think that he is trying to justify the killer's feelings, just explain them. Saying, "This is the way it is," is not the same as saying, "This is the way it should be." I don't understand where the anger or offense comes from against his posts.

btw, I think the killer was one sick [insert expletive of your choice]. Anybody who can plan and execute an attack like that was seriously out of touch with reality.



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25 May 2014, 12:47 am

Bloody existentialists.



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25 May 2014, 12:50 am

AardvarkGoodSwimmer wrote:
Archdevilius wrote:
Last but not least, don't be afraid to go to a sex worker if you are so intent on sex, there is a stigma in the US against them but you just need to see it as social skills training. The sex worker is someone helping you build technique and confidence for when you are faced with other women. As long as no one is being solicited, I believe it's fine, do you really think those women in expensive bars in New York are with bankers or stock brokers for their recitation of poetry or understanding of Shakespeare?

I think Archdevilius is trying to set up a fallback position and provide some middle-of-the-road advice.  This is the kind of advice I often strive to give.


I think he's never been in such a bar or met such people. I think he has a sad, deluded, adolescent fantasy involving rich bankers and models, like it's Bright Lights, Big City all over again. I don't think he's got any idea who these people actually are. I do, because I was trained, way back when, to become one of them. And while it's true that poetry-recitation isn't their strength (though their schools do shovel in the culture along the way), most of them are grinds with families, and yeah, a good deal of Shakespeare-appreciation goes on in those circles.

AD's trying to set up some picture of "all women are whores", but mostly what he's showing is that he's not only full of vicious thoughts about men and women, but seriously naive.



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25 May 2014, 12:53 am

*sigh* This isn't going to help with the stereotypes one bit esspecially when I got asked one time that have I shot up schools lately.


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25 May 2014, 1:06 am

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And by the way, this whole alpha male bull phenomenon is a US sensation, most non Western women are happy to find a good guy.

US women are not just a baffle to US men but they baffle the entire world when they go for douches, most of the MTV douches would be seen as vulgar and unattractive in other cultures and communities.

In Asia or certain parts of Europe, you will find a nicer women and there's a ninety five percent chance she will fulfil your desires better.


Controlling men do this. They go to other countries where women are considered second class in order to "get" a woman to control. I see men do this ESPECIALLY in places where the women often have no choice but to either go with a well off abuser or die due to starvation. It's DISGUSTING, and these men are USERS AND ABUSERS.


Yep. Also, Archdevlious, tell me, when's the last time you were in "Asia or certain parts of Europe"?


I have never been to Asia but I go to Europe at least once a month



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25 May 2014, 1:14 am

I only believe in defensive violence . What he did was horrible and pointless hurting of people. I have hard time killing insects. I can't possible understand how someone can kill another human not out of defense.

I tend to feel i Deserve a gf , though I don't feel I'm entitled to have one or will every get one. for the fact of they are a person. I feel i deserve friends but i don't expect any. Its like a person feeling they deserve a promotion. doesn't' mean they'll get it.

I don't feel resentment is linked to entitlement. I have resentment towards some women not cause I feel i was entitled to them but cause of how they treated me. I do have resentment time to time towards women who treat guys as objects.

overall though violence wasn't the answer here. the guy seemed to think he should have any woman he wants. Reality is one must accept some people are out of you're league, his attitude that he's owed sex is disturbing, I imagine women would be turned off by that. I always blamed my virginity on me. I bet there were places he could have gone with his money and nice car and got a woman to have sex with him. It seems to me his only problem was his attitude. Hate to say it about a bad person, but he doesn't look that bad, apparently went to college, nice looking car, seems to be in shape and have money. so it would seem it was his personality or just needing to find the right woman. I certainly wouldn't have wanted to be his friend though.



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25 May 2014, 1:17 am

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Archdevilius wrote:
And by the way, this whole alpha male bull phenomenon is a US sensation, most non Western women are happy to find a good guy.

US women are not just a baffle to US men but they baffle the entire world when they go for douches, most of the MTV douches would be seen as vulgar and unattractive in other cultures and communities.

In Asia or certain parts of Europe, you will find a nicer women and there's a ninety five percent chance she will fulfil your desires better.


Controlling men do this. They go to other countries where women are considered second class in order to "get" a woman to control. I see men do this ESPECIALLY in places where the women often have no choice but to either go with a well off abuser or die due to starvation. It's DISGUSTING, and these men are USERS AND ABUSERS.


This is a misconception.

I am involved with a woman who is a strong independent woman and I'm certainly not the boss of anyone. Viewing a partnership as an equal effort that requires consistent tending instead of expecting everything to be perfect or having a sense of entitlement. The trouble with our society is that many people want what is convenient and have romanticized views of love or an ideal partner, this leaves them divorced, unhappy and confused at why they haven't fulfilled their idealistic expectations of finding the perfect marriage.

Why do you see people that date outside of their culture as something that isn't positive? Do you have any statistics to back that up?



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25 May 2014, 1:38 am

Imagine what generalizations and magnifications could occur the next time a mother sends a car with her children into a lake. And, how would those generalizations be received?



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25 May 2014, 1:42 am

The fact is it isn't the fault of anyone but the fault of how they are conditioned, sex shouldn't be something that is used as leverage to define the value of others or manipulate people. There's nothing wrong with seeing a sex worker to build your confidence and technique, it should be legalized and not seen as a stigma. I have never seen a sex worker as I don't require to but I think it would be great for people like this as it would take away some of the peer pressure and allow the person to experience sex.

