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17 Aug 2015, 4:06 am

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No, that's nonsense...all us females are exactly the same regardless of neurotype and have the exact same taste in guys, want the exact same things and there is no variation among it period. lol, joking but it would seem some people believe that.

It would be helpful if you provided some examples in what way are your preferences different. Are you specifically looking for someone shorter than you? Or maybe you'd like a boyfriend who makes less money?



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17 Aug 2015, 4:17 am

like or disliking a person depends upon your understanding not in external looking I think....



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17 Aug 2015, 4:34 am

I cant be bothered with these labels. I simply want to be free to realise this life to its fullest. I am in a small minority of price discoverers in the markets...thats about as selective as you can get in earning a crust.I used to be a tax lawyer. Am I an Alpha. I think unlikely. I dont have a competitive bone in my body....competing bores me. So that pretty much puts me on the sidelines as I am not exactly your Wall Street hotshot although I could run rings around them if I chose.

I think its important to really connect with someone if you want a meaningful life....but that not easy for us as we arent really equipped for the NT world. I can pretend to be an alpha but I would rather someone liked me for who I am as I am not an Alpha.



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17 Aug 2015, 4:39 am

I can't pretend, my omeganess is utterly transparent and will not be hidden.



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17 Aug 2015, 4:43 am

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I can't pretend, my omeganess is utterly transparent and will not be hidden.


I suspect that lying is the only option if you can pull it off. Relationships are mostly quite superficial. you're lucky if you can meet someone who wants to go deeper.



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17 Aug 2015, 4:48 am

I'm a rotten liar/actor. i can't do appropriate body language either automatically nor per any script. I can't help being just the way god made me, for good or ill. at least I am fairly confident [since I patently have nothing I can offer anybody except love] that if somebody does take a shine to me, that it is more likely to be genuine and lacking ulterior motives. :alien:



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17 Aug 2015, 4:51 am

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I'm a rotten liar/actor. i can't do appropriate body language either automatically nor per any script. I can't help being just the way god made me, for good or ill. at least I am fairly confident [since I patently have nothing I can offer anybody except love] that if somebody does take a shine to me, that it is more likely to be genuine and lacking ulterior motives. :alien:


Genuine connecting is a real gift from the gods and Im an atheist. :lol:



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17 Aug 2015, 5:00 am

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I'm a rotten liar/actor. i can't do appropriate body language either automatically nor per any script. I can't help being just the way god made me, for good or ill. at least I am fairly confident [since I patently have nothing I can offer anybody except love] that if somebody does take a shine to me, that it is more likely to be genuine and lacking ulterior motives. :alien:


Genuine connecting is a real gift from the gods and Im an atheist. :lol:

not to "convert" you or proselytize, but I sincerely wished I could impart onto you the peaceful vibes I get. if it were not for my belief I simply could not cope. you are probably much stronger than me. from one aspie to another I hope you have no pain, only good feelings. :star:



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17 Aug 2015, 5:03 am

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I'm a rotten liar/actor. i can't do appropriate body language either automatically nor per any script. I can't help being just the way god made me, for good or ill. at least I am fairly confident [since I patently have nothing I can offer anybody except love] that if somebody does take a shine to me, that it is more likely to be genuine and lacking ulterior motives. :alien:


Genuine connecting is a real gift from the gods and Im an atheist. :lol:

not to "convert" you or proselytize, but I sincerely wished I could impart onto you the peaceful vibes I get.


How does that work or is it a state of mind. I can handle mind stuff...esoteric mysticism I have problems grasping.



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17 Aug 2015, 5:10 am

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I'm a rotten liar/actor. i can't do appropriate body language either automatically nor per any script. I can't help being just the way god made me, for good or ill. at least I am fairly confident [since I patently have nothing I can offer anybody except love] that if somebody does take a shine to me, that it is more likely to be genuine and lacking ulterior motives. :alien:


Genuine connecting is a real gift from the gods and Im an atheist. :lol:

not to "convert" you or proselytize, but I sincerely wished I could impart onto you the peaceful vibes I get. if it were not for my belief I simply could not cope. you are probably much stronger than me. from one aspie to another I hope you have no pain, only good feelings. :star:


How does that work or is it a state of mind. I can handle mind stuff...esoteric mysticism I have problems grasping.

you are too fast for me fumbled fingered slow typing/thinking. anyways, my belief [and the peace I get from it], something I did not grok until I became old and my brain mellowed out enough for it to enter me, is a state of mind, one I believe is from outside of myself, from a more refined place. I struggled against it for decades, stupidly. I guess I just had to be worn down by life before I could consider it. I would not mind being smarter and quicker. anyways, it is my chief means of coping with my life as it has been up to now. it is belief in an ultimate intelligence/purpose that manifests as self-love/acceptance that I spent 99% of my life lacking. it is surrender to something greater. my words are clumsy here, I hope my meaning is still clear.



