A tip for women who want to know who are their admirers.

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28 Sep 2015, 3:22 pm

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Go to Facebook, check your inbox, you see all those guys of your age range who are either friends, acquaintances, friends of friends who sent you "Hi/hello/Something" - to whom you probably replied very briefly or even never replied? (Not counting the total random strangers)

Those are your male admirers, guys who are interested to get to know you more :lol:.

Hurtloam, go check it now.


No, those are the guys that want to have sex with you and nothing else. True admirers don't operate like that. :wink:

Smart girls will fake a FB account, fill it with pictures of a super-hot model, sends a friend request from it to the guy that claims to admire her, and then if he takes the bait he is out. :mrgreen:


That sounds like a lot of effort and trickery...not only is making fake facebook profiles looked down upon you can even get banned(so not exactly something I see 'smart' people doing). Then using it to trick guys into responding so you can then go 'OMG they responded to the fake hot chick who talked to them' and judge them as some sex crazed lunatic.


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28 Sep 2015, 3:28 pm

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That sounds like a lot of effort and trickery...not only is making fake facebook profiles looked down upon you can even get banned(so not exactly something I see 'smart' people doing). Then using it to trick guys into responding so you can then go 'OMG they responded to the fake hot chick who talked to them' and judge them as some sex crazed lunatic.


Another way to do it is to let a hot friend try to seduce the guy IRL. That's probably even more efficient, and won't put junk on FB. :mrgreen:

Both methods works to expose fake admirers, or illoyal potential partners before things go wrong. Dating doesn't do any good in that respect.

Making fun of the failures doesn't need to be part of the picture, but if they thrive on that, why not? :wink:



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28 Sep 2015, 4:45 pm

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I never criticized your approach to relationships, you criticized other approaches!


Well, I have to. Newbies come here all the time being indoctrinated by the usual dating scripts. What else do you expect me to do other than present alternatives? It's not like there is nobody supporting the usual dating scripts here either, so I don't need to take that role.

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I never tried to convert asexual people, you are the one who goes around telling sexual people that sex is pointless unless it's for procreating, failing to understand that it's not so for them


I'm well aware of the function of sex as bonding in typical people, but there are many defenders of this here. Again, I play the "devils advocate" and present alternatives to bonding with sex, which clearly exists but are poorly known.

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and you were only spared this because nature made you an asexual.


I'm not asexual in the typical sense of the word. I have a normal sex drive, but it isn't geared towards sexual intercourse. That's an additional issue that people need to know. People can find sexual intercourse disgusting and still have a normal sex drive.

I don't mind alternatives, I just don't approve this bashing of people who don't follow such alternatives. But for the reasons that I said, keeping discussing is pointless.



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28 Sep 2015, 5:24 pm

rdos wrote:
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That sounds like a lot of effort and trickery...not only is making fake facebook profiles looked down upon you can even get banned(so not exactly something I see 'smart' people doing). Then using it to trick guys into responding so you can then go 'OMG they responded to the fake hot chick who talked to them' and judge them as some sex crazed lunatic.


Another way to do it is to let a hot friend try to seduce the guy IRL. That's probably even more efficient, and won't put junk on FB. :mrgreen:

Both methods works to expose fake admirers, or illoyal potential partners before things go wrong. Dating doesn't do any good in that respect.

Making fun of the failures doesn't need to be part of the picture, but if they thrive on that, why not? :wink:



Having interest doesn't equate commitment, it's not a relationship nor marriage.

Having sex with a woman other than the subject of interest is not cheating as long there's no relationship with the latter

I have romantic interest in some few girls, but I had short term with others than those.

So if some girl I perceive attractive seduces me for sex I would probably go for it even if she's not my crush. Remember, she's just a crush, not my wife



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28 Sep 2015, 6:47 pm

rdos wrote:
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That sounds like a lot of effort and trickery...not only is making fake facebook profiles looked down upon you can even get banned(so not exactly something I see 'smart' people doing). Then using it to trick guys into responding so you can then go 'OMG they responded to the fake hot chick who talked to them' and judge them as some sex crazed lunatic.


