Is a career required for a relationship?

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^ Yes, they matter but are no guarantees.
Lacking social skills mean that you even need those even more than others, otherwise you be seen failure in everything.

If I have one regret - it's that saying and meaning that these things don't matter to me. I selected poorly partly because of this. I wouldn't make the same mistake again.

since i'm interested in casual dating, I don't think my income would matter so much

I am 25 and quite certain I wont be going for that by the time I am 26, I like long hair and as a rule they'd probably prove to be more intresting than say a lawyer or something and how many people in a field like that are going to want to go out with someone like me so luckily that is not what I am attracted to anyways.....and think I'd still prefer the first example...I also disagree with the second paragraph, I would not prefer someone with a regular profession but I more care about the person not what they do at work unless its something really unethical and screwed up.

But I suppose what you say might apply to a lot of females.

this doesn't make it right though. but yeah a lot of them won't consider guys like me cause thise. which is why its so hopeless.


maybe over there in in the uk. but the us doesn't seem to do clubs. theres meetup.com but its really lacking in my area for a non book reading non athletic guy.


where? groups? i've joined a few gun/prepper along with a gaming group but its just people posting links and stuff. and most women there are married, plus facebook isn't really for trying to met women. they tend to find it creepy if guys randomly message them.
yeah theres not enough data to make a risk/benifit decision. I also have no idea what to talk about with them. this is why i do online dating. you get a lot of info about them along with talking points. and you know they are single so you won't get slapped or attacked by a bf.


its a rich ish area. they also have their graduation paid for by parents to have at the concert hall in town. my highschool is dirt poor so just has it on the football field, which we share with the rich school cause they too cheap to pay for one lol



depends. I honestly though i'd get out and get a good job as a mechanic, only started to realize i would't a year into the program. if i'd gone in visted a shop or something before hand i could probably saved my time and money. now i'll spend the rest of my life paying off a degree i don't use.

yeah its not a guarantee but for most women its viewed as bad it feels. but yeah we all know women who date questionable men this doesn't mean that all women will date such men.
if 95% won't date fat guys and you say well 5% will date fat guys so 5 out of a hundred fat guys can get dates, but the other 95 won't.
just made up numbers but my point is just cause a few women will date guys with ______ doesn't mean all guys with ______ will get gfs.
then add into that we as aspies suck at social stuff. where most of the guys who have no jobs and get girls are really good socially. my friend and uncle are good examples. they are as*holes and jobless, but they are super good at being social and wooing girls so it bypasses the jobless . this doesn't work for all. so as boo said if you can't woo women and lack at social stuff and have no job you are screwed. if i was good socially i'm sure i could just go to bars and try to meet women, but i can't so i go to online dating. where they demand you have a decent job, car and own place before you can message them. its super frustrating.

That your husband didn't have a career? I recall you saying that you won't divorce him because you're financially dependant on him.

women wanting to settle down, get married and start a family then definetley yes

Living with roommates differs from living with mom/dad because you are:
1) earning enough money to not live with mom/dad, ie to cover first/last month deposit, monthly rent, your share of the bills, etc.
2) you have the skills to take care of yourself, ie manage money, clean the bathroom, cook for yourself, demonstrate your social skills are such that folks who are NOT obligated to put up with you CHOOSE to do so, etc. (mom/dad are required to feed/clothe/house you if you're under 18, no matter how obnoxious/filthy/PITA you are; roomies are not obligated to do so.

I consider an adult to be gainfully employed if they earn enough to support themselves, save a little for the future, live independently (not with mom/dad) and have a life. There's no exact income threshold to do that.

Yes, men without jobs or high paying jobs attract women at bars but they have the social skills and understand the processes.

The internet attracts people that target people with money but you have to ask yourself two questions.

1. Why are attractive girls on dating sites?
2. Why are they always single?

Sometimes it isn't because they struggle in social situations but because they have unrealistic expectations placed on the opposite sex. Online dating is superficial when compared with real life but real life interactions judge you by your body language and social skills so online dating is the only way for some of us.

Now days there are more female graduates than there are male graduates. The academic minority of male gender that have remarkable earning power are taken off market by pretty women and prettily smart women. That leaves other smart women looking for their ideal matches of non existent in the dating market within the Anglo sphere.

In a sense, they are searching for a man that doesn't exist because of feminism.

1. I pay half the bills. mom pays other half, sister pays 100 a month to my mom. we are more like roomates then family which creates trouble sometimes.
2. my mom hasn't done any of that except cleaning the bathroom. well we use to split cooking between the 3 of us, but now its mostly me who has to cook most of the meals. I should probably clean more but i take a more preactive view to cleaning, so i hate having to clean up after them when they let it get bad. I'd rather was my dishes each time for example then stack them up. its a dream of mine to live on my own and only own two plates/cups/bowls/etc. one to use and one as a back up.

idk my friend lived with me and I had to pay for most his food and drinks and other s**t. cause I cared for him and didn't want him to starve i imagine most roommates would feel this way after living together for so long.

i just don't see how men and bob living together splitting the bills is different then me and mom living together splitting the bills. together then my mom is far less likely to kill me while i sleep then stranger bob is.

I had managed to save funds, which I'm slowly burning thru why looking for full time work, though its mostly cause i'm cheap never having had much money growing up so I try to save all i can by not going out, not eating fast food, not going to expensive shows etc. i'd rather save for things I enjoy more anyways.

just proves that i'm worthless no matter what I do. oh death where art thou. though living is nice, but I just seem to be wasting oxygen.

You are only in your early twenties, there's still plenty of time to achieve what you want.

People are going to struggle more and more with finding work in a world with an alarmingly increasing population. Power and finances can be illusory in today's society, people can have expensive cars on finance despite being in debt. Maybe you would be better starting your own entrepreneurial business with your mechanical skills?

Haha, no income threshold to afford that? are you serious or you're just living in the past/under a rock? How old are you? You sound like those oldies who lecture on the youngsters how they lived independent at 18 without taking into consideration how the world economy is 10x times worse than their days.

Tell that to guys who live in countries where horrible appartments in cities cost at least $200k with a very low GDP per capita; high education went up crazily too.

In my region, the only young and single ones I know who could live totally independently on their own, are the ones who have rich parents.

Living with roomates means renting with others, and rental burns your money without adding any asset property for you - so guys who plan to get married don't go that route because they need to save as much money as they can in order to buy a place.

That's very similar in Russia! And that's terrible.

Does it mean that it's more acceptable to live with your parents over there?

House installement here costs around $800-1000 per month over 20 years, average salary for the fairly experienced with a uni degree is around $1500 per month, the car's installement can cost from $150 to 400, depending on the model and how many limit credit left for you.

What many couples do here, is to dedicate one income for those costs and the other income for the other living costs; but here's the issue: You need to be a couple in the first place. If you are a single individual with an average income, it's quasi impossible to do both, a second income is needed.
Hence why marriage here had been the only ticket for full independence for many for so long.