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17 Aug 2015, 5:28 am

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I'm a rotten liar/actor. i can't do appropriate body language either automatically nor per any script. I can't help being just the way god made me, for good or ill. at least I am fairly confident [since I patently have nothing I can offer anybody except love] that if somebody does take a shine to me, that it is more likely to be genuine and lacking ulterior motives. :alien:


Genuine connecting is a real gift from the gods and Im an atheist. :lol:

not to "convert" you or proselytize, but I sincerely wished I could impart onto you the peaceful vibes I get. if it were not for my belief I simply could not cope. you are probably much stronger than me. from one aspie to another I hope you have no pain, only good feelings. :star:


How does that work or is it a state of mind. I can handle mind stuff...esoteric mysticism I have problems grasping.

you are too fast for me fumbled fingered slow typing/thinking. anyways, my belief [and the peace I get from it], something I did not grok until I became old and my brain mellowed out enough for it to enter me, is a state of mind, one I believe is from outside of myself, from a more refined place. I struggled against it for decades, stupidly. I guess I just had to be worn down by life before I could consider it. I would not mind being smarter and quicker. anyways, it is my chief means of coping with my life as it has been up to now. it is belief in an ultimate intelligence/purpose that manifests as self-love/acceptance that I spent 99% of my life lacking. it is surrender to something greater. my words are clumsy here, I hope my meaning is still clear.


Definitely. I guess I am sort of getting there as well although I guess I react differently to that self acceptance. My little girl makes me feel very lucky in a surrendering sort of way. But relationships dont gel with me anymore mostly because I have found that there are an awful lot of loony toons out there.In contrast my little girl gives selflessly to me..kids huh. Innocent minds.



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17 Aug 2015, 5:30 am

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Thats something I have to work through. Dating has never been an issue with me...but the inordinate self destructive emotionalism of NT partners has always been a source of conflict for me.


inordinate self destructive emotionalism

explain this I've never heard of that.


Ill give you an example. In one of my relationships, there was a history of non emotional abuse by the father. However, the wall of denial and her identification with her abuser defied logic to the point where I ended up bearing her burden of anger which should have been directed at her father.

If I learnt anything its that I should have paid heed to my inner alarm bells at the outset. Instead I went along, playing to the myths that drive relationships in NT society. I tend to largely disregard NT values unless they accord with my notion of cause and effect....I have had too many run ins to not be the wiser.

I cant imagine what high subjectivity feels like. However, I do not want to continue to suffer unduly because of it.


doubt most nts are crazy like that.

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Put your foot down, be the boss, take charge and stand up for yourself and women will respect you and want you more!They do their crap to test you and want you to stand up and be a man, so be a man! If you dont they will see you as a doormat and walk all over you stand up, be firm and proud and dont be afraid to say what she does you dont like!


I dont agree. Women who live in their emotions and that essentially captures NT women want conformity...you may the boss but you are still a conforming boss....its almost impossible being true to yourself in many relationships which is why it pays to make sure that any partnership is founded on mature notions and not the stuff that makes myths.
They dont want you to be yourself they want you to change yourself for them to the point you dont know who you are anymore then they will want to control you, they dont care if you are happy or want you to be happy they just want to be happy at the expense of your happyness!



yeah women are really uncaring towards guys. :(



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17 Aug 2015, 5:33 am

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Definitely. I guess I am sort of getting there as well although I guess I react differently to that self acceptance. My little girl makes me feel very lucky in a surrendering sort of way. But relationships dont gel with me anymore mostly because I have found that there are an awful lot of loony toons out there.In contrast my little girl gives selflessly to me..kids huh. Innocent minds.

you are so fortunate to have the ability to parent, to have a mini-you that is your contribution to the good in the world, your purchase on the future, your flesh and blood that is in your corner. kids seem to be creeped out by me. always have.



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17 Aug 2015, 5:41 am

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Definitely. I guess I am sort of getting there as well although I guess I react differently to that self acceptance. My little girl makes me feel very lucky in a surrendering sort of way. But relationships dont gel with me anymore mostly because I have found that there are an awful lot of loony toons out there.In contrast my little girl gives selflessly to me..kids huh. Innocent minds.

you are so fortunate to have the ability to parent, to have a mini-you that is your contribution to the good in the world, your purchase on the future, your flesh and blood that is in your corner. kids seem to be creeped out by me. always have.


Im lucky as I kinda relate at her level....I still see the world through the eyes of a kid...Im a dad when it matters but also can reach out to that playful side in her. Its way better than any romantic relationship...very genuine as it reaches the real person in me.

Yeah, Im lucky. :)



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Im lucky as I kinda relate at her level....I still see the world through the eyes of a kid...Im a dad when it matters but also can reach out to that playful side in her. Its way better than any romantic relationship...very genuine as it reaches the real person in me. Yeah, Im lucky. :)

I have the same problems relating to kids as I do adults but for different reasons. in the next lifetime I am fairly confident I will get a better break. then I can be a real human. :alien:



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17 Aug 2015, 5:47 am

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Im lucky as I kinda relate at her level....I still see the world through the eyes of a kid...Im a dad when it matters but also can reach out to that playful side in her. Its way better than any romantic relationship...very genuine as it reaches the real person in me. Yeah, Im lucky. :)

I have the same problems relating to kids as I do adults but for different reasons. in the next lifetime I am fairly confident I will get a better break. then I can be a real human. :alien:


You are a real human mate...probably a lot more closer to what evolution contemplates than you realise. This planet is not an easy place for us at the moment.