Another way to do it is to let a hot friend try to seduce the guy IRL. That's probably even more efficient, and won't put junk on FB. :mrgreen:

Both methods works to expose fake admirers, or illoyal potential partners before things go wrong. Dating doesn't do any good in that respect.

Making fun of the failures doesn't need to be part of the picture, but if they thrive on that, why not? :wink:


Not nessisarily, just because someone 'admires' someone and is attracted to them does not mean that is the only person they're interested in. Maybe their reason to give in to the seduction from the hot friend is they get the impression there is some mutual interest whereas even if they like you....if you don't seem intrested than sure they'll give another women who does a chance. Of course it is possible they are more looking for sex and just willing to get with whoever seems most likely to jump into that....but cannot say for sure.

Also though I imagine a guy might be kind of bothered if he found out his girlfriend initially tried to trick him to fall for a 'friend' or acquaintance acting interested and flirting. I imagine a lot of guys would see it as a red flag they may have their head/feelings played with more if they stay with said girlfriend.

Also what if:
a. you don't have a 'hot' friend
b. you are the hot friend
c. you have no female friends
d. none of your female friends are willing


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28 Sep 2015, 7:38 pm

Sweetleaf wrote:
rdos wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
That sounds like a lot of effort and trickery...not only is making fake facebook profiles looked down upon you can even get banned(so not exactly something I see 'smart' people doing). Then using it to trick guys into responding so you can then go 'OMG they responded to the fake hot chick who talked to them' and judge them as some sex crazed lunatic.


Another way to do it is to let a hot friend try to seduce the guy IRL. That's probably even more efficient, and won't put junk on FB. :mrgreen:

Both methods works to expose fake admirers, or illoyal potential partners before things go wrong. Dating doesn't do any good in that respect.

Making fun of the failures doesn't need to be part of the picture, but if they thrive on that, why not? :wink:


Not nessisarily, just because someone 'admires' someone and is attracted to them does not mean that is the only person they're interested in. Maybe their reason to give in to the seduction from the hot friend is they get the impression there is some mutual interest whereas even if they like you....if you don't seem intrested than sure they'll give another women who does a chance. Of course it is possible they are more looking for sex and just willing to get with whoever seems most likely to jump into that....but cannot say for sure.

Also though I imagine a guy might be kind of bothered if he found out his girlfriend initially tried to trick him to fall for a 'friend' or acquaintance acting interested and flirting. I imagine a lot of guys would see it as a red flag they may have their head/feelings played with more if they stay with said girlfriend.

Also what if:
a. you don't have a 'hot' friend
b. you are the hot friend
c. you have no female friends
d. none of your female friends are willing


If you're at the point of sending a "hot" friend to seduce your partner, the trust is long gone and you should probably just break up with them.



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28 Sep 2015, 7:48 pm

Oh dayum...no admirers. *cries*



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29 Sep 2015, 1:08 am

rdos is talking as if the guy has to be sexually loyal for a crush who isn't his girlfriend yet and might never be; that's crazy talk.
There's nothing wrong if he desires the crush's hot friend if the latter offers the opportunity, so this test is lame.



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29 Sep 2015, 2:05 am

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
rdos wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
That sounds like a lot of effort and trickery...not only is making fake facebook profiles looked down upon you can even get banned(so not exactly something I see 'smart' people doing). Then using it to trick guys into responding so you can then go 'OMG they responded to the fake hot chick who talked to them' and judge them as some sex crazed lunatic.


Another way to do it is to let a hot friend try to seduce the guy IRL. That's probably even more efficient, and won't put junk on FB. :mrgreen:

Both methods works to expose fake admirers, or illoyal potential partners before things go wrong. Dating doesn't do any good in that respect.