Men need to stop being so desperate for sex and start using their minds to think and assigning their value as people towards it. Men have no problems with seeing an attractive female and allowing sexual relations to happen right away. This is because society accepts that men are sexually upfront. Females in the sexual sense are virtually the same as men, but society put stipulations on females to control them, as society was basically started by men long ago. This was to prevent females from being like men and having multiple sex partners and made it easier for men to dominate females in society. But that plan has actually back-fired, because females have an easier time controlling their sexual impulses than men biologically. What has happened now, is that females have learned how to give out just enough signals to lead a man on and hold the rest back until they have control.



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25 May 2014, 1:46 am

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He was very particular and deliberate in the lives he was taking, though.

He was a misogynist. Have you seen the video? You could write up much of it as standard stuff on here (and elsewhere).

Transcript copy-pasted from the thread on the shooting in News:

"Hi, Elliot Rodger here.

Well? this is my last video. It all has to come to this.

Tomorrow is the day of retribution. The day in which I will have my revenge against humanity. Against all of you.

For the last 8 years of my life, ever since I?ve hit puberty, I?ve been forced to endure an existence of loneliness, rejection, and unfulfilled desires. All because girls have never been attracted to me.

Girls gave their affection, and sex, and love, to other men but never to me.

I?m 22 years old and I?m still a virgin. I?ve never even kissed a girl.

I?ve been through college for two and a half years, more than that actually, and I?m still a virgin.

It has been very torturous.

College is the time when everyone experiences those things such as sex, and fun, and pleasure. But in those years I?ve had to rot in loneliness.

It?s not fair. You girls have never been attracted to me.

I don?t know why you girls aren?t attracted to me, but I will punish you all for it.

It?s an injustice, a crime, because I don?t know what you don?t see in me. I?m the perfect guy, and yet you throw yourselves at all these obnoxious men, instead of me, the supreme gentlemen.

I will punish all of you for it. (laughs)

On the day of retribution I am going to enter the hottest sorority house of UCSB? and I will slaughter every single spoiled, stuck-up, blonde slut I see inside there.

All those girls that I?ve desired so much, they would?ve all rejected me and looked down upon me as an inferior man if I ever made a sexual advance towards them while they throw themselves at these obnoxious brutes.

I will take great pleasure in slaughtering all of you.

You will finally see that I am in truth the superior one. The true alpha male. (laughs)

Yes, after I?ve annihilated every single girl in the sorority house, I?ll take to the streets of Isla Vista, and slay every single person I see there.

All those popular kids who live such lives of hedonistic pleasure while I?ve had to rot in loneliness for all these years, they?ve all looked down upon me every time I try to go out and join them. They?ve all treated me like a mouse.

Well now, I will be a God compared to you. You will all be animals. You are animals, and I will slaughter you like animals. I will be a God, exacting my retribution, on all those who deserve it.

And you do deserve it, just for the crime of living a better life than me.

All you popular kids. You?ve never accepted me, and now you?ll all pay for it.

And girls, all I?ve ever wanted was to love you, and to be loved by you. I?ve wanted a girlfriend, I?ve wanted sex, I?ve wanted love, affection, adoration, but you think I?m unworthy of it.

That?s a crime that can never be forgiven.

If I can?t have you, girls, I will destroy you. (laughs)

You denied me a happy life, and in turn, I will deny all of you life. (laughs) It?s only fair.

I hate all of you, humanity is a disgusting, wretched, depraved species. If I had it in my power, I would stop at nothing, to reduce every single one of you to mountains of skulls and rivers of blood, and rightfully so.

You deserve to be annihilated. And I?ll give that to you.

You never showed me any mercy, and so I will show you none. (laughs)

You force me to suffer all my life, and now I?ll make you all suffer.

I?ve waited a long time for this.

I?ll give you exactly what you deserve."
I lost my virginity at 17 and kissed several girls *whew* at least im not like him! But on a more serious note i think he should have gotten counceling and re evaluate his actions and behavior but its too late he went ape s**t and went virginia tech shooting style and upholding more negative stereotypes of aspies!


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25 May 2014, 2:07 am

Focus on being attractive to yourself and the universe first.



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25 May 2014, 3:16 am

Is this a nice guys debate thread yet? I'm thinking it is.


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25 May 2014, 3:35 am

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Is this a nice guys debate thread yet? I'm thinking it is.


The truth of the matter is that the US media wants to blame Autism for the murders because they can't accept that gun legislation laws need to change in the United States because there are billions of weapons manufacturers who benefit and make big money out of guns. The US need to focus more on social care instead of just boycotting people until they are ready to go out and kill. The United States can't accept responsibility for their lack of gun control, lack of social care and medical care towards those who are on the spectrum.

America's hedonism, materialism, vanity and value on the outside appearance of what you have or who you look is the source of the problem. On top of that, California is probably the worst place for anyone on the spectrum.

That's why we need to acquire resources before attacking, we need to be angry but not angry to pick up a gun but angry to open our minds, to liberate others. We need to prove we are superior to the neurotypical but not with a gun, we need to know to do with our minds, our intellect.

He's gone now, we can't help him now, we could have showed him he could have had his vengeance without pulling a trigger, without taking another life. We need to focus on helping people in this community so they don't go out and kill a bunch of people, instead of stigmatizing them.

We lost one of our own yesterday, he does require justice and what he did is inexcusable of justice but maybe if we had been open and more supportive instead of bickering or judging each other on here, we could have prevented this tragedy.