Making fun of the failures doesn't need to be part of the picture, but if they thrive on that, why not? :wink:



Having interest doesn't equate commitment, it's not a relationship nor marriage.

Having sex with a woman other than the subject of interest is not cheating as long there's no relationship with the latter

I have romantic interest in some few girls, but I had short term with others than those.

So if some girl I perceive attractive seduces me for sex I would probably go for it even if she's not my crush. Remember, she's just a crush, not my wife


Great, Boo. Your objections to the idea shows that it works as a way to select-out those that reason like you do above (which is the majority of NTs and quite a few Aspies as well). I'd say this is a superior method that only a true ND could come up with. :mrgreen:



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29 Sep 2015, 2:09 am

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
rdos is talking as if the guy has to be sexually loyal for a crush who isn't his girlfriend yet and might never be; that's crazy talk.


I'm loyal in every way to a crush. Not by choice either.

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
There's nothing wrong if he desires the crush's hot friend if the latter offers the opportunity, so this test is lame.


You don't think there is something wrong with it, but I find everything wrong with it and there are no valid excuses.



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29 Sep 2015, 2:13 am

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If you're at the point of sending a "hot" friend to seduce your partner, the trust is long gone and you should probably just break up with them.


1. I'm a guy, and I wouldn't send a guy to check-out a potential girlfriend
2. This should be done in the courtship phase, not when you are together
3. I've passed both versions of it, and I simply love the girl for coming up with such a devious plan. :mrgreen:



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29 Sep 2015, 2:20 am

MissZahara wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
rdos wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
That sounds like a lot of effort and trickery...not only is making fake facebook profiles looked down upon you can even get banned(so not exactly something I see 'smart' people doing). Then using it to trick guys into responding so you can then go 'OMG they responded to the fake hot chick who talked to them' and judge them as some sex crazed lunatic.


Another way to do it is to let a hot friend try to seduce the guy IRL. That's probably even more efficient, and won't put junk on FB. :mrgreen:

Both methods works to expose fake admirers, or illoyal potential partners before things go wrong. Dating doesn't do any good in that respect.

Making fun of the failures doesn't need to be part of the picture, but if they thrive on that, why not? :wink:


Not nessisarily, just because someone 'admires' someone and is attracted to them does not mean that is the only person they're interested in. Maybe their reason to give in to the seduction from the hot friend is they get the impression there is some mutual interest whereas even if they like you....if you don't seem intrested than sure they'll give another women who does a chance. Of course it is possible they are more looking for sex and just willing to get with whoever seems most likely to jump into that....but cannot say for sure.

Also though I imagine a guy might be kind of bothered if he found out his girlfriend initially tried to trick him to fall for a 'friend' or acquaintance acting interested and flirting. I imagine a lot of guys would see it as a red flag they may have their head/feelings played with more if they stay with said girlfriend.

Also what if:
a. you don't have a 'hot' friend
b. you are the hot friend
c. you have no female friends
d. none of your female friends are willing


If you're at the point of sending a "hot" friend to seduce your partner, the trust is long gone and you should probably just break up with them.

I would agree with that.....though I was under the impression it was sending a hot friend to seduce a potential 'date' so before even being in a relationship.


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29 Sep 2015, 2:21 am

Sweetleaf wrote:
Also though I imagine a guy might be kind of bothered if he found out his girlfriend initially tried to trick him to fall for a 'friend' or acquaintance acting interested and flirting.


People that pass it will not be bothered, and those that fail don't have that girlfriend so they cannot be bothered. :lol:

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I imagine a lot of guys would see it as a red flag they may have their head/feelings played with more if they stay with said girlfriend.


Red flag? Not at all. It's a way to show how you reason about relationships. It shows you won't jump on to the next one just because somebody prettier / smarter comes along. Also, people that do these tests are likely to not do this themselves, so even for the guy it has benefits as he knows his potential gf will not jump to a new guy that is richer / higher status / prettier or whatever if one comes along.

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Also what if:
a. you don't have a 'hot' friend
b. you are the hot friend
c. you have no female friends
d. none of your female friends are willing


Use Facebook or some other social media.



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29 Sep 2015, 2:26 am

rdos wrote:
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rdos is talking as if the guy has to be sexually loyal for a crush who isn't his girlfriend yet and might never be; that's crazy talk.


I'm loyal in every way to a crush. Not by choice either.

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
There's nothing wrong if he desires the crush's hot friend if the latter offers the opportunity, so this test is lame.


You don't think there is something wrong with it, but I find everything wrong with it and there are no valid excuses.


No valid excuse for what exactly? If I was intrested in a guy or thought they were 'hot' and fancied the idea of going out with them....but they did not show interest and another guy I find desirable comes along and expresses interest then I'd likely give them a chance since the other one may never be anyways. Not to mention once I found out it was just a big trick I'd just be upset....I imagine guys who have this done to them might be upset about it to even if they play it off. A guy or girl does not have any obligations to 'crushes' or people they would like to date if given the opportunity...that is ridiculous.


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29 Sep 2015, 2:41 am

rdos wrote:
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Also though I imagine a guy might be kind of bothered if he found out his girlfriend initially tried to trick him to fall for a 'friend' or acquaintance acting interested and flirting.


People that pass it will not be bothered, and those that fail don't have that girlfriend so they cannot be bothered. :lol:

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I imagine a lot of guys would see it as a red flag they may have their head/feelings played with more if they stay with said girlfriend.


Red flag? Not at all. It's a way to show how you reason about relationships. It shows you won't jump on to the next one just because somebody prettier / smarter comes along. Also, people that do these tests are likely to not do this themselves, so even for the guy it has benefits as he knows his potential gf will not jump to a new guy that is richer / higher status / prettier or whatever if one comes along.

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Also what if:
a. you don't have a 'hot' friend
b. you are the hot friend
c. you have no female friends
d. none of your female friends are willing


Use Facebook or some other social media.


You don't think a guy who doesn't 'pass the test' would be upset when they realize it was just their crushes friend/acquaintance leading them on?

Also your method doesn't actually show if a guy would leave their significant other for someone prettier or whatever...A guy giving a girl that expresses interest other than his crush is hardly evidence he'd leave his girlfriend for someone hotter. A lot of people realize a crush isn't the same as a relationship...you can't cheat on a crush, dating women who aren't your crush is not evidence you'd just drop a significant other for someone 'hotter'.

Also maybe the girlfriend who does this to her potential dates wont leave him for a richer guy....but then again she may not leave him for any reason even if he decides to break it off. I mean I imagine one willing to do this test may generally put whatever guy does pass under the microscope and maybe have other so called tests of character up their sleeves to randomly mess with them.

Not to mention as I said that is a good way to get banned from facebook or other social networking sites.


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29 Sep 2015, 2:51 am

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No valid excuse for what exactly?


For going after several people at the same time.

Sweetleaf wrote:
If I was intrested in a guy or thought they were 'hot' and fancied the idea of going out with them....but they did not show interest and another guy I find desirable comes along and expresses interest then I'd likely give them a chance since the other one may never be anyways.


Yes, but the scenario is that some guy claims to be your admirer, and possibly has a crush on you. You may have encouraged him by sending signals of mutual interest. In that situation you decide to check his intentions and get answers to: Is he playing with you? Are you compatible? Is he only after you for sex?

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Not to mention once I found out it was just a big trick I'd just be upset....I imagine guys who have this done to them might be upset about it to even if they play it off. A guy or girl does not have any obligations to 'crushes' or people they would like to date if given the opportunity...that is ridiculous.


It's not an obligation. It's a natural (neurodiverse) preference to only be able to fancy one girl / guy at a time.